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u/Dry-Mirror4917 Jul 31 '26
apparently people ceossing by sea were questioned (because someone wants to undersand why so many people crossed at the same time) and did not know anything about that sentence. so the mystery remains
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u/nem_erdekel Jul 31 '26
Good thing there’s no issues like this in Italy at all, they never come with boats illegally here. /s
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u/Four_beastlings Asturias (Spain) Jul 31 '26
Not on that scale? 1500-2000 people crossed the border, in Africa, and will be immediately deported. This is the first time the Spanish cities in Africa get some many African illegal immigrants since 2021.
Meanwhile Italy is receiving between 50k and 100k just in Lampedusa every year. Yeah, it's a completely different scale, but not in the direction you think.
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u/Sure-Money-8756 Jul 31 '26
They won’t be deported immediately. Spanish courts forbade that practise
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u/Four_beastlings Asturias (Spain) Jul 31 '26
Spanish courts said the instant deportations treaty didn't apply to water arrivals, so Morocco and Spain have already said they are signing a new treaty. It will get thrown out in court, but by the time that happens these people will be long deported. This has been done before, under the same government, when courts said that it was illegal to deport kids. Guess what, they deported everyone first and apologised later.
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u/that-bass-guy Jul 31 '26
important to note:
"The scheme offers a residence and work permit, initially valid for one year, to applicants who can prove that they do not have a criminal record and that they had lived in Spain for at least five months – or had sought international protection – before 31 December 2025."
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u/AppleWrench Jul 31 '26
5 months? That's it? I don't think this will do much to change anyone's minds.
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u/TheHarald16 Jul 31 '26
Does not change, that it puts the rest of the EU at risk...
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u/No-Clock5603 Jul 31 '26
What risk? They are almost all Spanish speaking people, working and living in Spain, without Schengen passport... Sounds terrific, yeah...
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u/MsXboxOne Jul 31 '26
They don't read the fine print. They just see an incredible headline and storm the borders
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u/AppleWrench Jul 31 '26
How exactly does this "fine print" supposed to change anyone's minds? It's still over 1% of the entire country with a trivial requirement of 5 months.
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u/MsXboxOne Jul 31 '26
Who cares. It was a stupid idea in the first place that even a child knew it would create a giant pull factor
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u/Dangerous-Drawing730 Jul 31 '26
That still rewards people who circumvented the process, it rewards people who felt that they didn't need to follow the rules. Why should they be rewarded at all?
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u/rytlejon Västmanland Jul 31 '26
Because you’re interested in a functioning society, not just punishing or rewarding people
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u/Dangerous-Drawing730 Jul 31 '26
Being a functional society doesn't require this at all? You think Singapore or South Korea or China are not functional? In what way is this more functional than simply enforcing the law as it existed at the time of their arrival. This simply creates poor incentives
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u/fartew Jul 31 '26
No! You don't get it. Everyone who commits a crime I never had to commit to live comfortably should be bashed with rocks!
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u/Fluffy-Comparison-48 Jul 31 '26
If only the majority of fascist could read.
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u/Rentedthelake Jul 31 '26
The majority of these permits will expire and they will become illegal immigrants and be impossible to remove from the country and EU.
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u/No-Clock5603 Jul 31 '26
No. 500 000 people. And these people already live and work there, most of them are from South America.
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u/Eigenspace 🇨🇦 / 🇦🇹 in 🇩🇪 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Spains original estimate was 500,000, but their scheme ended up attracting way more migrants than anticipated and its now well beyond a million applicants.
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u/InitialAd3323 Spain Jul 31 '26
million applicant does not mean million applications approved
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u/AtlanticRelation Belgian Complexity Enthusiast Jul 31 '26
The 500.000 was an estimate of the number of applications.
Besides, the criteria and burden of proof are incredibly lax.
