r/AMDHelp • u/AxelXyfer • 29d ago
Tips & Info I finally figured out my driver issues and fixed months of sudden hard crashing. Windows 11 was automatically installing its own Drivers overtop of AMD Drivers.
For the last 3-4 months, maybe even more, my PC has been an absolute nightmare.
I've been getting:
- Constant random hard crashes
- Spontaneous and sudden full system reboots with no warning, as if someone had pulled the plug and then it would restart itself... gaslighting me as if nothing happened
- Visual corruption/glitching
- Split-second BSOD images before the PC instantly restarted
- General instability that seemed completely random and completely unusable on some days
After months of troubleshooting, swapping around hardware, constantly DDUing and reinstalling drivers, reverting Windows updates, and almost throwing the PC out the window many times, I finally found what I believe is the culprit!
Windows 11 was silently installing its own graphics driver through Windows Update on top of AMD drivers. And it was doing it again and again and again, every single time my system turned on.
Every time I thought I had a clean AMD installation, Windows would install its own display driver in the background. I ended up with overlapping and conflicting drivers, which caused insane instability.
If you're experiencing similar symptoms, or you simply want to stop Windows from interfering with your GPU drivers, this is what finally fixed it for me. It's a little time consuming, but bear with and trust the process, I luckily have now been using my PC for around a week and haven't crashed a single time, everything seems perfectly stable again, (touch wood T~T).
Will need:
- Download whichever driver version is considered the most stable for your GPU before you begin. You will be running the installer near the very end, just have it downloaded and ready to go.
- DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller)
Steps:
1. Boot into Safe Mode and disconnect from the internet.
Unplug Ethernet or Wi-Fi adapters if able.
Do not reconnect to the internet until the very end.
2. Run DDU in safe mode and restart.
Once disconnected from the internet, run Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU), then restart.
3. Device Manager.
Press Win + R, Type:
devmgmt.msc
Go to: Display adapters → Your GPU → Properties → Driver
If available, click "Roll Back Driver". If it isn't, just skip this step.
4. Disable automatic device driver installation.
Press Win + R, type:
sysdm.cpl
Go to:
Hardware → Device Installation Settings
Select:
No (your system might not work as expected)
Save the changes.
5. Disable driver updates through Group Policy.
(Windows Pro, Enterprise and Education only, all others in next step.)
Press Win + R, type:
gpedit.msc
Go to: Computer Configuration → Administrative Templates → Windows Components → Windows Update
Open:
Do not include drivers with Windows Updates
Set it to Enabled, then Apply and OK.
6. Disable driver updates through Registry Editor.
(All Win Versions)
Press Win + R, type:
regedit
Navigate to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
If WindowsUpdate doesn't exist, create it.
Create a new DWORD (32-bit) Value called:
ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate
Set its value to:
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7. Restart your PC.
(This applies the changes).
8. Reboot into Safe Mode and run DDU again.
This ensures any remaining driver remnants are removed before installing AMD driver.
Restart afterwards and boot into Windows normally.
9. Install your AMD driver.
Install your chosen Driver. (I also installed the Chipset Drivers, I haven't tested with vs without).
10. Final restart and reconnect to the internet.
After installing the AMD driver, restart your PC.
Once you're back in Windows as normal, you can safely reconnect to the internet.
It's definitely a tedious process, but my PC has gone from constant crashes and random reboots to being completely stable.
If you've been fighting mysterious AMD driver crashes, it's worth checking whether Windows Update is quietly replacing or stacking drivers behind the scenes.
Hopefully this saves someone else the months of frustration I went through.
If anyone gets stuck on any of the steps, leave a comment and I can try to help if I can.
EDIT:
As you might notice in comments, I started crashing again!
I did everything again, and it was still crashing for some reason.
So, I tried patching windows using cmd as usual.
I used the basic common commands in cmd as admin:
DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth
and
sfc /scannow
and then restarted.
There were corrupted files in windows, and the commands fixed them.
Things so far have been 100% since!
For me, no issues whatsoever since. (touch wood 😅)
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u/Araragi_saan 29d ago
I had problems too after installing 26.6.1 drivers same win11 installing old drivers, group policy and regedit helped me i used amd clean up utility though after all these my pc runs fine as it used to.
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago edited 29d ago
Coincidentally, 26.6.1 was around the time my pc issues got super intense. Nothing worked at all since I updated to that driver...
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u/crossfi73 29d ago
Appreciate the writeup. Unfortunately doesn't seem to solve the issue for me.
I'm running a 7900xtx and it still crashes within a few seconds of starting a stress test - basically as soon as the power goes over ~350W. I'm able to run a stress test successfully with my old 2070 super pulling about 220W with nothing unusual coming up.
Machine is running a 1000x Corsair that is only 3 years old so I don't think it is the power supply, though that will probably the last thing I try. Otherwise it seems I have a very expensive GPU-shaped paperweight.
Edit: typo
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u/FiASCO_9 28d ago
I thought I had fixed it by rolling back to on my 7900xtx but then windows started fucking that up so I saw in some older Reddit post that you can go to settings>windows update>advanced options> recovery> “Fix problems using windows update”. Worked for me and it’s been about a month. Current driver I’m on is 26.5.2 no hiccups
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u/RedDot3ND R9 9900x / RX-6900XT / X870-A / 2x16 6000CL30 / 1000W 28d ago
could be something else like MPO screwing up on heavy loads or even TDR.
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u/F1Lane 28d ago
Set the power limit in adrenaline to -5% and see if it ever crashes again.
My 7900XTX is stable at stock
Which card is it (manufacturer)
Mine is the Sapphire Pulse. I've seen a lot of power colour cards are bad for overboosting and crashing and setting a small power limit offset of -5 or -10 works perfectly and does basically nothing to performance
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u/crossfi73 28d ago
I’ve tried undervolting and underclocking and neither did anything unfortunately.
