r/ArsenalWFC • u/conceited212 • 12h ago
3-4-3
Does anyone ever wonder like me if a back 3 will suit our current players better in terms of attacking not defending because I think Renee and the coaches have made us better against transitions but I feel like if we had wing backs it would suit our players better..
just a thought don’t shoot me lol.
Edit: it should be
RUSSO
LIV MARIONA/BAUM
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u/ClampGawd_ 12h ago
Not a chance. Youre telling Stanway to stay in a box, youre playing Baum, Kelly out of position. Youre asking injury prone Leah and older Catley to run more, and Mariona hasnt been amazing in the 10. Plays better a bit deeper imo
Its not fifa
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u/conceited212 12h ago edited 11h ago
FYI Baum played lb and lwb for up to a full seasons for leipzig and Hamburg occasionally played lb for Germany youth teams
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u/ClampGawd_ 12h ago
Yes, and has now been proven to be at her best as a winger
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u/conceited212 12h ago
She can play as a winger in any of those positions it is basically a front three just like how Chelsea men set up
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u/ClampGawd_ 12h ago
Chelsea men have Rogers and Palmer tucked in as CAMs more than wingers. Similar to Amorims system. The wingbacks provide the width. Those positions are both similar enough to what Rogers and Palmer already were. Baum isnt the only problem here, I completely disagree with you saying this plays to our strengths. I dont think it does at all.
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u/conceited212 12h ago
Fine, I just think Mariona and Baum can literally do that role, watched Baum for a while now and she loves to play in the pockets same as Mariona,
it depends on how you platform them we literally have loads of players that can play behind the striker and this formation gets the best out of Liv imo she is literally central where I think her best position is
Mariona Baum Liv as options for the two behind the striker even add Reuteler to that list
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u/No_Tomorrow6219 12h ago
Why would you put Fox at left centre back and left wing for that matter.
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u/conceited212 12h ago
How’s that left wing that’s literally wing back
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u/katesbush_ Na-na, na-na, na-na, na-na, na, na, now 12h ago
The point is that she plays on the right
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u/MesquiteHoneyForSale Play Foxy at leftback Emma 11h ago
she has played huge amounts of left back in her career, shes very two footed
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u/conceited212 12h ago
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u/burnman317 7h ago
She’s literally the RB for the USWNT and always has been. She literally was RB in college and NWSL.
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u/conceited212 7h ago
She played lb for nccourage for almost a whole season (18plus games) right before we signed her I still remember the discussions when people on here was arguing if she is a lb or rb and most people said she was Lb and why are we signing her when we have McCabe…. If I remember correctly I think weinroither just ruptured her acl
She was literally drafted as a lb by racing Louisville as a left back.. I went through some of all the line ups in her early lineups and basically all her lineups before Arsenal she has about 40-45 starts as a left back
Her first five games for uswnt she played as a LB in 4 of them
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u/burnman317 5h ago
Your argument is she played 18 games at RB in a career of being a RB. Cool, good luck in your fake coaching careers
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u/conceited212 4h ago
She played 40/45 games as a Lb how is that not enough evidence and fyi she is starting Lb for Arsenal on Sunday
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u/conceited212 4h ago
lol her whole pro career in USA before moving to Arsenal was at Lb do you even know the player at all or you just want to argue
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u/dococ23 Stanway 11h ago
I think a back 3 overcorrects our back line at the expense of our attacking strengths.
Last season our defensive record was actually very solid, and that was with Leah and Katie being unavailable for most of the season. Our primary issue was chance creation and goal scoring, that’s where the title was lost. We have a healthier back line and greater depth when Katie returns. I think we’d all like to see a unicorn left-footed CB with height and strength, but the back 4 system will work for us.
In a back three you’d force Mariona to play more advanced box crashing role, which she hasn’t done her entire time at the club, and move Russo to an off-center wing-forward. You could make Russo the central midfielder-forward, but you’d have to sacrifice one of Kim, Mariona, or Stanway. And since you need wingbacks, you are pushing Olivia, Lisa, or Chloe more centrally when their strengths are geared towards finding space both inside and out towards the touch line, then finding Russo/Stina and multiple midfielders in the middle with cutbacks and crosses.
Basically it negates our offensive strengths to correct a defensive issue that doesn’t really exist, as of now.
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u/conceited212 11h ago edited 11h ago
I don’t believe livs position is out wide, in my opinion we need to get her closer to the goal her best run of form for us came when she was playing down the middle and if I am not mistaken most of livs goal last season came in those half spaces close to the goal where a number 10 would be playing in 3-4-3 formation
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u/dococ23 Stanway 11h ago
Also keeping Liv more central, which allows opposing CBs to limit her spaces, rather than out wide in space where she can maximize her speed and 1v1 ability against fullbacks, is wild.
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u/conceited212 11h ago
Olivia smith first goal against lcl is why I think her best position is centrally Liverpool did that too Same as sporting Lisbon she has quick feet and you can get your shot off easily centrally compared to being double marked on the wings, goals against Everton, Liverpool too came from that spot she would get occupy as a 10 in that formation
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u/katesbush_ Na-na, na-na, na-na, na-na, na, na, now 12h ago
Is this a troll?
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u/shlj74 Reid 1h ago
I think it can work, but as a 3-3-3-1 rather than 3-4-3 that is too defensive
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u/conceited212 1h ago
This is the kinda ball alonso plays with this excat formation I think we have the players to mirror the way they used it at Leverkusen abd now at Chels
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u/silentupvote2 Russo 12h ago
4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3
DVD, Fox, Williamson, Catley/ Lotte, Ona, Little/KCC, Stanway, Olivia, Mariona, Chloe, Russo
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u/AdConsistent8210 12h ago
Maybe in a world where there was tactical flexibility but Renee has shown that she will stick to 4-2-3-1 regardless
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u/conceited212 12h ago
Made a mistake in the arrangement of the players should be Liv and Mariona behind Russo… but it could easily work … back 3 would hide our flaws better imo
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u/Life_Journalist_2195 Skincare supremacy Emily Fox 12h ago
Would like to hear responsibility of each position, especially the Russo position.
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u/conceited212 12h ago
Made a mistake in the arrangement Russo should be up top and Liv and Mariona behind or Liv and Baum
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u/Life_Journalist_2195 Skincare supremacy Emily Fox 11h ago
That'd make it hard to evaluate with just position info, especially the formation consume 3 CBs where we are currently short on.
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u/conceited212 11h ago
With a back 3 you can easily play rb in cb and it won’t look out of place because they have to defend wide a lot more than in a back 2
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u/MesquiteHoneyForSale Play Foxy at leftback Emma 12h ago
no, get me a 10 feeding three attackers and we move
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u/conceited212 12h ago
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u/MesquiteHoneyForSale Play Foxy at leftback Emma 12h ago
i know ppl are down on the 4231 but i think its good and drillable. keep teh two cbs, two deep mids, very simple
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u/conceited212 12h ago
Oh I love a 4-2-3-1 but I feel we have players best suited for wing backs roles
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u/MesquiteHoneyForSale Play Foxy at leftback Emma 11h ago
nah i think we just have elite fullbacks, period
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u/conceited212 11h ago
Liv scores double digit if we get her closer to the goal is what I am gonna keep saying having her stuck on the touchline isn’t her strength, she literally scored majority of her goals for us in those pockets she would play in a 3-4-3











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u/Berre66 12h ago
Nah