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u/ExcellentCold7354 Europe Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Lol, I think you'll find that generally speaking, latinos stick to Spain. Even for those that don't, you're talking about people that speak an EU language, follow some form of Christianity or no religion at all, are generally educated (it's very different to have to get there by plane than on foot), and are motivated to work. There is a reason that Spain wants to naturalize them.
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u/JP76 Jul 31 '26
People coming to Spain from Americas tend to speak Spanish as their native tongue. It's the most convenient country in EU for them to move into.
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u/mazamundi Jul 31 '26
Almost all Latinos in the eu live in Spain. You'll be fine
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u/redlightsaber Spain Jul 31 '26
... and we're also reaping the benefits of it.
Northeners (and Italians I guess) can continue dying a slow economic death and relegating their seniors with lower and lower pensions (or even abolish the public pension systems altogether), and all for what? Racism?
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u/SgtFinnish Like Holland but better Jul 31 '26
My question is genuine: if these irregular migrants are on the whole beneficial, why do you not change your immigration laws to enable them to move to Spain the regular way? It seems insane to pass an amnesty to allow the people who arrived before NYE to gain regular status and not expect more to follow.
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u/mazamundi Jul 31 '26
I agree. Hilariously I just spent the day in Colombia talking to Latinos who have a Spanish passport or at least local id and they all talked about how important it is to vote for PP and curtail migration.
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u/WoodwoodWoodward Jul 31 '26
They don't have schengen access. That's a lie
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u/_aluk_ Jul 31 '26
They aren't getting the nationality. Only a temporary Visa to work ONLY in Spain.
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u/Slav3k1 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Is this source credible? If the migrants get Spanish passport, they have Schengen access for sure no?
EDIT: I am wrong, they do not get passport.
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u/No-Clock5603 Jul 31 '26
No one ever said they would get Spanish passport. Becoming a legal migrant doesn't mean getting nationality.
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u/_aluk_ Jul 31 '26
Who says they are getting Spanish passports? Legalisation implies a temporary work visa. If they travel in Schengen, they will do it with their passports, like before the legalization.
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u/WoodwoodWoodward Jul 31 '26
It's just a summary of the official decree, so yes - https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-2026-8284
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u/_aluk_ Jul 31 '26
So what? They are being legalized to work in Spain, if they want to move abroad in Europe they are going to have to apply for a Visa like anyone else. They are not getting the nationality ar anything of the sorts, only a temporary work Visa for people already working in Spain.
This legalisation affects anyone but Spain.
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u/mariedarkholme Jul 31 '26
What happened is clearly an foreign government using human shields to invade a sovereign country, like what Belarus has been doing with Poland and Lithuania. Now I want to see ALL westoids shame on Morocco for what they've done.
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u/nem_erdekel Jul 31 '26
There’s certain parts of certain cities where we are afraid to go because it’s full with aggressive illegals, not even the police go there. Please tell me more about it.
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u/Weird-End-6989 The Netherlands Jul 31 '26
Right wingers are always talking about no-go zones but they can never name even a single one.
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u/MaestroGena Czechia Jul 31 '26
Name those parts in 3 cities
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u/r0bertleberger Jul 31 '26
Calais, Marseille (Canebières / Noailles) and Frankfurt (near HBF)
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u/krumbuckl Jul 31 '26
Calais? Not true. Otherwise please provide a source.
Marseille. It is not new immigrants who make some quarters unsafe, but they are social hotspots grown for decades.
Frankfurt HBF the next social hotspot with the biggest open drug scene in Europe.
Not everything criminal is tied to immigrants. Try better.
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u/r0bertleberger Jul 31 '26
The source is that I went there and witnessed what happened (many immigrants, sometime aggressive and place looks like a shithole). No one in this thread talked about criminal nor "new immigrants"btw
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u/krumbuckl Jul 31 '26
I've been to Calais 3 weeks ago. Nice calm little city. I can recommend for a trip.
But it seems you are anyway in the wrong thread, as this is where you are in:
There’s certain parts of certain cities where we are afraid to go because it’s full with aggressive illegals, not even the police go there. Please tell me more about it.
