r/BurningMan 10h ago

RAIN AGAIN ?

I know it’s like sacrilegious to talk about this. But honestly. How many years in a row is it gonna rain and storm before they decide to just move it off playa. Seriously. Do you enjoy putting in that much work for it to just be nightmare weather all the time now ? I know this is gonna set some people off. Please by all means. Go off. Someone had to say it. 2000, 2007, 2010, 2015, 2023, 2025, 2026. This pattern is becoming more frequent. THE ENVIRONMENT IS CHANGING PEOPLE. CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL. At what point do you have to adapt before people stop wanting to come to this event all together ?

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u/Augii Do we really need a theme? 10h ago

The climate has changed. Sierra backpackers and climbers have known this. Late summer Arizona monsoonal weather patterns have been creeping north for a while now

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u/loquacious 3h ago

In addition to climate change and trends, there's also long term historical weather trends and cycles that include regular flooding.

All of those dry lakebeds in the Southwestern deserts are historical floodplains, and sometimes historical inland seas, and dry lake beds are only dry lake beds right now and if they didn't regularly flood on geologic timescales they wouldn't exist.

There are records of mass flooding events and mega monsoons in the Southwest in relatively recent history in the 100 to 1000 year scale.

As Burning Man goes on it's really only a matter of time before there is a major rain and flood capable of putting the playa under inches or even feet of water.

And it can happen in a hurry, and be difficult to predict.

I used to live in the high desert and a couple of times a year the local dry lakes would fill up from localized thunderstorms and monsoons, and a perfectly dry lake could be 2 feet deep in a few hours and deep enough to go wading around in and even float a little.

Having something as shallow as a foot of standing water suddenly show up in BRC would probably be a massive disaster and would likely result in causalities from electrical shocks, structures pulling out stakes and collapsing, emergencies going untreated, sanitation and god knows what else. Driving would be impossible save for the hardiest of vehicles.

You wouldn't be just wading through a foot of water like it was a nice beach or pool, because there would be another half a foot or foot of silt and mud under that to slog through.

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u/wolfbear ahoo! 2h ago

Username checks out

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u/SolarWind777 55m ago

Good point!

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u/loquacious 9m ago

Yeah I don't mean to be a doomer, just pointing out the historical record of known flooding.

If anything the burn has gotten off relatively lucky in 40 years that there hasn't been a really major weather event like flooding the playa deep enough for it to be a serious problem and not just a muddy pain in the ass.

A few inches to a foot of snow wouldn't be great, either.

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u/ufotheater 5h ago

The rains will continue until the climate improves

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u/TheBalloonEffect 4h ago

Pretty sure if Climate was absolutely perfect and not all fucked up it would be raining there a whole lot more than it does now

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u/ufotheater 4h ago

I guess I'm just speaking from my own experience, but I was there 7 times in the late 90s - early 2000s and I only remember it raining once

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u/ohhnoodont 3h ago

Not that long ago the entire area was under a giant lake. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Lahontan

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u/ufotheater 2h ago

Coincidentally I spent a few trips camping with Lahontan Korps, a suburb of Gigsville.

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u/Silent_J 10h ago

It barely rained in 2007, and if you are going to count that then you should put 2008 on the list since it rained more that year (though still not much). Of the times I've been it has rained more times than it hasn't

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u/snow-vs-starbuck 9h ago

And it definitely didn't rain in 2015. Cold as shit and I got sandblasted to dolphin smooth skin, but definitely no rain.

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u/FlyingMamMothMan 4h ago

2015 was the year it dropped to freezing temperatures every night, it was awful. Definitely no rain.

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u/fucking_unicorn ‘12 ‘13 ‘14 ‘15 ‘16 ‘17 ‘18 ‘19 ‘21 ‘22 3h ago

Freezing man!

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u/DisingenuousTowel 2009 - 2019, 2021 3h ago

I think it rained hard Sunday night.

That could be 2014 though.

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u/-phototrope 3h ago

It was early morning Monday in 2014, my first year. I felt a little discharge of lightning go through me. Very memorable first morning on the playa.

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u/DisingenuousTowel 2009 - 2019, 2021 3h ago

Yes, 2014. That was my wife's first night/morning on playa.

And the FIRST time I decided to say "fuck it" do the rain fly tomorrow.

God damn it...

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u/FortuneGrouchy4701 FuckYeah 9h ago

Not sure if was 2015 or 2014, but yes, they closed the gate for several hours on the day opening. Was raining in the morning.

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u/doctor-yes '10-'24 / Burn.Life 5h ago

2014, Monday morning.

