r/ARC_Raiders • u/PokemonProject • 4d ago
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u/MossadEpstein 4d ago
Lol of course it's a free kit rat with a stitcher
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u/GaptistePlayer 20h ago
Next time don't get downed so you can fight back. Not sure why this is something to get upset over... the point of the game is, you know, don't get blown up by arc because if you do you are a slow-moving loot locker. You kind of learn this on Day 1.
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u/doodicalisaacs 3d ago
god this community is so fucking lame
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u/MossadEpstein 3d ago
The community? I mean surely you should have realised by now that human nature itself is the root of all issues lol
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u/Owen872r 3d ago
Brother it’s a video game, if there were no “issues” then it’s just boring
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u/MossadEpstein 3d ago
I for one consider playing against people who need to use ESP, Wallhacks and aimbots to be the ultimate boredom, it immediately makes me want to stop playing when I run into them, which happens all the time now, hence why i don't really bother with trying to play this game anymore.
btw that wasn't me who downvoted you, just in case you thought it was.
obviously I'm not expecting perfection from any video game and yes, it probably would be boring if it was perfect.
... I just want to not be forced to play against cheating little bitches because the matchmaking thinks I deserve to be put in lobbies with them and also regularly be put up against trios and duos as a solo player for some reason.
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u/Owen872r 3d ago
When the fuck did I ever bring up cheating? The post is about rats killing at extract, which is why I put quotes around “issues” since it’s just a part of the game. But yeah let’s move the goalposts
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u/MossadEpstein 3d ago
... you, in continuation from my own comment which points out that human nature causes all the issues that the game industry faces used the broad term of "issues" in relation to this game and its biggest issue is without a shadow of a doubt the plague of cheaters... but sure, pretend my comment is not valid for some arbitrary bullshit reason, I really couldn't care less
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u/TrickAlps 2d ago
Yes cheating sucks but I dont see any problem in the video its just a normal players interaction with no cheat involved
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u/MossadEpstein 2d ago
I am not talking about the video there's obviously no cheats there... though if there is, then wow that guy is bad at cheating
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 3d ago
Dude…I think that’s an actual “arc baby” attitude.
Please, be honest with yourself, doesn’t the tutorial literally contain this almost identical scenario?
The Opp wasn’t racist, or bigoted, or even rude on a personal level. They just didn’t spare the POV raider. Which is 100000% Amoral, nowhere close to IMmoral.
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u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 3d ago
In the tutorial are you the one gunning down someone or are you being gunned down? Does the game present it as a good thing?
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 3d ago
Here’s the part that makes me enemy of the PvP AND PvE crowds: it doesn’t matter.
If it’s in the game, and part of the presented systems, IT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT’S ALLOWED.
Bigotry, personal insults, and general toxicity is NOT inherent to the game, and thus, ACTUALLY rude/harmful/personal.
To answer your (meaningless) question, it can be both. You can knock the NPC on the roof before it happens automatically, AND you get gunned down and robbed.
WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED TO OP.
Within scope of game = no big deal.
Within scope of game ≠ moral or immoral
It’s completely beside the point if it’s presented as good or bad; it’s part of the game. THIS IS NOT HARD TO GRASP.15
u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 3d ago edited 2d ago
Do you often spend time giving multi-paragraph responses to questions you claim are meaningless? You should really respect your own time more.
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u/half-giant 3d ago
I regularly see them posting on this sub and every comment is more insufferable than the last lmao
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u/CaseLazy5595 2d ago
Just because you have no response to their reasonable take doesn’t mean you ATH, just admit you have no response
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 3d ago
Damn, fuck me for still trying to do you the service of answering a question you asked.
Really, thank you for purposefully missing the point, you almost introspected for a moment. Close one!
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u/likeHeckYouKnowMe 3d ago
Fuck u, indeed!
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u/StormyKnight63 3d ago
I'm starting to think AR is a behavioral assessment to check the moral temperature of society.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
What’s your assessment of people who get upset at descriptions of objective reality? Or do you only apply that to people you personally disagree with?
Me: “the game instructs you in the first 5 minutes that killing others and dying to others is to be expected”
Manbabies: “UMMM IS THAT NICE??? NOT NICE = NOT PLAYING THE GAME RIGHT”
Again, this is not a defense of bigotry or verbal harassment in-game. I’m simply saying that playing the game as you’re instructed to play it is unproblematic. Which is a normal thing to fucking say, lmfao.