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u/nem_erdekel Jul 31 '26
I live in such a city. Pull your head out of the sand. Even a YouTube search can show you where those are.
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u/arbicus123 Romania Jul 31 '26
Well obviously not on this scale considering italy doesent border morocco
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u/Four_beastlings Asturias (Spain) Jul 31 '26
Italy receives magnitudes more illegal immigrants from North Africa than Spain, even if Spain borders Morocco.
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Norway Jul 31 '26
The difference is Spain just promised anyone who show up and claim they have been in Spain a year, a short and direct path to EU citizenship. EU courts two weeks ago declared that is a privilege they have as an EU member.
Two weeks is how long it takes to cross the Nigerian-Libyan corridor and reach Morocco.
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u/No-Clock5603 Jul 31 '26
No. They have to prove that they have been there, not only claim. Plus they don't get a Spanish passport, they only become legal migrants and only for 1 year.
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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrsczé Jul 31 '26
What an idiot. There's no Schengen movement between Ceuta/Melilla and continental Spain.
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u/MidnightTaxiRide Jul 31 '26
Genuinely I'm so confused because isn't that an enclave in Africa? Like they'd have to get on a plane to get to mainland Europe, right? At that point if there's a screening process for proper documentation at that airport we should be fine because I can't imagine these people will get regularised? It's 6 in the morning and this whole situation is giving me heart palpitations because I'm not sure what the ramifications of closing the Schengen area would be when I'm just here on a residency visa for the next for years for work reasons and travel often for said work.
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u/jaggervalance Jul 31 '26
I'm not sure what the ramifications of closing the Schengen area would be when I'm just here on a residency visa for the next for years for work reasons and travel often for said work.
If Schengen was suspended, and it probably won't be, you would have to show your documents at the border of other Schengen countries instead of traveling freely. It wouldn't change much for you so don't panic.
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u/pothkan 🇵🇱 Pòmòrsczé Jul 31 '26
Like they'd have to get on a plane to get to mainland Europe, right?
Ferry, but nevertheless - there would be an internal border check. Which actually comes from the "small border movement", there are Moroccans living near Ceuta who work there and can enter easily w/o Schengen visa, and above is intended to stop them from coming to Europe. But of course it would also block illegal migrants.
Anyway, the crowd which crossed the border yesterday is stuck in Ceuta.
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u/Volky_Bolky Jul 31 '26
I haven't had a passport check during multiple flights inside Schengen tbf. Maybe it would be expected in that enclave
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u/missinguname Jul 31 '26
Given that the enclave isn't part of Schengen, what happens on Schengen flights doesn't matter.
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u/MidnightTaxiRide Jul 31 '26
Occasionally I am asked to show my passport and my residency card. Sometimes I am asked for a letter of invitation. That's all fine because I have all that documentation. My concern is that if they start asking for Visas I'd be absolutely screwed because those have to be applied for from country of origin and I can't imagine having to fly back to Cape Town every time I need to go to Germany or w/e I'd literally just be fired lmao
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u/IntriguinglyRandom Jul 31 '26
Careful. The fascists who are lucky enough to have popped out of a womb in western Europe are coming to make sure no one gets any "unearned rewards".
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u/MidnightTaxiRide Jul 31 '26
I'm literally not even invested in staying in Europe long term if we're being honest so like selfishly I just need European leaders to keep it together for a few more years for the sake of my career 😂😂
But in all seriousness I hope Schengen doesn't collapse because I just did some googling about what that would mean for actual Europeans and it seems a bit grim with trade and everything.
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u/MingaLaChigra Jul 31 '26
No it’s clear this is how politics work in good faith between right and left wing parties across the Schengen area /s
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u/LordSideQuest Jul 31 '26
Seems like the far right spout nonsense whichever country they come from.
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Norway Jul 31 '26
Legal residents are free to travel to the mainland.
They just need to show up and claim they have been there one year, and the new law gives them permanent residency in Spain, and a short path to EU citizenship.