Mine is a powercolor. TBH I never had a single issue until mid June. Started out intermittent then suddenly yesterday the system was completely unstable with no material changes.
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u/crossfi73 28d ago
Will try both of these today and report back
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u/crossfi73 28d ago
Sad to report no fix on these. Tried one more DDU wipe and fresh 26.1 install and still crashes about 2 seconds into a furmark test.
Unfortunately I think I’m done with troubleshooting. Going to put the card in the closet and check this sub in a few months to see if anything changed. In the ~20 years I’ve been building PCs, I’ve never seen a driver issue effectively brick a piece of HW. This really is something else.
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u/RedDot3ND R9 9900x / RX-6900XT / X870-A / 2x16 6000CL30 / 1000W 27d ago
no crash logs in event viewer?
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u/TitaniumDogEyes 29d ago
This has been going on for years and it’s infuriating. Happens on Intel arc cards now too.
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u/surms41 29d ago
Makes me feel even more, that Micro$oft is behind this sabotage for Nvidia money.
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u/b16ZZ- 29d ago
MS has already admitted the driver rollbacks are their own fault, which means they know and are yet to fix it.
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u/Exalting_Peasant 29d ago
Supposedly, they are rollout out a partial fix towards the end of this year...
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u/b16ZZ- 29d ago
How's this such an hard fix that it takes 6 months to release it? And "PARTIAL" fix???? Wtf.
Maybe I'm bound to transition to CachyOS permanently... Multi trillion dollar company btw
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u/Exalting_Peasant 29d ago
It's Microsoft, lol
Par for the course for them and has been for decades atp
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u/b16ZZ- 29d ago
The funniest thing is that it happens with all GPUs BUT NVIDIA's 🤔🤔😂
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u/TitaniumDogEyes 29d ago
As far as I know it happens whenever they didn’t pay microslop to certify the driver.
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u/WhichDisaster5889 29d ago
LIESSS, it happens MAINLY with AMD Gpus but it has happened to my 5070ti twice within the almost 6 months ive had it
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u/Careful-Suit-3775 26d ago
I have a very similar issue except my computer doesn't restart. It's definitely a windows issue because it does not happen on Linux.
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u/Financial-Rent8495 25d ago
AMD is just bullshit, i'm not buying gpu from them anymore. Sometimes for weeks i have no crashes and then suddenly i'm getting crashes. Now i got 4 crashes in 30 minutes just browsing web.
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u/DarkKnightRyzen 23d ago
I will be too honestly. But it’s also hard justifying their prices on a 5080, cause I’m not going any lower than that
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u/Outrageous_Cupcake97 8d ago
Even if you own an nVidia Gpu, if you have an AMD CPU with graphics, this will happen anyway.
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u/ReallyMrDarcy 24d ago
Having issues with Intel onboard graphics too, so nothing to do with AMD. Everything to do with Microshaft being lazy/incompetent...
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u/ReallyMrDarcy 24d ago
Looks to be an issue with Windows, so a Microshaft issue. Nothing to do with AMD.
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u/Outrageous_Cupcake97 8d ago
But how can you be so sure it's Windows and not the AMD driver faulty?
You analyze the dmp files and it clearly shows the faulty files are the AMD driver.
I have an AMD Ryzen cpu with integrated graphics and also an nvidia GPU. When I plug my second monitor to the integrated GPU it crashes. This is regardless of using 1 or 2 monitors, anytime I plug in to the iGpu, it will crash.
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u/Akmunra 29d ago
How did you manage to tell windows was overlapping drivers? What does we look out for?
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u/The_Countess 29d ago
One way is to look at the driver date in device manager.
You can do a rollback there as well to return to the driver you installed (but windows will overwrite it again so be sure to disable windows driver updates. and a recent windows update seemed to have re-enabled those again, even if you previously disabled it)3
u/WhichDisaster5889 29d ago
for me, whenever windows removes my gpu drivers or replaces them with windows drivers, sometimes only one monitor works, when u look at ur monitors in display settings is says microsoft graphics and there was something is device manager that told me too but i forgot what exactly
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Honestly, it was purely trial and error until things started working. I've been trying all sorts of things for months, and saw someone talking about windows auto installing drivers and it got me to dive into it.
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u/Akmunra 29d ago
It does but I wanted an indication of it happening, only way I can think of is either event viewer events, or driver description changing from AMD something to generic windows deiver description.
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Well, for me a big indicator was when I ddu and restarted, it would open windows and the screen would flick for a sec and then second monitor would come on. As if I had speedran a driver install already during the restart or something... That was the biggest aha moment tbh.
Also the driver details in device manager would say a different number to the driver version I installed too. But a friend who was helping me said about how it can look different there.
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u/Independent_Teach_11 29d ago
For me personally it was adrenaline not opening on boot up. If I tried to run the program it would pop up that it was missing and unable to be launched.
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u/FFS_Roger 29d ago
Sad that you had to go through this, happy that you solved it, hope this helps people in the coming days/weeks/months/years. It be nice to have this pinned on this sub, there's tons of other useful comments in here as well... Maybe we need to get AMD die hards to make some good guides for this on YT like ancient gameplays... You know what? Going to spam his latest video comments now to get a good guide out of him!
Sometimes it feels like the odds are stacked against AMD, most of these issues are caused by things external to AMD Windows, unoptimised apps, Motherboards forcing unstable settings on RAM and FCLK and power supplies that can't handle transient power spikes... A lot of people with issues are new to PC or just don't care to fiddle to make things stable and move to Nvidia or Intel and the AMD market share gets hurried...