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 3d ago
But that doesn't mean anyone has to like it! This is such a stupid argument. "They made the game this way, it's allowed". Yeah and no one wants to play it... people don't want to invest hours and effort into something that other players intentionally exploit
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u/Wattabadmon 3d ago
Lol exploit?
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 3d ago
Did you want a response to that? I can give you the definition of the word if you'd like
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
The irony, my god:
You’re right, people don’t have to like things, like in this case, you and DOZENS of others (silent majority, or LOUD minority?) DONT LIKE getting shot in a game where you get shot.
That’s okay. You don’t have to like it.
But you DO have to acknowledge that it’s a fundamental aspect of the game. Don’t want to deal with it? Play a different game like Helldivers. Don’t wanna do that? Well, you don’t have to NOT bitch about meaningless shit, but it DOES make your words hollow and vapid.
Encouraged by game = ALLOWED IN GAME.
This is like complaining that you can lose in Tetris. Ridiculous.
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 2d ago
You know what I think? I think you're defensive that you embraced the chaos of PvP, and no one liked you for it. Every time you killed someone who played the game different than you, they were vocally pissed at you for it. Nobody told you it's against the rules. They told you they don't like it. And now you try to prove why it was allowed every time someone says they don't want to play it.
This game embraced music, defibs, and friendly support of other raiders. It also embraced the risk of hostile players. Most of us fell in love with the friendly side of it, and quickly realized that this game couldn't be both. You're queuing up your generic arguments about me not having to play it, when my point is that I'm not. All I'm sharing is why. Which is the same reason Arc raiders has lost 85% of its player count, and that you also clearly harbor feeling responsible for. We're not saying you broke the rules by taking advantage of people. We're just saying that you took advantage of an aspect of a game that you knew most people didn't like, and that same aspect is why we left.
In real life, I have free will. But I wouldn't use that free will to take advantage of people just because I can. Arc Raiders gave me another outlet to be who I am in real life. I loved making friends and had more fun than I have in any other game by helping players and playing alongside them. You actively opposing that was an allowable choice, that brought an outcome that didn't work for the game. And that is on the game not on you.
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u/MossadEpstein 3d ago
I mean, you could argue that the universe doesn't prevent you from murdering people in real life so technically that makes it ok as well.
obviously the moral complexities of killing people in real life over a video game are... vastly different ... but at it's core it comes down to self control and rats don't seem to have much of that in this game.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
“I shall insert myself into this discussion by not addressing any part of the point being made”
Cool, if you’re done with that, the point wasn’t “can technically do whatever one wants if physically possible”. That’s a useless statement (and one you’d RATHER argue against since it’s much easier; that’s a strawman!)
My point was exactly what I said the first time. If it’s encouraged by the game, it’s allowed. Such an insane benign, obvious conclusion to come to. Which is why bigotry/racism/verbal harassment is NOT to be tolerated; it is NOT encouraged by the game.
I think most of y’all would be far happier playing Helldivers if occasional PvP triggers you this much. I’m mainly PvE and don’t love losing my stuff, but this is insane.
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u/spkincaid13 3d ago
So you think it's fine and dandy to load in with flame weapons to team kill to take your team mate's loot?
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
What in the fucking drugs!??
When did I say ANYTHING that implies that:
> That is something encouraged by the game
> That I participate or support such behavior
OBVIOUSLY, nowhere. Why the fuck are you trying to so hard to not learn anything? Would you like to respond to anything I DID say or do you prefer conversing with imaginary people?
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u/Forgotten_Pancakes2 3d ago
The game doesn't know what it wants to be. They also created trials, arc that can mostly only be defeated with other players, and defibs. The fact that you can spend 30 minutes working on said trials and peacefully be at an extract and someone just kills you cause you were there, and then says "it's a PvP game bro"... is not fun.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
I agree.
But that is an ENTIRELY separate conversation.
“Allowed and encouraged by game”
Is not the same as
“Acting courteously and altruistically”
Yes, the latter is good, but failing to meet that standard (IN A FUCKING VIDEOGAME!!!) does NOT warrant harassment, bullying, and claims of immorality. That’s insane to do. No, that doesn’t mean bigotry is okay, and should be tolerated, cuz game. That’s not my point.