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u/FewWrangler5475 3h ago

Definitely 2014! I'll never forget it cuz it was my second burn and I got in late Sunday and then it started raining shortly after we setup and no one was able to come in for an entire day. The whole city didn't really get built until Weds and it was windy as fuck the rest of the week. 2015 was windy and sunny and cold 😂 mud burn is still my fave though! Such a fun mess that was!!! Loved being "stuck"

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u/zmann 59m ago

It rained for 5 minutes. I remember wanting to cry because it was Wednesday-ish and I was at my wits end trying to acclimate and then suddenly felt the drops and thought I’d get stuck across the Playa from my camp. But it was all good and every day after that was smashing

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u/PapaTua ◢◤☆◥◣ 9h ago

In 2008 wind was more of the problem. We had multiple 12 hour gale white outs that year and the playa was impassable.

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u/Silent_J 9h ago

Yeah that was the year they had to wait for a break in the storms to burn the man. They cancelled Conclave and burned the man real quick before the dust storms kicked back up again. Good times

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u/PapaTua ◢◤☆◥◣ 8h ago edited 8h ago

That was also the year they expanded the city and widened the inner playa by 30%. That was a disaster they didn't repeat. It could've worked if the playa wasn't so unbikable.

2008 was cursed in multiple ways. Heh. Fuck yer Burn!

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u/Bitter_Currency_6714 5h ago

It rained in 2012 also, I remember because it was my first burn. It wasn’t much but it definitely made things wet overnight.

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u/GreenHairyMartian 10m ago

2007 had just enough rain for the DOIBLE RAINBOW ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY!

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u/Token_Ese 7h ago

Anyway, like I was sayin', fairy shrimp is the fruit of the playa. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, fairy shrimp-kabobs, fairy shrimp creole, fairy shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple fairy shrimp, lemon fairy shrimp, coconut fairy shrimp, pepper fairy shrimp, fairy shrimp soup, fairy shrimp stew, fairy shrimp salad, fairy shrimp and potatoes, fairy shrimp burger, fairy shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it.

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u/loquacious 3h ago

You forgot boofin' it.

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u/Token_Ese 2h ago

Oh yeah, sorry.

You can huff it, puff it, snuff it; boof it, goof it, slam it, jam it; micro dose, macro dose; you get something out of ‘ em when you eat ‘em, smell ‘em, taste ‘em, touch ‘em, you can’t get much out of hearing ‘em though.

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u/RealityGrill 10h ago

Don't forget 2014!

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u/upful187 8h ago

Spent 23 hours rain-stopped exactly 101 cars from Gate

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u/Czechs_out 5h ago

I was there! It was my first burn. They called us “Camp Yellow Line”

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u/Suck_It__Trabek 1h ago

Was there too. When the Rangers shut it down, some Ausies got a brand new generator, speakers, and DJ decks (all opened out of the box) and spun on their RV.

It was glorious!

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u/rynoxmj 9 times to that dusty place. 8h ago

I think OP may have mixed up 14 and 15, I don't remember rain in 15?

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u/snow-vs-starbuck 8h ago

Yeah they mixed them up. There was zero rain in 2015. That was the Freezing Man year.

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u/DestinTheLion 7h ago

That year was rough.

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u/Nahuel-Huapi 7h ago

2014 was the year someone got struck by lightning, and apparently never shut up about it.

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u/GuyNamedLindsey ‘10, ‘11, ‘12, ‘13, ‘14, ‘27 6h ago

In all fairness I too would not stfu about it.

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u/TheMapesHotel 5h ago

No rain in 15 but the weather was a mess that year too with wind and freezing temps

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u/crumblenoob 8h ago

Watching the rain pelt down from our camp's box truck lounge was an amazing day.

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u/Nightman233 10h ago

Is it raining? I heard there was rain Friday but that's all

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u/_meestir_ 9h ago

It’s supposed to be hard. If it wasn’t hard everyone would do it. The hard is what makes it great. - Jimmy Dugan

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u/shiwenbin 7h ago

True, but mud burn nearly broke my spirit. I don’t think it’s supposed to be that hard.

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u/sm9k3y 6h ago

I had a great time in 23, and I had just torn my mincus 2 weeks prior, so that extra mud did cause me some pain, but no shows fixed that. And at least there wasn't any dust and I could shower at will, cause I definitely needed it, haha.

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u/milehighclurb 4h ago

Mud Burn was its own purposeful experience for me in real-time, and in hindsight it has become my most rewarding/enjoyable year for me

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u/WayRough7769 7h ago

Ya but did you die???

