r/Infuriating Community Regular 2d ago

We live in hell

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

Victimless crime, of course it should be legal.

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u/voxjammer 2d ago

ai doesn't generate things from thin air. for a learning model to generate something, it had to have something to train off of. not a victimless crime whatsoever.

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u/The-King-of-Cartoons 2d ago

I sincerely doubt CSAM has been used in training AI

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u/Appropriate_Elk_952 2d ago

A brief google search may change your mind.

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u/fatgat69 2d ago

How the fuck else would it make it?

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u/Pretend_Fly_5573 2d ago

It's weird how people can be THIS ignorant about something...

Y'all act like children are some weird other species which a computer model trained on millions of images of people cannot possibly recreate.

It really isn't that hard...

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u/CatDawgCatDawg2 2d ago

That's not how generative AI works lol. You don't need to a photo of a teal unicorn shitting rainbow pancakes into the mouth of a grey slug giving birth to twin gerbils for it to generate that image.

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

Also doesnt mean it was trained with children.

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u/fatgat69 2d ago

Wrong

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

True.

It could be trained on drawings of children, it could also be directed to make them small adults etc, or be trained on real adults that look like children.

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

Its not, you think just anyone can afford to generate these models? Very few companies can, and therefore easy to police training data.

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u/Lopsided-Cycle-4798 Community Regular 2d ago

Sir this is encouraging abuse, it should not be legal 💀

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u/intothewoods76 2d ago

Make that argument for anything else. Would you argue the depiction of robbery in movies should be outlawed because it encourages robbery?

Do you argue that violence depicted in video games encourages violence?

Do you argue that rap songs depicting gang behavior encourages gang behavior?

Do you recognize even if you do clearly society as a whole does not because they allow all of these other depictions to occur under first amendment protection.

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u/Lopsided-Cycle-4798 Community Regular 2d ago

I know this argument, I seen people say this all the time. Idk why you are depending this, sexual abuse is no the same as robbery

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u/intothewoods76 1d ago

True, so you feel sexual abuse portrayed in movie and songs, video games etc should all be banned? What about porn in general where a large number of people can be coerced out of desperation? Do you argue that should all be banned?

Do you favor laws attempting to protect children from being exposed to pornography in the Internet?

Certainly if you argue fake children need to be protected you also argue real children need to be protected.

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u/Lopsided-Cycle-4798 Community Regular 1d ago edited 1d ago

I get what you're saying, tbh I didnt know there's sexual abuse in games, yk they had been banned before so.

I'm not saying protect fake people, im saying that this behavior specifically has no need to be encouraged.

My point is why this stuff is seemed okay in society in the first place. Why are we portraying this with Ai? Ai doesn't make it up, someone had to train it.

Edit: Ai was a mistake 💀

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

Citation needed.

Does playing violent video games encourage school shootings?

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u/Lopsided-Cycle-4798 Community Regular 2d ago

Idk do they? Shooting games are normal. Having sexual abuse as entertainment is not...

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

Shooting games are normal. 

Lol, virtual murder is ok, but virtual child abuse is bad.

Make that make sense.

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u/Lopsided-Cycle-4798 Community Regular 2d ago

No, okay I meant like "shooting games" like call of duty, I forgot gta 6 exists

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u/DistinctSpirit5801 1d ago

It’s an arbitrary line it makes zero sense to say a fictional depiction of murdering people is legal and a fiction depiction of rape is illegal

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u/Lopsided-Cycle-4798 Community Regular 1d ago

Never said that murdering was legal

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u/intothewoods76 2d ago

This is what it falls back on, either we acknowledge that depiction of crime causes crime or we don’t. But it’s illogical to argue some does and some doesn’t.

Imagine a world with no allowed depiction of crime. Movies are going to become extremely boring. It’s all hallmark movies from here on out.

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

You dont need to use images of children to train data that will generate children

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

No you don't, you could use CGI models or drawings of children, you dont need photographs.

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u/Impressive-Mud5074 2d ago

That's the issue you should be fighting for then, not to ban something without victims.