EU courts ruled this is legal two weeks ago, Two weeks is how long it takes to cross the Nigerian-Libyan corridor and reach Morocco. So here they are.
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u/SgtFinnish Like Holland but better Jul 31 '26
They just need to show up and
claimthey have been there one year, and the new law gives them permanent residency in Spain, and a short path to EU citizenship.Prove.
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u/arbicus123 Romania Jul 31 '26
Its not permanent and also im sure they cant just "claim they have been there for one year"
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u/justk4y North Brabant (Netherlands) Jul 31 '26
It’s like she oh so conveniently forgot about the Lampedusa crisis
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Norway Jul 31 '26
They don't want them suspended because there's a lot of immigrants, they want them suspended because Spain passed a law saying anyone claiming to have lived in Spanish territories for a year gets permanent residency, regardless of legal status. And EU courts affirmed the law was legal two weeks ago, That translates to a EU citizenship in 5-10 years.
Which is why they are now flooding the border by any means possible, there's a free EU citizenship on the line for them.
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u/Ziritione85 Jul 31 '26
Morocco is not a reliable partner for Europe. They are the ones who have either encouraged this situation or allowed it to happen, which is effectively the same thing
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u/Schweppin Jul 31 '26
I'm under the impression that the people steering the institution (European Union) are either fundamentally disconnected from everyday public concerns or simply answering to a different set of priorities entirely.
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u/Kalagorinor Jul 31 '26
The politicians in charge of the EU are a reflection of the politicians running its constituting states. This disconnect exists at the country level too.
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u/actias_selene Jul 31 '26
They want exactly this maybe. More people means bigger economies and cheaper labor.
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u/L-Malvo Zeeland (Netherlands) Jul 31 '26
I doubt that, if they want more migrants, there are far easier and more humanitarian ways to make it happen. For example, simply make it easier to obtain a work visum. Or heck, even the model that France has (or tried, not sure) in which migrants could work in France for a couple months, earn minimum wage, and then return to their country of origin. Then they have to show their face at the French ambassy to prove they returned to that country, only then would they be eligible for another work visum. I think it's a great model, not just stimulating Europe's economy, but also the countries the migrants originate from.
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u/actias_selene Jul 31 '26
Documented workers are not cheap though, even at minimum wage.
Especially agriculture relies heavily on undocumented ones.
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u/L-Malvo Zeeland (Netherlands) Jul 31 '26
You make it seem like that is a good thing, but it's not.
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u/actias_selene Jul 31 '26
I am not saying it is a good thing. I am just saying this is the main reason why politicians look other way or allow it.
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u/Vexho Jul 31 '26
I don't think he's stating it as a positive, just the reasoning behind politicians inaction towards improving the legalisation process for undocumented immigrants
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u/MLG_Blazer Hungary Jul 31 '26
Nah, they aren't disconnected, the politicians are getting EXACTLY what they want.
- Cheap labor for their millionaire CEO buddies
- They secure themselves a voterbase. Why try making things better for your own people when you can just import new ones, who will be loyal to you?
- It's a distraction. When you live in a country with a bunch of people who all have different skin colors, culture, religion, even language. It's very easy to divide people, so they all focus on hating and blaming each other, instead of looking at the fact that the top 0.1% holds more and more of the wealth of the country.
The politicians, the media, and the ultra rich. They are all in this together. It's in their interest to keep importing more and more people from third world countries, I can't really blame the for doing what's good for themselves, the issue is that the common dumbfuck everyday Joe falls for it.
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u/iixxii25 Jul 31 '26
Yup exactly. You see this playing out in Reddit all the time when this goes way beyond political affiliation. It’s the ultra rich vs everyone else
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u/traumalt South Africa (Lithuania) Jul 31 '26
It’s the case in a lot of places. UK started to have riots over the mass immigration agenda that the government is pushing, and now reform is leading in the polls but the current siting parties still don’t see the problem.
