r/BadReads 14d ago

Reddit Call from inside the sub

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

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u/UnoriginalTitleNo998 11d ago

I watched a video essay about how young actresses who play roles like this end up getting typecast and treated like they're actually the characters instead of children. Real fucked up stuff the film and entertainment industry does.

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u/sapphos_moon 11d ago

Was it the one by Yhara zayd by any chance ?

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u/UnoriginalTitleNo998 11d ago

It was!!! I had completely forgotten so I'm glad you knew what I was talking about!

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u/EldritchTouched 10d ago

The abusive shitshow with the original Lolita adaptation from 1962 also comes to mind.

The producer, James B. Harris, likely raped Sue Lyons#Controversy) (Dolores's actress). Kubrick picked her for Dolores because she had bigger breasts and that it'd make her look older. She was thirteen when she was cast, and fourteen during the film's shooting. The film also does stuff with the framing of shots and clothing that are intended to make her look older, too.

Due to Hays Code bullshit, there was apparently serious talk about ending it with Humbert Humbert getting married to Dolores in a state that allowed child marriage, because of the weird logic of how censorship codes work. (It's also why Dolores is aged up a bit; "actually, it's ephebophilia" was apparently in play with the Code.) They decided against the marriage, at least.

And then there's the further issues with how Lyons was treated in relation to the media, including Harris and Kubrick curating a persona for her as the "Lolita image."

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u/TurbulentChemistry22 8d ago

Dominique had in fact just turned 17 upon release. This is easily verifiable. Born August 1980, film released Sept 1997

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u/StevenMarx21 7d ago

If someone describes lolita as great and tragic love story, that would be concerning

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u/Fit_Cheesecake_4000 11d ago

18 in many countries is an adult, though. That may not be the case in the U.S.A., but the film isn't solely released in the U.S.

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u/Fit_Cheesecake_4000 11d ago

And?

You said they were talking about 'the hot sexy young star of the film'.

Films generally come out a year or so after filming. By the time the media was talking about *the star* (not *the character*), they would have been focused on someone who would have been older at that point.

If she'd been 15 or 16 at the time the media was talking about her, I'd agree with you. But it's not unheard of for both men and women to look at someone in their very late teens or early 20s and say, 'Wow, she's gorgeous'.

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u/maiqs- 10d ago

the scenes are still depicting a minor regardless of whether she eventually aged wym "and?"

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u/Fit_Cheesecake_4000 10d ago

They media are talking about the actress (who had aged), not he character.

The film or book depicts a minor; the commentary is about the actress, who is now older.

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u/maiqs- 10d ago

im talking about the actress bro

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u/maiqs- 10d ago

u said that "they would have been focused on someone who would have been older at that point," disregarding the fact that the scenes theyre focusing on are depicting the actress while shes a minor. yes she aged but that doesnt magically age her up in those scenes as well

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u/Fit_Cheesecake_4000 10d ago

The media aren't focused on the scenes. Read the person's comments above: the media were focused on the actress, they weren't saying the character was 'hot'.

So the actress's age is directly relevant, and she would have been older once the film came out.

Bro.

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u/maiqs- 10d ago

theyre calling the actress fit. she was underage in the scenes that they found her fit in. dont act thick

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u/TurbulentChemistry22 8d ago edited 8d ago

She was still very much under 18 after the film released, you creep.

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u/TurbulentChemistry22 8d ago

She literally wasn’t 18 regardless