They also have this astonishing amnesia that this World War was actually a World War, not just a European war, and that the Soviets declined to participate at all in the Asian Theater, where with a nod to China, Britain, ANZACs, Filipinos, Gurkhas, etc., the US largely had to fight and defeat Japan all by itself, all the while supporting the European Western Front and providing literally two-thirds of all Allied war materials.
Yeah, and whether or not the Soviets could have won without Lend Lease doesn't really matter when they definitely couldn't have won if the Axis had complete domination over the oceans, as would have been the case without the US or UK
Yeah, what I’m saying is that probably wouldn’t have happened if the Nazis had been able to freely import raw materials from anywhere in the world throughout the entire war
It goes beyond this, though - absent the US and British navies, the Germans would've been free to sail right up into the Black Sea and invade the Soviet soft underbelly in Crimea and the Ukraine, not too far from Moscow, and the Soviets trying to repel that invasion along with the rest of the Eastern Front would've been hopeless. Not a chance in hell the Soviets would've captured Berlin in this circumstance.
August, 1945, AFTER the bombing of Hiroshima and when every Japanese city, and the entire Japanese military, was one vast smoking ruin. Everyone knew the war was over; the Soviets swooped in to grab up the spoils.
the Soviets declined to participate at all in the Asian Theater
the Soviet Union declared war on Japan in July, 1945 and invaded and liberated Manchuria
the US largely had to fight and defeat Japan all by itself
the United States did not actually initiate combat operations against Germany until June, 1944, fully three years after the Soviets had begun fighting them "all by themselves"
providing literally two-thirds of all Allied war materials
the vast, vast majority of this materiel was used by US and UK forces, not Soviet forces
The first large scale American operation against Germany was Operation Torch in November 1942. The Soviet Union didn't enter the Pacific Theater until the Japanese military had been almost destroyed, and they did it to conquer territory, not liberate it. Their invasion of Manchuria was much less consequential to the outcome of the war than their invasion of Poland on the Axis side at the start of the war.
Please again. Truth is not a matter of pride or opinion.
Japan surrendered to the USA not because you fought well (which you did) or because you nuked them twice.
They surrendered to you because the USSR forces were at their door, and YOU promised to maintain the emperor if they admitted defeat to you specifically.
A Japanese never surrenders, this was their leitmotiv. Remember the Japanese soldiers who continued fighting even after reddition.
Truth is also not a matter of laughable Soviet/Russian propaganda, which you're parroting here. Hahahaha, yes it was a fear of the SOVIETS that caused Japanese capitulation, not the Atomic bombs, not the American firebombings that devastated EVERY major Japanese city, not the 4 years of constant defeats and the utter annihilation of their navy and land forces across the entire Pacific Ocean . . . . it was the mighty SOVIETS who scared the Japanese . . . this is the most delusional tankie take on WWII I've ever heard.
Also, to quote from the actual surrender announcement of the Emperor of Japan:
"Furthermore, the enemy has begun to employ a new and cruel bomb, causing immense and indiscriminate destruction, the extent of which is beyond all estimation. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in the ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation..."
The atomic bomb is specifically mentioned as a major reason, perhaps THE major reason for the capitulation. The Emperor's address does not at any point mention the Soviets and the loss of Manchuria.
and that the Soviets declined to participate at all in the Asian Theater,
Well...they were kind of busy with +70 % of Germany's army against them and on their territory killing their people. Not strange that they didn't want to send forces elsewhere...
But when they decided it was time time to participate in Asian theater...well it was a bulldozer.
1.5 million square kilometers gained in two weeks in China. Something like 500 000 Japanese prisoners...
The Soviet invasion of Manchuria was in August 1945, AFTER the atomic bombings, when Japan and its military were in utter ruins and it was entirely clear, Japanese govt. propaganda to the contrary, that the war was lost. That's why the Japanese surrendered, which Japanese troops NEVER did at earlier stages of the war. It was a bulldozer because everyone knew the war was over, not because the Soviets were more formidable than the Chinese resistance, let alone the American war machine. Manchuria, like the Kuril Islands, was an attempted Soviet land-grab and theft, not a heroic effort to defeat the Japanese.
The Soviet invasion of Manchuria was in August 1945, AFTER the atomic bombings, when Japan and its military were in utter ruins
And ? The atomic bomb in Hiroshima changed absolutely nothing in the Japanese military power in Manchuria, their military presence, their equipment.
Soviet didn't fight against the population in Hiroshima, but the Japanese army present in Manchuria...
So how the bomb on civilian in Hiroshima has anything to do with the fact that the Soviet just destroyed the Japanese army in China ?
Yes they didn't intervene in Asia till then...But once again... You really expect them to intervene in Asia while their country is invaded and occupied by +70 % of the nazi's army? Seriously?
You're clearly the one who's not very bright, only barely capable of reading--I didn't claim the atomic bombings affected the fighting forces in Manchuria. In fact, these forces were already a hollow shell--almost entirely raw recruits, woefully underequipped because a) the US had already bombed the Japanese industrial capacity out of existence long before the atomic bombs were dropped, and b) all the best troops and the best equipment had been taken out of China to fight the Americans on Pacific islands. The Japanese "army" in Manchuria was an unequipped, untrained, demoralized hollow shell, and this Soviet victory was about as impressive as their tag-team invasion of Poland with the Nazis.
Also, when the Emperor of Japan announced the surrender, he specifically mentioned the atomic bomb, a weapon that would render any further resistance futile. If fear of the big baaaaad Soviets was such a crucial factor, weird how Hirohito's speech made no mention of them whatsoever.
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u/Glum-Lake7034 9d ago edited 9d ago
They also have this astonishing amnesia that this World War was actually a World War, not just a European war, and that the Soviets declined to participate at all in the Asian Theater, where with a nod to China, Britain, ANZACs, Filipinos, Gurkhas, etc., the US largely had to fight and defeat Japan all by itself, all the while supporting the European Western Front and providing literally two-thirds of all Allied war materials.