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u/IntriguinglyRandom Jul 31 '26
"You made me do this!" Shouts the neo-Nazi committing the next massacre.
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u/Darkhoof Portugal Jul 31 '26
That's a narrative often pushed here but the fact is that the scale of this type of situations is much smaller than 2016. But keep repeating that bullshit.
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u/IcyRainn Jul 31 '26
Who cares, the left will always get blamed for action, inaction, acting late, not being good enough.
Zero criticism ever for right wing extremism, so they will just "always win because of this".
Can consult a nice chart from american politics that might help you out.
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u/Blubbolo Lombardy Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
The bullshit of the Right both in Italy and France ( Bardella saying the same) is incredible.
First of all if they block ferries and ships, they can't move from there...you know, being in Africa.
"oh ma gawd, Sanchez legalized 500k migrants"...well, our Meloni legalized 515k during her time.
Until now we had 15.000 migrants coming into Italy by sea just this year...should the rest of Europe block us too?
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u/mods4mods Extremadura (Spain) Jul 31 '26
The fact is that the government bent down to Morocco, recognizing it's claim in Western Sahara, breaking a historic bipartisan position in favour of the colonizers, just to stop things like these from happening because this is not the first time.
Then, 10 days after Sánchez visited Algeria, the king of Morocco does this.
You don't make yourself respected by bending down to a despot. A country that can't make its borders respected by a third world country is pathetic. I would love to expect some kind of retaliation but I'm experienced enough that what Morocco will get are concessions. Italy and the EU and in all their rights to make decision like these, at least to force Spain's hand.
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u/VenFasz Jul 31 '26
those italians forgetting quickly.
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Norway Jul 31 '26
The Italians aren't the ones promising them EU citizenship if they reach Spain, the Spanish prime minister is.
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u/MstrykuS Jul 31 '26
Well yeah, if you can't control your borders you don't deserve to be in Schengen
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u/eltiodelacabra Jul 31 '26
This is not a matter of being able to control borders or not, it's a matter of the Moroccan king being an absolute asshole and weaponizing immigration whenever there's something he doesn't like. The EU should use its power to retaliate accordingly so this never happens again.
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u/Seansz Europe Jul 31 '26
European Union needs to put the foot in the ground. Or else we are going the Nazi way. We move European money in Morocco with many European companies, and this is how they repay us ? We are under attack, from many parts like Russia, China, SUA, no one wants a strong Union, so we should give proper answers to those that will go that road, hit Morocco economy hard. If we do nothing, like we always fucking do, sooner or later the people will pick someone that will do much more cruelty, like shooting those people, many Europeans already want this.
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u/_aluk_ Jul 31 '26
Says someone with no conflicting borders. This people do not want to go to Spain, they want to go to Europe.
It's Europe's responsibility to control these borders.
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u/CopperThief29 Jul 31 '26
Tell me, please. How do you control them? Because we've already tried everything short of shooting them on sight. Neither our society or armed forces would be ok with that.
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u/mariedarkholme Jul 31 '26
You're right, I want to see Poland and Lithuania suspended from the Schengen Area for failing to properly control their borders with Belarus; this is clearly the fault of Poland Lithuania and Spain for not doing a better job of keeping the regimes in Belarus and Morocco in check—regimes that use immigration as a weapon to invade.
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u/Graceful_Parasol Jul 31 '26
i unfortunately agree with meloni, it’s this sort of thing which would turn citizens against the European union
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u/Eglaerinion Jul 31 '26
After that ridiculous plan to legalise more than a million illegals it should have already been done. We can't have one European border when lunatics like Sanchez can unilaterally make decisions like that.
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u/YuriLR Jul 31 '26
Suspending Schegen would do nothing about EU citizens. Ireland is not Schegen if you don't kmow
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u/arbicus123 Romania Jul 31 '26
Some important context is that it was 500 thousand and also it was for those who had lived in spain for more than 5 months and without a criminal record, unless youre refering to something else.