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u/kingbollie_1 2d ago
there are no arc that require other players to help defeat. every boss in this game is easy to solo. and they were obvioualy not designed for the whole lobby to team up against them based on how little loot they drop
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
Did you forget to read the comment you responded to? 100% unrelated to my point.
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago
I directly responded to your claims of morality being tied to the actions in the video.
My man, if you’re teaching that attitude to your kid, it is unlikely that they possess better morals than OP. “I baselessly assert your words to be irrelevant so I shall mock you” Apples and falling from trees and all that. Lol.
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u/moonpathlesstraveled 15h ago
That’s your attitude towards their 15 year old being a nice player? Tf?
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 14h ago
No, that’s my attitude towards someone acting as though playing a video game as it was intended to be played is has any morality attributed to it at all, and then further insulting the OP.
Are you pretending to be dumb and pretending to be unable to comprehend this obvious point or are you actually dumb and actually unable to comprehend this obvious point?
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u/Cool-Peak2553 2d ago
So this post is just here to do what exactly? Gain PvE players support?
Nothing wrong in this clip btw, someone caught you downed at the extraction and decided to kill you. Good for him, unlucky for you.
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u/Evilresident64 2d ago
If I get downed by some opportunist taking advantage of the fact my dumbass got downed by arc or fall damage, I just say enjoy the good loot that I had.
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u/Salty-Economics-3360 15h ago
Think it’s time I leave this sub. I’m here for a pvp game to build up my stash and the comments are full of tree huggers whining and complaining, mass downvoting anyone who says that this is what the game is actually about and to get used to it. You guys fr should go play animal crossing if you want to hold hands and sing kumbaya around the campfire
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u/jeremypolk86 5h ago
I don't disagree with you but I don't think animal crossing is really multi-player 😂 there are some good pve games though
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u/viktorVHS 3d ago
I really don't understand what joy do you get from gunning down a downd player at the extract. Is that satisfying in any way? Does it make your peepee hard? I genuinely don't understand
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u/Wattabadmon 3d ago
Free loot
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u/RaGe0rge 3d ago
All the loot in the game is free, isn't it? Not only that, it's so easy to find.
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u/briancmoses 3d ago
None of the loot in the game is free.
It requires effort, materials, and/or <insert form of in game currency here> to obtain that loot.
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u/RaGe0rge 3d ago
The guy I'm replying to said killing someone who is down at extract is 'free loot'. Obviously anything you do takes effort... Maybe I should have explained what I meant exactly by free.
What I meant was, finding loot is just as 'free' as knocking down a defenseless raider.
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u/briancmoses 3d ago
Downing a raider at an extract is a much more compelling decision then running around the map for up to 30 minutes hoping you find something equivalent to what was on that raider's. Especially right there at the extract.
It's quite a bit closer to "free" than anything that might be in a container in the map.
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u/MossadEpstein 3d ago
you seem to be ignoring that they need to spend entire rounds doing nothing to get put back into lobbies with easy targets at extraction points, otherwise they end up getting extract camped themselves by far more aggressive PvP aimbotters
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u/GaptistePlayer 20h ago
I know this is hard for carebears to understand but the majority of the people in the game don't see PVP or ABMM-aggressive lobbies as something to avoid at all costs or even a punishment at all
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u/RaGe0rge 3d ago
Semantics, my man. I enjoy playing the game. I don't enjoy killing raiders. Let's leave it at that.
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u/TrickAlps 2d ago
Play however you want as long as you have fun
If you dont enjoy killing other raiders dont do it
If you enjoy killing other raider, do it
Just have fun
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u/GaptistePlayer 20h ago
Nothing is easier than a crawling loot locker at extract guaranteed to have 2 upgraded guns, an augment, health items, shield rechargers, ammo and other loot.
If you have a problem with that, don't get downed
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u/RaGe0rge 18h ago
You play the game how you want to and I'll do the same ✌️
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u/GaptistePlayer 18h ago
You're the one complaining about how other people would dare to loot a downed player in an extraction shooter lol. Tell this to yourself. Let's just be honest, it's not a real sentiment you have. If it was you wouldn't be whining
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u/RaGe0rge 18h ago
I'm not complaining, nor am I whining. Read what I said again. I just stated how I play.
