They have light, space to move around, and the ability to be chickens. That's better than 90% of the farmed animals in the world. I think it's okay to acknowledge that there are some ways that are better than others to farm animals, and this is one of them.
I think some people will never see anything besides "abuse" when it comes to having animals. I have pet chickens and treat them very well, and I can't really think of much better than the setup in this video.
So am I abusing corn by picking its babies, throwing them into boiling water, covering them in butter and salt, eating them, and then pooping them out whole?
Or do we not count plants even though they are also living things?
We do need to eat something. We don't need to eat animals.
Also if plant suffering is what you care about raising animals involves killing much more plants than eating the plants directly so your dumb ass doesn't have an argument either way.
Your argument is not logical at all. You don’t need to eat animals. You must eat something, you might eat plants. Also, in order to feed animals, you need to farm and „kill” plants. Ergo, the least cruel thing to do is remove the animals from the equation, and only sustain on plants. Additionally, from what we know, plants don’t feel pain and fear, opposed to animals. As such, again, it’s best to eat plants. Your arguments are lacking.
That's your point of view, and you are completely entitled to it. It is just not by many, myself included. We do lots of things to other humans that we wouldn't do to ourselves, to animals that we wouldn't do to ourselves, and to the environment that we wouldn't do to ourselves.
I think the best we can hope for, is treating others, animals included in an ethical way, but most importantly, people actually knowing where their food comes from. Already in this thread, you see people not knowing how much of the world's poultry comes from industrial chicken farms, with chickens living in abysmal conditions. If people aren't educated on this, they won't know to demand change and better conditions.
In some countries, they have stopped using fast-bred chickens and caged chicken eggs completely, as this is affecting EVERY single chicken; it is having a tremendous ethical effect. We need more of that, to raise the bottom.
Humans decide what their needs are. It has nothing to do with slaves. If you can't tell the difference between the needs of a chicken, cat, dog, child, adult, etc. then please stay far away from caring for any animals or children. I happen to know the difference, so I am able to responsibility raise humans and animals. It's upsetting that people raise animals for food, but they serve a purpose and can be treated well along the journey. The chickens in this video are well taken care of no matter how much you disagree with their purpose.
The argument, I think, is saying that they have a great life is false. Sure, their life’s are great compared to an unbelievably heartbreaking life, but it’s not a good life per se, because it is cut extremely short. And that’s not talking about male chicks.
What would make a great life for a chicken? This gives them exercise, fresh food, enough space to comfortably move around, other chickens to "socialize" with. I'm really not sure what else you expect a chicken to have.
I can't find anything specific about whether Pasturebird culls male chicks, but they seem to have overall ethical processes in place, especially compared to industrial farms.
As far as letting the chickens live longer than 24 weeks, you're essentially saying they shouldn't be used for quality meat. Which is fine if you feel that way, but we have different opinions there. The phrase is "great life" not "long life". I do hope Pasturebird does not cull male chicks though, Google said they don't but again, I couldn't find anywhere it actually said that.
I'm not saying a single thing whether they should or should not be used for meat. I'm saying that, we can even say objectively speaking, living a great life includes not being killed off at a very young age.
I disagree, because these are livestock chickens being raised for their meat; they're not going to live long so that's not really part of the consideration when discussing their quality of life imho. That's why I mentioned them not being used for meat, because a long life isn't on the table here unless they aren't being used for meat. For livestock, this is a great life.
Yes and people having indoor cats is also animal abuse then? Oh but wait if you let cats outdoor that’s abuse of small prey, so I guess all cats are animal abuse
Lots of people who actually own chickens have commented on this thread saying this is a good set up
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u/FlyingKittyCate 6d ago
No, they have a less awful life. Pedantic, I know. But nothing about these chickens lives is great.