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u/_aluk_ Jul 31 '26
And it's just a temporary work visa, OP talks like the passports are being given for free.
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u/Eigenspace 🇨🇦 / 🇦🇹 in 🇩🇪 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
The original estimate was 500,000 but the number has since ballooned as people rush to get it.
5 months is an insanely short time.
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u/IntravenusDeMilo United States of America Jul 31 '26
I’m extremely pro immigration in my country and even I think this still sounds insane. 500k people is 1% of the population of Spain. Let’s set aside the 5 months in Spain bit (which also seems too short). That is a non-trivial number of people to accommodate over a short timeframe.
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u/davicing Spain Jul 31 '26
It's not 500k new people. It's people already working here but without a proper ID, without ID they can't access some basic services or even pay taxes. There is no "new people to accomodate"
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u/MLG_Blazer Hungary Jul 31 '26
Can you explain why are they already living there? How did they get there? Did they just appear out of thin air?
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u/SgtFinnish Like Holland but better Jul 31 '26
It's incredibly naïve to not see how this will incentivise people to move to Spain in order to wait until y'all do this again.
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u/MsXboxOne Jul 31 '26
Not really.
People dont read fine print. They see a headline that entices them so much they do whatever it takes to get there to avail of said benefit.
The lesson here is dont create gigantic pull factors. This 500k scheme was the most idiotic ideas every conceived.
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u/faith_plus_one Jul 31 '26
The fact that you refer to them as "illegals" tells me everything about where you get your news from and what sort of person you are.
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u/traumalt South Africa (Lithuania) Jul 31 '26
It also tells me where you get yours from…
Tourist Visa overstay is not a crime in your opinion?
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u/MsXboxOne Jul 31 '26
From some where that deals in facts and not make believe idealogy.
Its this idealogy that has caused this crisis.
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u/CopperThief29 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
They're already here. Many of them working illegally and the state to collect any taxes. Deporting them would be slow and very expensive, not the easy solution many imagine. It also would collapse entire sectors, because they do all the sh*tty jobs no native spaniard wants. So its either this, or keep the status-quo to save face.
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u/Edw4rdTe4ch Jul 31 '26
Agree. This even underminds inclusion of new members in the union - how can visum, citizenship and asylum rules and deals be made, if a member in schengendeal, can undo it at will.
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u/Commercial_Data3763 Jul 31 '26
Europe needs more population anyway. Population decline over the next century will be one of Europe’s biggest challenges.
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u/YuriLR Jul 31 '26
Yes, but one thing is selecting immigrants. Another is welcoming the most desperate ones with state money
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u/Commercial_Data3763 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Sure. Ideally, it should be in a controlled way.
We need more of both high and low skill though. You can’t let in nothing but high-skilled, for example, without significant possible long-term issues.
I just have a feeling that in 50 years everyone will be bitching about the economy because of population decline and yet no one will realize it could have been avoided if we let more people in now. They’ll probably do the opposite actually and blame the immigrants.
In the meantime, while I prefer doing this jn an organized more selective way, ill take what i can get.
Interestingly, the United States did something similar (totally uncontrolled in that case, it was basically a free for all) in Miami. Read my comment below on what happened.
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u/YuriLR Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
I never said high skilled only.
Bring the low skilled that at least know the language, have accommodation set up privately before, and dont offer state money. Can't get a job? Return. Social benefits only after 12 months of employment history.
No refugees that can't satisfy these conditions.
Laws would have to change for that
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u/Commercial_Data3763 Jul 31 '26
Not disagreeing with any of that, but as I said even just letting them in has been shown empirically to work in the long term (not without some short term issues though).
With migration there is no net change in long term labor demand or native wages.
Miami in 1980 is the single largest studied empirical example of this in the field of economics (which I commented about below).
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u/MsXboxOne Jul 31 '26
We can be highly selective about who we let in.
Thats how borders are supposed to work.
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u/UniGamer_Alkiviadis Jul 31 '26
You uninformed muppet.