Any way going to enjoy my newused RX6800, cheers🥳
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u/Subject_Cat_4274 29d ago
Windows 11 is the worst operating system ever released. Vista feels like a blessing compared to 11
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u/DreamingMeme 9800x3D | XFX 7900XTX MERC 29d ago
I guess I'll try this, feel like I did this already and still crashing after a few days of stability
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
I know your pain and frustration all too well.
Give it a go and here's hoping you maybe missed something silly <3
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u/dinin70 29d ago edited 29d ago
Question here: did you install the chipset drivers?
Had a perfectly functioning 3600x and 6950xt.
Upgraded to 5800x3d. Reinstalled windows (without reformatting all drives). Updated drivers AND chipset (updating the chipset drivers being something I never did when I had the 3600X).
Had kinda the same symptoms. The PC would freeze for 30s and restart on its own after 5 minutes of being into windows, regardless of what I’m doing (even doing nothing at all). Tried scandisk, did all kinds of DDUs, memtests, fiddled with C states, with PBOTuner, switched PSU, switched CPU, switched GPU, installed old drivers versions which I knew where working under the previous setup etc… nothing fixed that.
After 2 days of trying to fix this broken mess I deleted all drives on all disks from the BIOS. Fresh install of windows.
Updated GPU drivers to the last one but didn’t install the chipset driver tho which arguably was the only difference I had between the 3600x setup stability and the 5800x3d one.
Now it works like a charm. Mind you it’s only 4 days since I did this, so it might be I’ll run into troubles again so I’m saving this post just in case issues happen again.
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Yes, I installed the chipset drivers at the end of everything alongside Adrenaline and Drivers.
I am on 26.6.1, in case anyone is wondering, it was 26.6.1 when things got really bad for me, and I tried to revert to 26.3.1 but it was the exact same. That was when I realised the windows issue. So after experiments and research and doing everything mentioned in post, I have been using 26.6.1 and thankfully no issues so far.
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u/WhichDisaster5889 29d ago
the recent windows update did exactly this, im genuinely so sick of windows
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u/CulturedRobot69 29d ago
Yeah man, I was already pissed at crashes during my crimson desert playthroughs, on top of it windows pulls shit like this😭
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u/Uriel_Sirfalas 29d ago
Did everything you mentioned and listed here. Still got a timeout crash error. BUT! It was only one in around 5 hours. I play and tab often in between. No hardware acceleration whatsoever.
It still feels better. I'll keep my eyes peeled for more data.
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u/stricky__ 25d ago
precisa fazer a merda de um curso pra conseguir USAR a GPU, que empresa patetica
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u/DeviceFabulous9568 25d ago
Es culpa de la maldita Microsoft que no sabe hacer un sistema operativo medianamente decente.
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u/ReallyMrDarcy 24d ago
Definitely a Microshaft issue as I'm having problems with Intel onboard graphics too
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u/coolsam254 19d ago
Which driver version are you currently using? I'm on 26.7.1 and followed the instructions in the post but still get freezes and crashes and I've had my card for 2 years without issues so it almost certainly is a driver issue for me too.
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u/Fantastic_Beat4983 12d ago
i’ve been having the same problems for just as long as you. going to try this as soon as i get home and if it doesn’t work i’m just gonna get an nvidia card atp😭
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u/Fantastic_Beat4983 10d ago
i’m pretty sure it works, pc has been super stable since but now my wifi speeds are super slow, i would peak at like 200-300 mbps when downloading something before but now im getting 40 at the max, anybody know how i could fix that?
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u/Fantastic_Beat4983 10d ago
nevermind i’m just an idiot i didn’t plug back in my wifi adapter thing lol
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
I have done this before, but somehow they were reenabled... Probably by a windows update somehow.
You can't even make this stuff up. -facepalm-
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u/aurorasynth-777 29d ago
finally someone who understands it 🙌
- same goes for nvidia but windows doesn't install newer drivers because microsoft rarely updates their nvidia database
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u/Maeggon 29d ago
it would be easier to just block Windows's hardware update, DDU everything and reinstall the driver
> Windows Key + R to open the Run
> type sysdm.cpl and press enter
> "Hardware" tab
> select "device installation settings"
> choose "no (your device might not work as expected)"
> save the changes and restart your computer
5 years of this SO and they still not fixing basic shit like this
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u/Grouchy-Ad-833 29d ago
Any chance this system setting gets defaulted back to "yes" on a Windows update? Just asking cause it seems like Windows goes back to default values for the kind of stuff
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u/Independent_Teach_11 29d ago
No. Just went through the samething as OP. I run windows 11 Home and it was ignoring that setting and updating my drivers any time I turned my pc off for more than 10 minutes.
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
The main issue was that windows was reapplying them every single boot up for some reason.
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u/SirAmicks 29d ago
This has been happening since I had my RX 480. It isn’t anything new. Doesn’t make it any less infuriating. I wasn’t getting random crashes but adrenaline would stop launching. I could still play whatever games fine. Disabling automatic driver installs was the only fix.
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u/Causing_Autism 29d ago
How do I get my drivers installed on step 9? Do i have to use a USB or is reconnecting to the internet for the this step going to invalidate the process? Thanks a lot for this btw
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Sorry- I should have mentioned, make sure you have your driver downloaded before you begin lol.
You don't need the internet to run and install the installer. c:Edit: Connecting to the internet is really just to make sure windows leaves you alone, so you could in theory reconnect at step 9 and it would probably be ok. Still, to be safe, wait till you have everything finished is my recommendation.
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u/SlowPokeInTexas 29d ago
Yeah Microsoft really is annoying with that @*@#t. I'm happy you got it resolved.
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u/shadowmaking 29d ago
Excellent post. Thank you for taking the time to write out your solution. I'm certain this affects plenty of people out there. How did you diagnose that Windows Update was doing this, or did you try this in the hope it could resolve your issue? This would allow people to determine if they should try your solution.
