Learning OLL

[u/FortuneConnect6694]

I have been tubing for about 2 months. When I learned CFOP, I learned 2 look OLL because 57 algorithms was just too much. But now I'm fairly comfortable with that system and am wondering when/how I should make the switch.

Should I be concerned with getting my times to a certain benchmark? Should I try to learn all of the new algorithms at once? Or should I just slowly add in new algorithms?

[u/speedytrigger]

Completely up to you. I will get spurts of motivation and learn a few new ones in a week then go 6 months without. Some people have the motivation to learn all of the in a month. Just whatever speed you want at the end of the day

[u/Bright-Royal1946 → u/speedytrigger]

slowly adding them is the move, trying to cram all 57 at once is a fast track to mixing up algs mid-solve. I’d pick the worst cases from your 2-look setup and swap those first, the ones that feel clunky or take forever. you’ll see the biggest time drops early on and that keeps it fun

[u/Outrageous-Month5816 → u/speedytrigger]

I learned all the pll algs in a week and 1/2 when I finally decided to make the switch to cfop. It just takes tome motivation. Used to be at like 45 seconds. Easily got it done to 20 through 30 second solves.

[u/speedytrigger → u/Outrageous-Month5816]

Nice. I just dont have the motivation these days. Glad you got it in you lol.

[u/syzgod]

If I'm not wrong if you improve your cross and F2L speed you will get much better results than learning full OLL/PLL. In 30s distribution it's like C - 5s, F2L - 15s, OLL - 5s, PLL - 5s. Of course these numbers are just examples but you see the distribution. I think it's easier to improve the first 2 from my research. Far from an expert but that's what I saw others mention.

[u/Outrageous-Month5816 → u/syzgod]

How do you solve f2l intuitively with advanced f2l alg and faster algorithms that just don't make sense? I think that is the biggest issue I have as to why I can't get sub 20.

[u/Juniormint-33]

Its different for everyone. As a guy who likes to memorize algs, it took me roughly six months to learn them all.

I started with the dot cases, and then the easy to recognize cases. It's funny how many of the algs are just combos of ones you already know.

[u/CarbonMop]

2-look OLL can be extremely fast. There's really no reason to rush to learn full OLL (especially if you've only been cubing for 2 months).

When you do eventually start learning full OLL, don't feel like you have to switch all at once. You can slowly learn the cases one by one and incorporate them over time. Even when focusing on 2-look OLL, you tend to accidentally recognize what some full cases look like (even if you don't know how to solve them). So eventually you just get curious and learn them one by one.

[u/Little_Language_3867 → u/CarbonMop]

This

[u/usbcdocksaretrash]

the fastest you should learn the algs is one every 1-2 days. otherwise you won’t be able to retain them. just drill an algorithm 20-40 times on the cube and you’ll have the muscle memory for it.

every algorithm on the cube will cycle if executed enough times, the cycles can be anywhere from 2-8 executions, so it makes for good drilling practice

[u/TheSixthSide → u/usbcdocksaretrash]

Probably good advice for most people, but if you're decent at learning algs you can learn them quite a bit faster than that. (Also some algs take a lot more than 8 repetitions to cycle back to the start haha)

[u/usbcdocksaretrash → u/TheSixthSide]

yea but if OP’s asking about how fast to learn algs best to recommend them start off at a moderate pace.

and yea prolly, to my immediate memory at the time of writing i couldn’t remember an OLL alg that takes more then 8 reps to cycle but there prolly is

[u/raptors210]

I don't think there is an exact benchmark to hit to learn full OLL. However, I would say it is not worth learning if you average more than 25. Personlly I didn't learn it until I had been sub-20 for some time. Compared to full PLL, OLL is more difficult to learn and saves much less time.

As for how to learn OLL, that depends on how well you can memorize algs and how much time you have. I was in uni when I took on OLL, so I learn 1-2 cases every few weeks (typically I learnt mirrored cases together). Some people will learn it in a month.

[u/bxmxc_vegas]

If you don't know full PLL start there. 

[u/nalu2u9]

I learned it all in about two weeks, week 1 I stayed home from school Monday and Tuesday and learned half because I was “sick” and drilled them the rest of week then repeat for the week after, everything but dots and I just fast enough at a two look approach for those. The algs are short and learn and can be simple to memorize, as long as you learn full pll first send it

[u/Financial-Ad2299]

If you actually put your mind into it and grind the algs on a trainer, then I believe you can run through learning all of them in a week. (Tho this comes from a person with years of experience and somewhat enjoy alg learning)

Still I think learning algs is better early on, the earlier the better.

I also don’t think it’s wrong to just learn like 5 over a weekend and do a ton of solves and slowly learn the whole thing… it’s really up to you.

[u/Beta_113]

What is your SUB? ao5 and ao3

[u/XenosHg]

Learn dot cases first, the rest is up to you.

It's more important and effective to have good F2L, good finger tricks, remove constant regrips.

But if you like learning algs - OLL is pretty easy and a fun challenge. Most of them are just sledgehammer, sexy move/inverse sexy move, and sune.
Only the recognition and order of those moves is different.

[u/Financial-Ad2299 → u/XenosHg]

Nah dot cases are worthless… just learn how to control EO, then you will never get dot OLLs

[u/XenosHg → u/Financial-Ad2299]

Yeah, by doing sledgehammers and F moves and then extra OLL to avoid an easy oll case that's also a sledgehammer and a sune. You can use crutches, but why?

[u/Financial-Ad2299 → u/XenosHg]

Bruh it’s just objectively better to avoid dot olls (plus, it gives you good habits and a path to transition into just using ZBLS)

[u/XenosHg → u/Financial-Ad2299]

Yeah, I guess one can skip 8 algs and start learning 328 algs instead.

Happy cake day.

[u/Financial-Ad2299 → u/XenosHg]

Nah I never said skip it, it’s just the lowest priority compared to all the other olls (but also skipping it wouldn’t hurt you imo)