r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 25d ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ Eventually something has to give...

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The bill would provide a $3,000 direct payment to every person in households making $150,000 or less during its first year, which equals $12,000 for a family of four.

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u/MeanHurry8664 24d ago

The data suggested that Bernie would win over Trump, but we'll never know

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u/Albatrosity 24d ago

Bernie can't even win the Democratic nomination, let alone the presidency. The country is not ready for his vision.

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u/MeanHurry8664 24d ago

The voters are ready - the establishment isn't. I seem to remember him being the more popular nomination, then the corp. dems put Hillary up there instead. Mistake

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u/Boodleheimer2 24d ago

Some of us are old enough to remember when the Democratic Party did nominate a Bernie-like person, a smart radical with a sensible platform that would have transformed the country for the better. His name was George McGovern and he only won 17 electoral votes to Richard Nixon's 520, one of the worst presidential election defeats ever. He was squeaky clean and a war veteran but it wasn't nearly enough. This is a conservative country.

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u/ElSlabraton 24d ago

"seem to remember", lol.

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u/BasementChimp1 24d ago

I mean, he’s objectively the most popular US politician for a straight decade so…yeah, what that person said does check out

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u/americon 24d ago

How do you say he is objectively the most popular when there has been actual elections and he lost them? He objectively is not the most popular.

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u/BasementChimp1 24d ago

It’s been borne out by several polls, but especially in terms of popularity among his own constituents. Google it a bit and poke around if you don’t believe me, but I do suppose my statement was sweeping. Popularity can be sliced in a lot of different ways

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u/americon 24d ago

The issue is not his popularity in his very blue district. It’s his popularity amongst the country as a whole. There’s a reason that all the Democrat senators and governors in purple (or even red states in Beshear’s case) are not far left

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u/ElSlabraton 24d ago

"Objectively", lol. Except when Biden kicked his ass...

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u/IHatePeoplesKnees 24d ago

He’s obviously the most popular, except every time he lost the popularity contest..

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u/MeanHurry8664 24d ago

Fair do's, but I do remember there was controversy over who should be the nominee

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u/Miserable-Inside1511 24d ago

She used her influence to avoid debating him entirely. It was bad.

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u/ElSlabraton 24d ago

Biden debated Bernie and kicked his ass.

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u/kerpow69 24d ago

I do remember and that's exactly what happened.

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u/ElSlabraton 24d ago

Your memory is failing you.

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u/TheNutsMutts 24d ago

He literally lost the Primary by 3.7m votes, you don't remember exactly what happened.

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u/drecais 24d ago

Hes like a far left wing member of the parliament in my country. He always had some of the highest if not the highest approval rates.

His party never got anywhere close to winning the general election its best result was 12% lmao

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u/MeanHurry8664 24d ago

Bernie is moderate-left. There's not one radical, fringe or "far-left" policy that he stands for, it's all very basic stuff

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u/TheNutsMutts 24d ago

I seem to remember him being the more popular nomination, then the corp. dems put Hillary up there instead. Mistake

You remember incorrectly, since she got 3.7m more votes than Sanders did.

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u/BasementChimp1 24d ago

Then you weren’t paying attention to how hard they tried (and succeeded) to stop him

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u/Albatrosity 24d ago

I did not say anything about his popularity. I merely said he did not win the nomination. Regardless of his voter support over Hillary, he did not receive the nomination.

And if Bernie ever became president, he would still face a great deal of opposition in the legislative for his proposals. And he's certainly not bold (is bold the right word?) enough to start signing executive orders to tax the super wealthy (if an EO is even capable of that).

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u/a_man_and_his_box 24d ago edited 24d ago

Regardless of his voter support over Hillary, he did not receive the nomination.

Yes, but if he fails to get the nom because he's not popular enough, then obviously he's not going to win vs. Trump. HOWEVER, if he fails to get the nom because the establishment in the Democrat party was like, "Fuck no, don't let this guy lead us, sabotage his effort" and then they did that, then it's entirely possible that he was indeed popular enough to win the nom AND popular enough to win vs. Trump. The fact that the Democrat party leadership ended his run means we will never know what would have happened vs. Trump, but we cannot cite his loss to get the nom as evidence that he'd lose against Trump, because he didn't lose due to failed popularity; he lost due to the establishment undermining him so that their favored player could win even if the process was underhanded and less-than-democratic.

EDIT: citation from the lawsuit over the DNC's biased behavior to usurp Bernie and install Hilary. And citation showing Hilary literally just funneled money to the DNC to help bring the DNC to heel. The head of the DNC resigned in disgrace over this. Just some links for younger people who maybe didn't live through this, and want to see what fuckery was happening to keep Bernie from getting nominated. So whenever someone tells you "Bernie couldn't get the Democrat nomination, so he CERTAINLY couldn't win the presidency," just remember he didn't lose because he was unpopular; on the contrary, he was SO POPULAR that the DNC freaked out and sabotaged him. He could have won. We'll never know. And I think, we're worse for how it played out.

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u/Albatrosity 24d ago

The "what ifs" don't matter. He didn't get the nomination - that is the only fact that matters.

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u/PaleCommission150 24d ago

he was doing well until he hit the Southern states....african Americans generally are not big fans of Bernie, and the rest is history...much of the South is very red unfortunately. He did terrible in Atlanta for instance.

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u/newlollykiss 24d ago

The corp dems ran smear campaigns to make it seem like him running against Hillary meant he was attempting to split their demographic and guarantee Trump a win. His own turned against him. He talks about it in his book. He’s intelligent and actually understands social programs as well as how to work around our governments structure.

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u/Raeandray 24d ago

The establishment sabotaged his run at every turn. We’ve seen this again more recently. Dems fight against democratic socialists more than they fight against republicans.

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u/Moonscrubber- 24d ago

The data also suggested hillary was going to win

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u/MeanHurry8664 24d ago

You may be right

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u/uncsteve53 24d ago

The data also suggested Hillary and Kamala would win, so…

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u/Dramatic_Bench_3479 24d ago

The Data suggested that Trump would never win an election but he won twice… the Data is a liar, sometimes

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u/MeanHurry8664 24d ago

Plus, no one does cheating like the GOP - every accusation is a confession

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u/Ange1ofD4rkness 24d ago

I have said since that whole stunt happened, that I felt Sanders would have beat Trump, and only Democratic party has themselves to blame