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Answered in other comments:
Honestly, it was purely trial and error until things started working. I've been trying all sorts of things for months, and saw someone talking about windows auto installing drivers and it got me to dive into it.
Well, for me a big indicator was when I ddu and restarted, it would open windows and the screen would flick for a sec and then second monitor would come on. As if I had speedran a driver install already during the restart or something... That was the biggest aha moment tbh.
Also the driver details in device manager would say a different number to the driver version I installed too. But a friend who was helping me said about how it can look different there.
To be honest it took me months to get to this point, so if it becomes unusable again I'm moving to Nvidia idk lol
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u/shadowmaking 29d ago
Makes me glad I haven't had this type of issue with my 7900xtx. Thank you for the response
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u/Unfair_Jeweler_4286 29d ago
For anyone who runs lian li strimmers, make sure to ditch the extenders themselves (can still use the RGB on factory power supply cables). Before with the 24pin my 5v and 3.3 rails were dropping under heavy load to 4.7v and 3.1v. was causing bsod and random ssd issues. GPU voltages would drop just enough during heavy loads on some games to timeout the card.. after loosing the extentions my 5v is 5.016v (never changes) and 3.3v is 3.316 and never changes. Now I haven't had a single timeout or bsod for almost 2 months. By now I would have 6 bsod and countless timeouts. I've had zero since👍
(For anyone who finds this helpful lol)
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u/Fickle_Penalty_8179 28d ago edited 28d ago
First of all I have to let go of 2 things:
a) THANK you for this indepth guide I will instantly try this when I'm home as I'm in the same spot you were since JAN 26 and I'm close to smashing that thing down because of the blackscreens, stuters and freezes...
aaaaaaand (preparing for downvotes)
b) How are some of you so ungrateful / passive aggresive? No offense but he tries to help you for free and all you can give back is some "doesnt work anyway DUH" or it's a "copypasta"? He didn't promise you anything just a way it MIGHT work so be a little bit more appreciative. End of rant.
So what I was thinking if I even should roll back to 25.9.1 goated drivers and also delete all the Windows updates after DEC 25, do you think this might work? Is it much of a hastle or are there tools to help me remove them easier?
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u/AxelXyfer 28d ago
I'm on 26.6.1, everything seems fine and no issues so far. I was trying to keep to 26.3.1 but once I did everything, I decided to try 26.6.1 and it's working, so yay!
Also thanks for your comment, made me feel better tbh 🩵🩵
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u/RushCuidadoso 26d ago
I am going to try rolling back to 26.6.1, since even after doing everything I am still having the same issues. I will let you know if this fixes it, maybe 26.7.1 is garbage, I have been having random BSOD and being forced to force shutdown my PC since last week.
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u/AxelXyfer 26d ago
26.6.1 was still crashing for me, I switched to 26.3.1.
If you're having crashes still, I'd recommend the same :(
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u/Fickle_Penalty_8179 19d ago
No problem, I just had to get that off my chest. 😅
Well, I’ve kind of managed to fix the crashes, but my performance is still in the basement sometimes. So I’m definitely not out of the woods yet.
By the way, are you also using the MPO Fix Tool? I’m a bit unsure about the correct approach on Windows 11 25H2 with my 6950 XT.
Do you know whether I should use the actual MPO Fix OR Disable Overlays fix? I’ve read that setting
OverlayTestMode = 5may no longer work properly on newer Windows builds, and thatDisableOverlays = 1should be used instead. However, I haven’t been able to find a reliable source confirming this.Also, regarding HAGS. Since it’s not officially supported for the 6950 XT, I’m assuming it’s best to leave it disabled in the registry and not mess with it, right?
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u/AxelXyfer 28d ago
Oh and also I wouldn't worry about windows updates if you do have the same issue as me, I didn't uninstall any updates. I did try reverting to previous versions before, but the fix was literally just the drivers overlapping. Hope that helps bud 😅
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u/3lawi_6775 28d ago
i hade theis problem like a hole year The first one is if i plug one moniter the pc keeps flashing
And the second some time when i play the pc suddenly crashes and i can do nothing except restart the device or the drivers will get deleted
I did this and i also turned off hardware accelerate in both windows and chrome And until now i have 0 problems thank you so much
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u/biccomolhado 27d ago
I have almost the same problem using an Ryzen 7 5700G without a dedicated GPU. I reformatted my computer, and everything was going fine until I tried to install the AMD drivers. I’ve done this three times - reformatting, installing Windows Updates, and then installing the AMD drivers - but the system either crashes during installation or displays visual artifacts, forcing me to restart the PC. I’ve even tried switching operating systems (I tested both Windows 10 and Windows 11), and I don't know what else to do.
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u/Effective-Strike69 25d ago
My system was freezing doing any H265 encoding whether it be Resolve or OBS, and occasionally just randomly. Then on a reboot only 1 of my 3 monitors would work.
After thinking the AMD cleaning utility was properly clearing things out, simply running DDU in safe mode with my ethernet cable yanked out, then booting back into Windows and installing the AMD drivers (pre-downloaded since I'm still not connected at this point) was all it took.
The constant crashing is done. I was going nuts testing my ram, power supply etc etc... I took the added steps of disabling all Windows GPU updates automatically since as you highlighted.
9700x/9070
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u/Oxxycottin 8d ago
That’s exactly what’s been happening to me. Today my computer bricked and went through the self diagnosis tool and when it came back I only had one monitor as well. Had to DDU in safe mode and reinstall drivers. Hoping this fixed it. Was scared my hellhound 9070xt was perma done.
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u/Effective-Strike69 7d ago
I've had the best luck rolling back to 26.2.2. I've had one crash in a week (fortunately my monitors didn't get wiped out again)..