Sanchez is planning to provide temporary working permits to predominantly Latino migrants that have been in Spain for at least 5 months. He is neither granting them free visas to roam the Schengen area nor is he granting them Spanish (and therefore EU) citizenship, as has been claimed ad nauseam by idiots like Meloni and co.
Also, there has been this phobia of a sudden influx of millions of illegals into the EU all of a sudden. Over a million applicants might have filed in their paperwork, but it doesn't mean they will all get an approval for the temporary visa.
Sanchez has fumbled a lot of situations but this ain't one of them.
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u/The_Last_Cast Jul 31 '26
Not Italy, just Meloni. Spain is the last progressive beacon in the EU right now, of course little Giorgia needa to grasp to some propagandistic debris before sinking....
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u/NefariousBlue Jul 31 '26
There is nothing progressive about Spain's government.
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u/sn0w5 Jul 31 '26
This is incredibly incorrect.
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u/LletBlanc Jul 31 '26
How so? What's progressive about being traitorous to the native population by suppressing what are already staggeringly low wages by allowing unfettered immigration?
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u/_aluk_ Jul 31 '26
For what is worth, minimum wage has almost doubled since this government started, and the right has always voted against this measure.
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u/LordSideQuest Jul 31 '26
Suppressing low wages? Spain raised its minimum wage by around 60% between 2018 and 2025 and introduced La reforma laboral para la recuperación económica y la creación de empleo (the labour reform for economic recovery and job creation), which strengthened collective bargaining and reduced reliance on temporary contracts. That is literally the opposite of suppressing wages.
The evidence on immigration is more nuanced. Research generally shows it has had little effect on average wages, although there can be some downward pressure in sectors where migrants compete directly for work, such as agriculture, hospitality and domestic care. However, immigration has also helped Spain deal with an ageing population, fill labour shortages, increase economic activity and contribute tax revenue.
The idea of 'unfettered immigration' falls apart on contact with reality. Spain has immigration controls, visa systems and border enforcement. The debate should be about managing immigration effectively and investing in housing and services, not pretending that immigration is either completely uncontrolled or the sole cause of economic problems. Thats just right wing nonsense to scare you into voting for them.
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u/traumalt South Africa (Lithuania) Jul 31 '26
Thinking that immigration depresses wages is a right wing political talking point.
Actual studies done into the subject all agree that immigration is a net positive for a country.
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u/sn0w5 Jul 31 '26
First of all, ew. 'traitorous to the native population' 🤮 Google is free but if you want to keep swallowing right-wing populist lies, suit yourself.
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u/IronPeter Italy Jul 31 '26
Italy should shut up, Italian government in particular: a bunch of useless populists
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u/worldisbraindead Jul 31 '26
It won’t be suspended. That’s absolute rubbish. But, people in the EU need to understand that you essentially voted for the current situation. You keep electing leaders who are happy to flood their countries with the third world. Are people unaware of this?
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u/Littorina_Sea Jul 31 '26
I might be biased, but isn't that the whole 'having gazillion post-colonial exclaves on the opposing side' isn't just overall bad idea?
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u/MsXboxOne Jul 31 '26
Absolutely.
This is absurd and highlights the frightening dangers of left wing idealogy in government.
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u/Sneaky_Squirreel Poland Jul 31 '26
I mean, Spain is just casually legalising and granting citizenship to about 1 mil illegal immigrants that will get access to visa free travel across EU, and nobody knows who they are and Spain didn't ask anyone about it.
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u/IntriguinglyRandom Jul 31 '26
Misinformation! It is not granting citizenship to 1 million illegals. It is granting a 1 year work permit to people who have been unable to work in Spain but who are already within Spain.
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u/sn0w5 Jul 31 '26
No they're not, no they won't and yes we will. Stop swallowing the lies, literally just google what's actually going on or read other comments on this thread. Right wing populism thrives on idiots who take whatever rumour they hear as fact and can't muster the strength to figure something out for themselves in an era of unprecedented information availability.
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