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u/shiwenbin 6h ago

No, but I did get so sick I had to see an infectious disease specialist. Out of commission for almost a month!

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u/ImDubbinIt 5h ago

That’s the dumbest thing you could say to someone who’s talking about having their spirit broken. Read the room

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u/WayRough7769 5h ago

Haven’t seen the Hangover I assume, it was a joke relax

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u/blonde234 1h ago

Jokes should be funny. Hope that helps in the future although you seemingly have an empathy problem not a comedy problem.

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u/-phototrope 3h ago

We choose to go to the playa

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u/Bibijibzig 8h ago

I heard it’s going to be windy and dusty this year. Should the org consider moving it to a nice consistently flat and non-dusty surface like an asphalt blacktop?

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u/loquacious 3h ago

They should really put in an Applebee's and a Jiffy Lube at Center Camp.

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u/Intelligent_Toe_243 5h ago

Honestly, at this point, YEA LOL. Burning Man has become Coachella for people who think they’re above Coachella. I’m not sure the dust is preserving some sacred countercultural essence anymore,

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u/bonbot 4h ago

It weeds out the weak. Being engulfed by dust is part of the burn experience.

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u/DisingenuousTowel 2009 - 2019, 2021 3h ago

But the dust is though.

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u/Help_An_Irishman 9h ago

I'm surprised there hasn't been a hotter year to topple the "Hot Year" in 2022. That was my first and (so far) only burn, so I didn't have a frame of reference, but it seemed to take everyone by surprise how crazy the heat was.

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u/Felonious_Minx 8h ago

Did it get to 118° because I was out there years ago when it was?

Was like swimming through the air just to walk over to your cooler.

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u/Help_An_Irishman 8h ago

Yes! I had a large square cloth scarf thing and dunked it into my icy cooler and wrapped it around my head before biking to my first attempt to find Center Camp to check the Lost and Found and see if my phone had been found (lost it on the first or second night), and I got hopelessly lost and ended up way out on the opposite side of Black Rock City. It was awesome and I had a hell of an adventure, but I was out for most of the day, and that cold wrap probably saved me from passing out.

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u/Felonious_Minx 8h ago

Welcome to "I'll be right back!"

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u/brylikestrees ZenZoo 23, Foam Home 22 6h ago

Yes, I saw readings of 117-120° under a shade structure in '22. I had a swamp cooler in a shift pod, and woke up with my body in a complete panic. The inside of the tent was a humid 90° and the dry heat outside just felt like an oven. Cooling off was a whole operation and I felt like ass for a whole day where I couldn't get enough electrolytes and liquid into my body to keep up with how much I had lost and was continuing to sweat out.

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u/fucking_unicorn ‘12 ‘13 ‘14 ‘15 ‘16 ‘17 ‘18 ‘19 ‘21 ‘22 3h ago

Think that was 2017! I remember being so hot venturing out simply failed. Turned around and I ended up laying in the shade all day at camp.

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u/IsItBurn 8h ago

That was my first year on DPW and at Burn, everyone was talking about the heat! Weirdly enough it didn’t really bother me all that much and I kinda sorta enjoyed that and the wild whiteouts we got that year. Sitting on top of one of our LCs with headphones and goggles on, just soaking up that dusty madness and getting exfoliated will always be a fond memory.

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u/myfakename23 '17, '18, '19, '22, '23, '24, '25 6h ago

2017 (my first year) was a sneak preview of that. Multiple builders from my camp got to visit Rampart because of heat exhaustion.

Drink water and take electrolytes, hippies! Try not to do maximum build during peak sun! Nights are your friend!

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u/crevassier 9h ago

What's wrong with rain during Burning Man? If you want perfect weather go visit San Diego.

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u/LoudRevolution9163 9h ago

I thought the forecast was supposed to be good this week. Did it rain or is it going to?

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u/WayRough7769 10h ago

Sounds like burning man isn’t for you anymore.
Stay home and work on climate change

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u/myfakename23 '17, '18, '19, '22, '23, '24, '25 9h ago

Do you enjoy putting in that much work for it to just be nightmare weather all the time now ?

If I wanted to go to Electric Daisy Carnival, or Las Vegas, I know where those places and events are.

Heck, I can attend all kinds of regionals where the local environment is not trying to actively kill me.

"But the environment in the Black Rock Desert is harsh-" whooosh, the point just went past you, if you hurry you might catch up.

At what point do you have to adapt before people stop wanting to come to this event all together ?