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u/Oxxycottin 7d ago
I might end up having to do that. One of my monitors went black after DDU and reinstallation. Hoping it was a fluke due to me having to reconfigure my xeneon edge.
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u/bay_of_pigs6 23d ago
I get a hard crash after installing any amd drivers, have tried several listed here. Everyone i use DDU in safe mode fists, could my GPU be finished?
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u/andres_da 22d ago
Run a VRAM and 3D test with OCCT and find out if its actually the GPU
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u/bay_of_pigs6 22d ago
I cant install any amd drivers it always crashes, can only boot into safe mode or uninstall drivers using ddu amd boot using windows display drivers.
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u/Yamaha9 22d ago
New here and am having issues for months now of screen freezes/black screen/green screen. I replaced my OS SSD and it stopped for a little bit, but has started again.
How does one do the process you’re mentioning?
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u/Mean_Muggin333 x670e/b650 | 9800x3dx2 | 64g 6000mt cl30 | 9070xt/7900xtx 21d ago
Occt is a software you can download. You can use it to check the stability of hardware. But also How to AMD with Microslop
As well as make sure to lower max boost clock by at least 120mhz
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u/Outrageous_Cupcake97 8d ago
Can the same test be done on an internal graphics cpu? I use an nvidia card and a Ryzen cpu. Thanks.
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u/schwarzesFeuer 18d ago
Literally just had this happen last night. Thankfully all i needed to do was enable my "disabled" gpu and reinstall the drivers...
FFS microscum... thought my GPU had died...
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u/Rye8497 2d ago
You are an absolute legend, after a windows update on my steamdeck I opened up dolphin and it was acting like a graphics plugin was missing. Tried to do a system restore point and it couldn't complete it saying the pc needed fixing, was literally thinking my steamdeck may of lived past its life lol. I did a reinstall of windows whilst keep my files on my computer and was still acting weird where I couldn't adjust the resolution, after following this tutorial (I skipped the regedit step and instead went to device manager to disable windows updates) and everything seems to work normally so far. Kinda fucked of windows to try overlap the current driver with its own through an update I felt fairly miffed about that lol
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u/AffectionateUse8579 7h ago
I did everything, including the edit, and it is still happening to me... I'm so lost atp
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u/Apprehensive-Race-70 5h ago
Same for me, bro. We’ll just have to wait for a driver that actually works without issues. I have a feeling we’re in for a long wait...
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u/Redundant_Error 29d ago
Doesn't DDU have a setting built in that prevents automatic driver updates by windows?
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Well that's new to me, must of been a recent update. Plus I assume all my legwork is just the manual version. Six of one, half a dozen the other.
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u/Independent_Teach_11 29d ago
Bro I ran DDU and clean driver installs 10 times or more and windows automatic update turned off every single time. Turn off my pc for anything longer than 10 minutes amd boot up to updated drivers from windows. The only fix i believe bearly identical to OP's.
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u/b16ZZ- 29d ago
How come you guys don't notice this right away. I have had my 9070 XT for 2 weeks and noticed in the second day of use that windows was doing that bs. It was driving me mad for 3/4 days until I managed a permanent solution to stop windows from rolling back my drivers.
Do you guys not use adrenalin?
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u/LiverGe 29d ago
What does adrenalin have to do with it?
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u/b16ZZ- 29d ago
Adrenalin does not allow itself to be open when you have mismatching drivers. Each adrenalin version seems to only work with the right matching driver
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Oh- I didn't actually know that.
Thank you for saying, I never would have known.But yes actually- I was noticing that AMD wasn't opening on startup on most days. Just thought it was windows being windows or some sort of Driver ver being buggy.
Thanks dude c:
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u/Shorelooser 29d ago
You can find a guide in the web that is about disable windows hardware updates entirely
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u/celh_ 29d ago
Solo limpien sus drivers con DDU y desactiven actualizaciones automáticas de Windows
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u/Independent_Teach_11 29d ago
Does not stop the issue. I went through a similar experience as the OP. Windows automatic update turned off. DDU,clean drivers. Soon as I would turn my pc off for any amount of time longer than 10 minutes when I booted back up adrenaline would no longer be on my pc. Check driver version and it would be windows updated to what it thought best. Took several steps that was supposed to completely disable windows having the ability to replace the drivers with no luck. Eventually found a work around that included a large portion of the op's steps if not all. (Can't remember everything it was a lot). Local group policy editor is not available on Windows 11 home so I had to find a work around for the steps I found with AI but finally not having the issue.
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
This. Exactly this.
Automatic updates toggle doesn't fix it unfortunately. And somehow a windows update forces itself through and reenables them anyway.
Yay windows....
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u/Scruffy42 29d ago
I had my video card crashing multiple times in a day. It required a factory reinstall of the drivers each time. I did all of the above, but a combination of the above and uninstalling the AMD Adrenaline control panel program and reinstall of drivers only using factory settings did the trick. Basically removed the adrenaline program.
It's likely the blocked windows update was the real fix, but even after doing those steps it would still crash. After a week or two I reinstalled the control panel or whatever and it worked fine again. Who knows what really fixed it.
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Not a universal fix, but sounds like windows is definitely interfering with your setup too. It's annoying to say the least :/
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u/JacobC5353 29d ago
Adrenalin software rarely works for me at all. When I try to open it it just does nothing. Have to fresh install it if I need to do anything with my GPU or cpu
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u/something212123123 29d ago
im not very confident in using DDU is there any steps i can skip to prevent windows from removing my gpu again?
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
DDU isn't that scary I promise, watch a youtube tutorial (assuming there is one), if needs be.
You should always DDU and then install fresh drivers as a habbit anyway2
u/something212123123 29d ago
thank you
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Of course!
