r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire Jul 27 '26

PoliticalTea 🗳️ To put it plainly.

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u/egalitydream Jul 27 '26

The Irish genocide was before his time, but yeah, the country was basically comparable to Nazi Germany for a large part of its history.

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u/mbtrash Jul 27 '26

But he did send the Black and Tans into ireland, so while he wasn't responsible for genocide, he sure as hell was responsible for a lot of irish deaths.

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u/Datan0de Jul 28 '26

I need to spend less time drinking and more time reading history. I only knew of "Black and Tan" as Guinness and Harp.

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u/Ropes13 Jul 27 '26

Yeah I suppose you're right, more of an apartheid situation at this time

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u/debauch3ry Jul 27 '26

Technically not a genocide, given no intent.

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u/ConstructionIcy9079 Jul 27 '26

Oh there was absolutely intent. Ireland was a food exporter for the entire famine, and the British turned away foreign ships that tried to bring food for relief. The fungus that caused the famine actually hit England first, but there wasn't a famine there. The hole thing was completely preventable and was intentionally made worse by Britain's government.

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u/debauch3ry Jul 27 '26

British turned away foreign ships that tried to bring food for relief

False, no evidence of this.

Ireland was a food exporter for the entire famine

Not the design of the government. Food production was a private endeavour by the (predominantly) Anglo-Irish land owners.

The fungus that caused the famine actually hit England first, but there wasn't a famine there

England wasn't dependent on potatoes specifically. And, as above, the land owners sold where they could for the highest profit. You can blame capitalism, certainly the land owners were motivated by that.

The whole thing was completely preventable and was intentionally made worse by Britain's government

The British government was a small government (using modern terminology). It existed for business, military, and not public health, public education, etc. Trevelyan was appalling bad at his job, but did nothing with an aim to murder.

There is significant misinformation out there on this topic. His letters reveal his contempt for the Irish, although this was mainly aimed at the Anglo-Irish owners (who I guess he didn't consider Anglo) for asking for handouts whilst they sold their food abroad. The 'genocide' label is a modern revisionism and comes with stories like ships being turned away and whatnot.

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u/beerbrained Jul 28 '26

"Not the design of government"... Are you saying they didn't export food during the famine? Your little fact check seems irrelevant.

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u/debauch3ry Jul 28 '26

Correct, "they" (the government) didn't export or orchestrate food produced in Ireland. The land owners did - who were party only unto themselves.

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u/Ropes13 Jul 27 '26

"Technically not a genocide" is still a pretty tough look, though, isn't it?

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u/debauch3ry Jul 27 '26

Given that the whole label is about intent it's just the same as saying 'not a genocide'

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u/egalitydream Jul 28 '26

No, there absolutely was intent.