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u/GaptistePlayer 17h ago
All the loot in the game is free, isn't it? Not only that, it's so easy to find.
This is you whining that someone would choose to just shoot and loot you instead of go on a quest to find loot because they think shooting someone in a video game should be illegal lol
If you weren't afraid of PVP you wouldn't share this dumbass thought
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u/RaGe0rge 16h ago
I'm sorry that you're having a bad day. I hope it gets better. If you're this upset about what I said, that's your problem.
Again. I have not whined or complained with anything I've said. You are angry and hateful, and I feel sorry you. ✌️ Brother.
If you have any type of emotional regulation or self restraint you'll stop arguing now. Have a good rest of your day.
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u/GaptistePlayer 16h ago
I'm not the one complaining about PVP in the game in someone else's video, hope this helps :)
Maybe take that emotional regulation you claim to have and stop getting upset by the fact that PVP exists in a PVP extraction shooter. Or go play another game with no PVP.
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u/Wattabadmon 3d ago
Is it?
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u/RaGe0rge 3d ago
Isn't it?
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u/Square-Main-1261 3d ago
No but u get loot
And if i didnt know looting is main part of this game and because its a game with PvP means u can loot othersi know it sounds very confusing but thats the deal
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u/viktorVHS 3d ago
Then I guess I'm too empatic. If I see someone in that situation all I think about is helping them extract cause that's what I would like someone else to do if I was the downed player. I don't understand why THIS is so hard to grasp for people like you
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u/Square-Main-1261 3d ago
cause i dont care if i die too?
Its the Game and thats why i love this sort of gamesThese are just pixels and its easy to farm them so why should i be unhappy if i die?
Its the game, if i didnt like it i move on to another game
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u/TrickAlps 2d ago
Bro just play the game how you want to play, me I prefer pvp and that's ok if you prefer pve it's fine too
Play however you want as long as you have fun that's the point
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u/Key_Personality2034 3d ago
-Could be a newer player learning the game/ mechanics.
-Could be someone wanting to get into more aggressive lobbies.
-Could be someone who loaded in late and decided that's the best way to make the round beneficial.
-Could be someone who just had this happen to them, and they're paying it forward.
At the end of the day, it's within the scope of the game. The tension pvp brings is what makes this game.
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u/viktorVHS 3d ago
Yeh it could be a number of things if you think about it. But reading this sbreddit makes me believe there are just people who get off to this type of power situations
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u/Alternative-Doubt769 1d ago
💯 but the ones getting off will never admit it: see posts below. “It’s just a game brother. It’s just pixels lad.” Ok bro, pick up my pixels then
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u/Poopidyscoopp 2d ago
mate it's a video game, it's funny. the dead raider could have good gear. that's the point of the game. cry more or go play something else
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u/Miserable_District 3d ago
This is one of the reasons I stopped playing.
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u/Ok-Step-7323 3d ago
Here’s the problem with PvE mode. If you use a Wolfpack grenade on a Rocketeer and another raider comes up and starts looting your kill, you have no way of stopping him.
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u/Miserable_District 3d ago
Hadn't given it much thought honestly... that would be an issue.
Maybe have us work towards a common goal rather than against eachother, like the harvester but bigger, idk.
I don't hate the PvP aspect, found it fun until I didn't, guess I just couldn't hack it (thinking about it now, it's probably just the ratting I have an issue with)
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u/exo_ac 3d ago
There is a way: no other players in PvE mode at all.
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u/Specific_Stick8870 3d ago
Oh so now the PvPvE game should not only remove the pvp but also all your teammates for the pve. Makes perf….. no go play a different game atp
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u/exo_ac 3d ago edited 3d ago
EFT did it. AR can do it as well since people want a PvE only mode so much. I honestly dgaf about it at all. I switch between PvP and PvE whenever I feel like it. I got shot in the back because I thought the guy is friendly cuz he was acting like friendly? I switch to full PvP, no problem. And vice versa whenever I see some actually friendly players.