And if you need a hand, I'm happy to dm and guide you if you need it.Just make sure you DDU in safe mode to be safe, helps make sure nothing interferes too.
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u/tmurphy4188 29d ago
This doesnt work, I've tried these exact same steps weeks ago and the issue is still occurring. Not an overall fix
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u/AxelXyfer 29d ago
Well, it's never going to fix everyones problems...
I just finally figured out what my issue was and assumed it was probably a common issue so thought I'd post. Seems to have helped a good handful already.What issues are you dealing with? Maybe someone can help?
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u/Rezequiel 7800X3D | 7900 GRE 28d ago
This happened to you in which Windows and which version/branch/release? I think that matters too.
I remember back in the day having this issues with a Polaris card BUT I was using Windows 10 Pro (with scripts applied to it for removing bloatware).
Since I made my new pc (and the other 5 that came after) I've been using windows 10 iot ltsc and never had any issues whatsoever regarding drivers again and all my gpus are from amd (7000, 6000 series and apus from my laptops). I even have windows 11 iot ltsc in my daily use pc and although I have posponed the windows update for every 5 weeks (win11 was having very questionable updates so I wanted to delay as much as possible any download until "they were stable"), again, never had any issue with drivers swapping or overlapping by windows.
TL;DR, use ltsc or iot ltsc version of windows to test if that can fix the issue. Thanks for your guide!
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u/AxelXyfer 28d ago
As the title says, this was on Windows 11.
The edition is just Home, which I'm only just realising now... I actually used to be on W10 Pro, so I guess the W11 upgrade downgraded my purchase at some point. Thanks, MS...
My current version is:
- Edition: Windows 11 Home
- Version: 25H2
- OS Build: 26200.8894
I should also mention that the fix I found has helped a few friends who were having very similar issues on different editions of W11, so it's not only exclusive to Home edition.
As for LTSC/IoT LTSC, I'd actually never even heard of it until your comment. 😅
Sounds interesting so I'm going to look into that lol. Thanks for the recommendation!
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u/Proof-Doctor1546 28d ago
it could also be your hardware problem (psu, motherboard, gpu etc.) , try to get into the bios menu and just wait there. if there's still crashes then it's your hardware if no crashes it's just software issue (driver, windows, etc)
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u/AxelXyfer 28d ago
It wasn't crashing in BIOS, but I did start swapping hardware to rule things out. PSU first, then next would have been motherboard, then GPU.
As I mentioned in a few other comments, while researching similar issues I came across people talking about Windows silently installing its own drivers in the background. After cleaning everything up, I’m pretty confident that was the actual cause.
Somehow I had a huge scrambled spaghetti mess of conflicting drivers, with Windows and AMD basically fighting each other. And I have a feeling it's a very common issue, hence the post. It's already helped a lot of people, so I'm happy ^_^
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u/Electronic_Area6595 28d ago
Last week my monitor keeps looping when it goes into standby mode I’ve done kinda of troubleshooting 7900xtx with Samsung 57. Never had any issues for 2 years until now
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u/mlgmehad 28d ago
I’ve not updated my PC for awhile to the newest windows months probably & I’ve decided to do it only now and my PC crashes now every once in awhile think I might just go back to a previous save point and wait until windows is stable for my setup.
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u/DimensionSenior2510 28d ago
I have an RX 7600, and ive been running 26.2.2 drivers which are mostly stable for me except when I try to play Rainbow Six Siege, which just starts normally, and then crashes after 10 minutes of playtime.. but I guess that doesn't sound like drivers conflicting with each other, does it?
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u/WaywardSon78 28d ago
My first AMD gpu and mothing but headache. 9080xt and constant driver time out with UE5 games. I hope this works.
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u/AxelXyfer 27d ago edited 27d ago
Update:
Well, I had another crash, but this time it was a little different...
While playing Marvel Rivals with YouTube running on my second monitor, I alt-tabbed between the game/Discord and used Win + Shift + S to take a screenshot. The second monitor turned mostly grey (around 80% of the screen), then the driver crashed and recovered on it's own, actually a first.
After about 2 minutes or so, Windows recovered normally, but AMD said a restart was required to restore full graphics acceleration.
AMD popups:
- "AMD Software detected that a driver timeout has occurred"
- "AMD Crash Defender has detected an issue with your display driver"
I have now done a full DDU cleanup:
- Booted into Safe Mode
- Used DDU with no internet connection
- Installed AMD driver 26.3.1 fresh
- No previous profiles/settings imported, (except for fan curve and turning off zero rpm)
Currently back up and running. Going to test everything at stock and see if the issue returns again...
Going to be honest, kind of stumped right now.
I was originally suspecting 26.6.1 anyway, so moving to 26.3.1 is hopefully more stable.
Will update as time passes. If anyone has any ideas for me to try, hit me up :)
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u/AxelXyfer 27d ago
Ah, it almost immediately crashed straight after.
I installed 26.3.1 as mentioned, and then booted up rivals to start caching shaders.
Driver timedout again same as before and recovered itself again during caching.
I actually hit the windows key and it immediately froze.Feel like I'm back to square one.
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u/Texaros 27d ago
Have you xmp enabled on you ram
If yes that may cause the crashes if your ram is not 100% stable at its settings.
This is especially true with AMD drives since they follow the rule 100% while nvidia drivers will actually ignore it unless its very bad.
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u/AxelXyfer 27d ago
I do have XMP enabled, running 4x8gb DDR4-3600.
It's a good point though, I hadn't considered RAM stability as a possible cause...That said, the crashes I'm seeing are specifically GPU driver timeouts (LiveKernelEvent 141/117, AMD Crash Defender triggering, monitors dropping out), so I'm now I'm thinking it might actually be the gpu dying?
I might be upgrading in the coming months anyway, so if it's still unstable with a new card, or even this card gets really bad again like it was before; I will try turning XMP off.