Why is it a big deal if nobody actually wants to show up, as long as you aren't The Org™ trying to make a buck so you don't financially collapse?

(While I don't actively dislike The Org™ the fact that they have Numbers™ to hit is not my fucking problem. If the event and culture has to change because we've hit Peak Attendance already and now that's in the rear view mirror, then let it change. Think Fourth of Juplaya or Rogue Burns.)

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u/maeryclarity Technohippie 8h ago

 Numbers™ is freakin' hilarious

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u/mathysva 7h ago

In 2010 it rained for 3

minutes max 😂😂😂

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u/Chicago_Tim 6h ago

Mud man was my and my spouse’s favorite year.

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u/PrimeIntellect 3h ago

Extreme weather is like half the point, not eating molly with influencers on art cars

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u/PizzaWall 8h ago edited 8h ago

Oh newbies, you’re so cute when you run around freaking out about a little rain, like it’s never happened in the history of Black Rock Desert.

First off, a little rain controls the dust that every one of you creates. Driving in, walking around, you break free dried mud which becomes airborne in wind. Rain helps control that dust.

What you may not realize It always rains in Northern Nevada in September. when the event happens in August, you miss most of it. But if you are on Playa after Labor Day, you can expect rainstorms. If it rains enough and the Quinn River floods the play and temporarily recreates Lake Lahontan, it helps make the plays surface hard and relatively dust-free. It’s the years where Lake Lahontan does not appear are the dusty ones.

Currently, rain is coming in from the west coast from weather disturbances from Hurricane Karina and soon from Tropical Storm Marie. In the Gulf of Mexico, Tropical Storm Edouard is coming ashore in Texas and could head on its current track towards the event. That’s less likely, but still on the horizon to shake up weather in the Western United States.

This is why the survival guide suggests to prepare for rain, high winds and other factors from incomng weather events.

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u/cosmic_sheriff Practice Sustainable Jackassery 6h ago

Snow during resto is magic.

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u/PizzaWall 6h ago

Stop gloating!

I have stopped by Gerlach a few times after the event and enjoyed the atmosphere, enjoyed the Black Rock Saloon, Miners Club and obviously Brunos. What I really enjoyed was the people sticking it through to the end. Its a sense of community that disappears once build week starts and slowly emerges after the event ends.

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u/Intelligent_Toe_243 5h ago

holy mansplain

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u/Parasitoid 10h ago

I hope it rains everyday

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u/Intelligent_Toe_243 10h ago

RAIN MAN

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u/IsItBurn 8h ago

Hopefully on the way to BRC that everyone went to K-Mart…

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u/GuyNamedLindsey ‘10, ‘11, ‘12, ‘13, ‘14, ‘27 6h ago

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u/shiwenbin 7h ago

You did not attend mud burn!

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u/DisingenuousTowel 2009 - 2019, 2021 3h ago

I have plenty of friends who loved mudman

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u/shiwenbin 2h ago

Yeah I’ve heard both sides. Some people best burn ever. Others, enough to close down a camp that had been coming since the 90s (RIP leopard lounge). Stoked for the people who had a great time wish I was w them!

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u/shiwenbin 2h ago

Yeah I’ve heard both sides. Some people best burn ever. Others, enough to close down a camp that had been coming since the 90s (RIP leopard lounge). Stoked for the people who had a great time wish I was w them!

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u/FlatImpression755 8h ago

If someone is complaining about the weather this year they are a fucking cry baby. It's been about perfect. If anything a little hotter even would be nice.

Is there another sub for actual burners that are going to cry in their corn flakes 5 times a day on reddit.

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u/xSPACEWEEDx STDprovider 7h ago

The people downvoting you crack me up. I hope all the soft people move on from this and do something else.

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u/mbssc86 8h ago

It can’t rain all the time.

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u/groovemonkey Since '99 6h ago

Eric?

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u/K_a_R_i_T_a 7h ago

🥺🥺🥺

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u/onesaltybeachh 4h ago

Adapt or don’t go ? 🫣

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u/bluegabs 1h ago

Maybe the point is so they do stop coming.

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u/tsuni95 10h ago

I mean, not knowing how to deal with rain and trying not to flee the playa seems like a bit of a skill issue. 🫣 I’m more concerned about heat-related illnesses rather than rain; heat is a bit more difficult to adapt to than shelter/party in place.

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u/shiwenbin 7h ago

Tell that to the literally 20+ big stwong twux that were abandoned in the mud trying to escape the 2023 burn (after BIRN clearly stated all it would do is make things worse for everyone else). Every single one of them thought, “oh but MY big strong truck is big and strong enough to escape” and theeeen it ended up in big stwong twuck graveyard and their “skilled” drivers had to ask their neighbors for help, tails between their legs.