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u/GaptistePlayer 20h ago
Carebears will never stop until they have the easiest drawer opener simulator ever
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u/ugh1921 3d ago
There's only 12 players left. Can't fracture them further
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u/No-Impress-1116 2d ago
Well I'm definitely returning to the game if they add a PvE mode, I know that I'm soft and lame and etc. But I genuinely enjoy the PvE loop and the coop elements way more than the PvP side of the game
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u/exo_ac 3d ago edited 3d ago
Unpredictability is one of the reasons I started playing, just like it happened with EFT.
By the way, EFT does have a PvE only mode with bots, no players at all, but I never in 6 years of play saw that much of "I stopped playing PvPvE game because of PvP" comments.
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u/KSascia_lv 3d ago
It's not unoredictability being shot in the back by a noob as you fight robots check your morals
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u/oxedei 3d ago
You stopped playing because the PvPvE extraction game you bought has PvP in it? Do you understand how stupid you sound?
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u/Crocdor 3d ago
Can't wait for this sub to tell you that you just played bad and are the reason why they will continue just mowing down people at extract
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u/GaptistePlayer 20h ago
It's correct though. Don't want to be defenseless at extract? Don't get downed by Arc.
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u/BigOlDyck 1d ago
Yeah I prefer defibing people like that. Idk call be whatever ya want, I prefer to earn it. Nothing beats a real 1v1. Not some opportunity kill at a lift. But that’s me
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u/moonpathlesstraveled 15h ago
Yup the other day on damn I saw a flare go up fighting the queen so I went to help. First time I revived him Queen smashed him again so we were communicating about him crawling out of the way and coming towards me (we were at that power station area). Out of nowhere some rat comes and knocks me and kills me. I befriended the one I was helping but oh my god I quit after that haha
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u/SimilarVacation6029 3d ago
If the world goes to shit, humanity falls, we all know who will hunt humans instead of the common enemy.
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u/IDkayI 2d ago
This comment section says so much about the current community, guy did nothing wrong it is a PvPvE game where killing other raiders is part of it, there is no raider etiquette or expectation of friendliness. If you don't like that you are going to get killed sometimes maybe DONT get the game that has PvP in it.
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u/PianistConfident1284 3d ago
What do the people in these comments expect? This is human nature playing out. Sure, this guy took an easy kill, I wouldn't really call that PVP more than I'd call it a kick in the balls, but some players are opportunistic.
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u/Actual-Swan-1917 3d ago
Everyone stopped playing this game because it got turned into a moral grand standing contest.
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u/Revolutionary_Pop544 3d ago
I couldn’t ever understand people whining about dying in the pvp extraction game.
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u/TrickAlps 2d ago
they are pathetic
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u/Revolutionary_Pop544 2d ago
Imagine id be playing cs and then just whining on the Reddit why wouldn’t they let me plant the bomb and get the $$$ 🤣
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u/RJBurner17 2d ago
Its just stinks sometimes, and bothers people based on the way they play the game. Im sure OP is back topside.
We have all wanted to vent about something similar. Funny thing is I had this happen recently in my care bear lobby, losing a dolabra to some free kit as I was about to exfil, but 3 raids later i come across a dead raider on my way to the matriarch with a dolabra + hullcrack 4 + Anvil 4. The game giveth and taketh away.
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u/GaptistePlayer 20h ago
Of course it stinks, it's supposed to. That's what extraction shooters are.
Next time don't get downed by arc next to the exfil which is the most PVP-centric spot in the game lol
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u/Worth_Bend1435 4d ago
I would've done the same thing.
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u/The_Green_King_ 3d ago
Btw this you 👀 idk who you guys are but you all need to play a different game for a while...
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u/Electronic_Western24 3d ago
Both is fair, there is a reason why he has a free loadout tho. Losing to much in pvp
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u/Electronic_Western24 3d ago
Uhh putting his actions on me as an argument how original, i play far worse and better than that myself. Its about the choice that makes it fun~ Being like "This makes you a bad person irl" is just stupid same argument like "We should charge people for ingame crimes"
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u/Poopidyscoopp 2d ago
there will never be a pve mode because then you can just grind pve for the best loot and then dominate in pvp + most people would bring in the same optimized but shitty loadout .
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u/RaGe0rge 4d ago
I get that it's just a game, and call me soft if you want, but my instinct when I see a downed raider is to defib them.