Weird how it's worked for a long time and then all of a sudden that could be the issue? I don't understand that tbh 😅
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u/ImFrazle 27d ago
I’ve had issues, not to your extent, but constant issues nevertheless. Recently I’ve had both generic “Adrenaline Driver timeout” messages as well as freezing, followed by black screens. It usually happens on Discord and Chrome/Firefox of all things.
I posted a while ago in this sub and I was rightfully called out for having a similar setup to yours (4x8GB DDR4), but running at 4000Mhz. I’ve built PCs for a while now but I’d neglected how this setup could have been stressing the memory controller, board etc. After I was schooled, I decided to disable XMP and lowered the frequency to 3600, but the problems still continue to this day.
My next step will be to DDU, update the BIOS, reinstall Windows and swap my RAM out for x2 duel channel 16GB 3600Mhz sticks. Fortunately DDR4 isn’t too expensive so I don’t feel like too much of a ‘whale’ for throwing money at it. My RAM appears healthy though (passes all the mem tests I lob at it) and I only started encountering these issues around the time 26.3.1 released (in conjunction with when I first played Crimson Desert).
I too am at a loss really. I see a lot of people on Windows 11 report these issues, so I do wonder if this is the root of it really. It seems to have really picked up in this sub over the past few months so I’m hoping it’ll be formally investigated at some stage.
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u/Shinzyft 27d ago edited 25d ago
I experienced random restart when my computer was on idle state or if I only use chrome and other software. But every time I play games, it never restart. Do you think this process will get rid of my problem? I checked the event system logs and I got whea errors.
I changed processor,motherboard, ram,psu and even the cooler. The random restart and whea error still exist.
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u/Apprehensive_Ad6332 24d ago
I've read multiple people complaining about driver errors and shit when they swap teams or even updating.
I did the normal DDU on a custom W11 with no Windows Update b4 switching 1650 to 6700XT and it was just as good as expected. Maybe this is what torments people.
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u/Powerful-Ad-791 23d ago
I bought my 9070xt 1 year ago. Had a RTX 2080 Ti before. I used DDU to swap drivers.
The 9070xt worked flawless for 9 months, then i had an insane amount of crashes, visual gliches and standby problems where the pc is not recovering.
I tested everything an nothing worked, then i switched to an older driver version and disabled auto updates. Never had a problem since, runs like day 1 again. Idk if i should ne reliefed that the problems are now gone or mad cause how tf can there be so many problems with this driver and it not being aknowledged by amd. I never had any problem with nvidia since i got my first card. But also thats a very subjectiv view. Im sure there are people who have problems with nvidia and not with amd
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u/gavstar27 23d ago edited 23d ago
Hi can I ask what driver version you switched to? I'm having the same issue on my 9070xt for weeks now and ive tried just about everything I can think of to get it to work with the current driver with no luck. Ive got one more thing I wanna try before going to an older graphics driver but theres a 80% chance its not gonna work so I just thought I would ask.
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u/Powerful-Ad-791 23d ago
25.12 worked for me but i also read some people who had to switch to even older versions like. 25.7 or even 25.1
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u/gavstar27 20d ago
thank you so much, I ended up rolling back to 25.12 and that seemed to fix the issue. I love the 9070XT but the drivers are the worst.
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u/Apprehensive_Ad6332 23d ago
Ima just disable auto update lol i've seen driver issues a lot so just to assure stability i'll disable updates in Adrenalin too
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u/AlphaNoir98 24d ago
Does this disable every driver update? Is there a way to just prevent it from updating GPU drivers?
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u/bubzish 18d ago
anyone randomly unable to open adrenaline app? it would prompt me to download latest + compatible driver versions from amd website
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u/jperkinss94 15d ago
I’ve had instances where it wouldn’t open up for me but that was a couple months ago. Now it opens fine. Couldn’t figure out why. Was so annoying
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u/CollarImportant 16d ago
yeah I was having all sorts of crazy problems a tiny bit similar to yours... there would be PC restarts that happen during unity vrchat avatar uploads halfway through its compilation process... long drawn out shut downs taking forever or just stuck on halfway turning off... but could be from windows doing indexing after long vrchat sessions.. and sometimes it would slow to a crawl and freeze. omg... event viewer only could detect that Nvidia drivers somehow were failing. that's all I could gather.
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u/Artistic-Matter5617 11d ago
Disable updates for windows. That’s it. At least for me
And btw windows will show you all the updates it makes… for graphics.. just go to windows update in settings and see what u can find. Sometimes you can uninstall and also do a system restore point, but that’s if ur at ur last resort
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u/Hi_im_Duvakiin 9d ago
Alternatively just disconnect your pc from the internet before returning from safe mode
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u/Soft-Yak4037 8d ago
After newest update AMD drivers crash and freeze my screen damn you AMD probably time to stop update it and windows also
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u/Dense_Adagio_745 7d ago
its windows messing it up. i was on 26.8.1 since release till the latest windows update, not a single crash. once i updated windows, minimum 10 crashes a day. amd is fine, windows is the problem. always has been. they love to overwrite amd drivers or do some weird trickery that completely boofs amd's installs. im so sick of it.
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u/ApprehensiveWash1061 8d ago edited 7d ago
Hi, I have tried all these and it still doesn't work.
I rerolled to ver 26.1.1 and the thing still happen:
Black screen - No signal, 10s or a few minutes in a game (Path of Exile 1, Warframe). When I'm just surfing the web, it doesn't crash. The GPU is still powered, with fans and RGB.
I have to hard shutdown everytime, the GPU driver is always missing and needs to be reinstalled.
EDIT:
my situation might not be a driver problem: my GPU sometimes loses power when the "black screen - no signal" happen.