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u/tsuni95 7h ago

I’m good on that; I can't help folks who decided they know better than the authorities and organizations who advised against traveling during that weather event.

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u/Pack_Your_Trash 8h ago

Rain is the best thing for burning man. It scares off the live streaming Instagram sparkle ponies. Let them serve as a warning to others.

Also, get off your fucking phone.

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u/thelaceserpent I'm a sparkle pony! 7h ago

2014 was my first year, and I for some reason thought it a good idea to bring galoshes. I still got stuck in the mud, but my feet’s were dry :3

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u/timshel42 The media sure loves the orgy angle 7h ago

I hope they move it not because of weather, but to private property so there arent a million cops watching and waiting for you to slip up. Blm land sucks.

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u/cyanescens_burn 3h ago

I bet Nevada would make a law requiring X number of LEO per attendee at events over Y people if they moved out. On top of the state adding new taxes or permits of some kind.

I could see LEO agencies getting salty about the loss of funds and going super hard on pull overs and searches on the way up to increase income from fines.

Things might take a while to reach some kind of equilibrium again, but I can’t help but think it’d be a whole big thing if they suddenly stopped getting their cut.

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u/Redlight911 6h ago

It cant change location.

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u/arabic_lawrence 6h ago

The amount of rain in 2007 was negligible but the double rainbow was nice. I was on playa in 2010 for 10-11 days and never saw any rain at all. Perfect weather as I recall.

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u/OneQuantity3150 6h ago

What rain?

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u/widelegstance 3h ago

The only time I went, 2010 it rained early in the week, enough so the gate was shut down for 6 hrs.

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u/drkh3art 1h ago

Gods must be crazy.

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u/ilikejameson 1h ago

Shut the fuck up. Weather is weather

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u/Venusesrainbow 9h ago

Is this a shitpost?

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u/cbj48 6h ago

More than the rain I can’t comprehend why for the price they pay in permit fees to the government why they don’t move it to private land. Don’t tell me that no one wants to make 4 million for land they aren’t really using and then be able to get all the LEO’s off

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u/starkraver radical banality 9h ago

Have to adapt what? The date? The location? What are you talking about?

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u/Prudent-Motor-5398 9h ago

Is it raining there now? We need update please

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u/neon_nebulas 8h ago

I mean we should really consider the impact of burning huge structures in the middle of highly impacted land during fire season but you don’t see anyone blinking an eye to change that too.

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u/cyanescens_burn 3h ago

They’ve cut down the number of pieces burned each year quite a bit it seems. Last year I can’t think of anything that burned besides the man and temple. Compared to those years they did the core burns with structures from different regions and then some other random stuff.

Also, it’s miles from the center of BRC to the shoreline where vegetation is.

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u/hokwei 8h ago

Where would you move it to?

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u/ComicCowboy1 7h ago

Go to Ultra Miami instead, good weather and probably more your crowd

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u/QuirkyForever Snarkle Pony 6h ago

It's part of the fun!

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u/jacksonr76 4h ago

wooosh! That is the sound of the entire point of BM going over your head.

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u/NoAwareness62 4h ago

I know it’s organized to fall around Labor day Weekend but maybe we should move it up a week or two into August…

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u/DisingenuousTowel 2009 - 2019, 2021 3h ago

You missed 2008 and 2014.

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u/Blestfromthewest 2h ago

Que llueva, que llueva
La Virgen de la Cueva
Los pajaritos cantan,
Las nubes se levantan.
¡Que sí, que no,
que caiga un tormenton⛈️

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u/Illustrious_Hat_5568 1h ago

I low key wish they switched to Late September.

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u/RonDoja 1h ago

You do realize it’s the fucking high desert right?

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u/tootoot__beepbeep 13m ago

Weather is weather lol chill

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u/calisnark 8h ago

Aren't there a substantial amount of attendees that are in such altered states they are almost oblivious to weather?

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u/cyanescens_burn 3h ago

Since like ‘10 I’ve only heard two or three stories of a person or small group that spent their entire burn in their tent or rv because they couldn’t step away from compulsive use.

Anyone goes out of their tent or RV will be faced with the reality of the environment.

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u/m00ph 2015 2017 9h ago

I want to bring a hovercraft, if it's muddy, I won't be lynched for kicking up dust.

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u/campaign4champagne 8h ago

Cloud seeding at its best