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u/skinnytallguyy 3d ago edited 3d ago
Your PSU might be the problem here. Since you mentioned that it only happens when gaming, those transient spike might be the culprit.
I've had the same problem, and it bugged me for weeks. Happened on both W10 and W11.
Temporary solution that I've had is to do a driver only install, and use MSI Afterburner for control. Also, you might wanna check your PSU cable connection to the Graphic Card, if possible do not use daisy chained cable for power. And make sure the Graphic Card is properly seated and inserted.
Limit any graphic intensive usage, if you want to game, try using the lowest settings and cap the frame rate to max 30-45.
If it crashes, do a proper removal of driver (DDU) and make sure to do SFC and DISM on Windows. And then restart. If the fan is spinning during restart, then it might last for a while.
One thing I've noticed when it crashes is that everytime the PC crashes (no signal, black screen), I've not had proper fan response during restarts. So might worth a look.
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u/Narrow-Ideal177 4d ago
I follow one and another tips and trick to fix crash on some games(new games with unreal engine), but not one is working, (fortunately my rx 7600 didnt crash like yours and the other). From SAM off, tdrdelay, windows update not install driver, etc. it frustating and the latest tip is install adrenalin then uninstall it without ddu or amdcleanup. The latest driver is still intact. Only the MF adrenalin that gone. From first impression it look works, preset high/ultra not crashing like before. But till the time it'll tell. Crossfinger
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u/rethoric 3d ago
Biggest fix for me was switching to Linux.
Microsoft releases so many updates that it bricked my GPU, pausing updates for 6 weeks seemed to help for a while…
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u/ZeX450 Ryzen 7 5700X3D | 32GB DDR4 | RX 6700 XT 3d ago
It's just enough that you disconnect from the internet during DDU + Safe Mode process. You don't need to mess with the registry and all this nonsense. It can create new issues later in future driver updates over AMD Manager and Windows Updates in cumulative packages.
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u/SebastianD334 1d ago
A couple months ago I did exactly that and my GPU drivers are crashing again (they were fine for a week or two), and even more frequently than before. (about 4 times per day at this point)
I'm gonna try this guide tomorrow and hopefully it finally fixes these issues for me.
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u/El_Nino97 1d ago
OP, you still crashing?
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u/AxelXyfer 1d ago
Nope, everything has been solid.
My issue at least, is exactly as I described, fully windows being windows ^_^2
u/El_Nino97 1d ago
Thanks for the quick reply. Fellow AMD crash enjoyer here. Are there any steps in your post that may seem unnecessary? Did you do anything else besides those? I saw your comment in one of the replies that you were still crashing afterwards
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u/AxelXyfer 1d ago
Oh yes I was! Sorry I forgot about that!
I did everything again, and it was still crashing, again.
I tried patching windows using cmd as usual.So I used the basic common commands in cmd as admin:
DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealthand
sfc /scannowand then restarted.
There were corrupted files, and things have been 100% since!
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u/El_Nino97 1d ago
I had driver timeouts within day 1 of installing the card, but managed to fix it somehow by uninstalling, reinstalling drivers like 100 times, probably the last one was without internet connection, hence why it was stable for a long time. However, I started getting crashes again a couple months ago. Will try clean reinstalling again. What exact GPU and PSU do you have? Daisy chained or separate power cables?
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u/AxelXyfer 1d ago
I'm using an RX 6750 XT (ASUS ROG strix), and my PSU is the ASUS TUF Gaming 1000W. I'm using two separate PCIe power cables, I would strongly advise avoiding daisy chaining PCIe cables as much as you can ^_^'
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u/El_Nino97 1d ago
Mine's Sapphire Pulse 7900 XTX and Corsair RM850x, unfortunately I had to daisy chain, because the card has 3 PCIE ports, while the PSU was supplied with only 2 daisy chain cables. I ordered some from cablemod, to see if three separate cables help, though it's unlikely.
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u/iDanzaiver 12h ago
I have been trying to make a habit of running a System File Check every single time I run Windows Update at this point, the last time I updated I forgot to do that...
I have been getting some GPU driver crashes and weird jittering/sound glitches for about a month (since 26.7.1 basically) Windows updated on Aug 22nd and I push back updates the maximum allowed 5 weeks so these were the updates from July.
Did a scan last night and ofc, corrupted files. Ran DISM to be safe, seems to be working for now. Also ran OOSU10 and it seems during the last update around mid-August (for me) they re-enabled some of the Copilot functions (and added new ones, oh joy...)
Were I a betting man I would say Copilot + Recall, along with Windows re-enabling previously disabled things like downloading drivers through WU is causing a lot of bugs to happen on the GPU side. I am not an expert on Copilot since I hate that shit but isn't Recall some feature that screencaps your monitor without your consent at regular intervals or something?
Edit: last night I did a full DDU clean, followed by chipset and GPU driver reinstalls as well as running OOSU10 and SFC+DISM, so now I'm in the testing phase and hopefully this fixed it. Until Microsoft breaks it again.
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u/Zafkiel0247 12h ago
The most frustrating thing for me is to escape from boot looping this blackscreen. How do you do it? I tried countless hard shutdown, sometimes the bios logo appears in a mere second b4 it goes black screen again, sometimes it managed to get normal.... Just lemme out from this blackscreen of hell please
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u/Aecnoril 27d ago
Make sure you set your minimum CPU state to 100% in your Windows Power Plan.
This will not cause your CPU to always run at 100%, it will just leave power management to the motherboard and CPU. Leaving this to anything other than 100% causes Windows to wrestle control from the motherboard, crash your core, and then the AMD driver thinks it causes the problem and takes the blame.
Fixed crashes for my 9070xt 100%, I haven't had one after changing this about 5 months ago.
Windows is just vibe-coded now