Questionable Teacher Behavior

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[u/mamamietze]

When you handle this by leaving with one child, does that mean your teaching partner is out of ratio?

[u/MilkDudzzz → u/mamamietze]

Another area could just mean the other side of the classroom.

[u/Luvwins_50 → u/mamamietze]

I was wondering about this as well. We are considered out of ratio simply by being in the bathroom with a child. We have to have one foot in and one foot out. We definitely can’t leave the classroom. If the situation warranted the child needing to leave the room then management would be called.

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[u/mangos247]

I actually think being pulled away from the table is a very logical consequence for kicking it provided it was not done in anger and the child was returned to the table as soon as they were calmer. It’s likely a safer choice as well since children are more likely to choke on food while crying.

Some children do calm down better on their own and will only escalate when people interact with them. In those cases I find it more beneficial to talk with the child and practice different calming techniques once they are calm. Without knowing this particular student, I can’t give an opinion on if they should have been soothed in the moment. In a perfect world calming techniques and conversations would happen with more privacy (like out in the hallway), but with ratios that’s not always possible.

[u/Fantastic_Effort_337 → u/mangos247]

How was this appropriate at all? All the teacher did was push his chair back, didnt tell him why didnt talk to him or tey to calm hom and most importantly left him meters away from the food which further escalated his behavior instead of calming it down. Nothing about the way the teacher handled it was appropriate at all. He didnt learn anything except that his food will be there but he cant touch it. Instead of actually talking to the kid explaining why your making that choice for the safety of him and others and that when hes calm he can be pushed back in

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Did you read anything I wrote?

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[u/Olivia3836]

I think its good that the child was removed from the table as to not fully disrupt lunch for all the other kids

But not without food altogether or any support. 

The child should’ve just been moved a few meters away and with one teacher (still in the classroom, only a few meters away, fine for ratio). 

They can step away for a minute of the other teacher needs help getting everyone set up, but thats it.

Food should only be taken away from the child if they are so upset that eating will lead to choking because they are crying so hard. Cause safety first ofcourse. 

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[u/Present-Wolverine-94]

Without witnessing this event firsthand, it’s honestly difficult to make a determination. But I would not be quick to judge or say that it was inappropriate, it might have been the right course of action if the child was indeed kicking a lunch table. It’s not safe to be kicking the table while the others are eating, and if the child is already screaming and dysregulated, I would not want them trying to put food in their mouth while they’re screaming, that’s a great way to end up choking.

[u/Luvwins_50]

I think it was very appropriate for the child to be removed from the table. His food was not taken from him and was not used as leverage. There is a difference between removing a child who is kicking the table (next will be his friends) who has been served food. And taking his plate away and withholding it until he behaves.

While it may be developmentally appropriate behavior for a child, it doesn’t mean that we can’t teach them right from wrong. Kicking the table is not ok, they could kick a friend accidentally, or hurt themselves.

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How was this appropriate at all? All the teacher did was push his chair back, didnt tell him why didnt talk to him or tey to calm hom and most importantly left him meters away from the food which further escalated his behavior instead of calming it down. Nothing about the way the teacher handled it was appropriate at all

[u/glitterdinosaur]

Nope nope nope. Totally inappropriate response to a normal child behaviour. Also we never, and I mean NEVER, use access to food as a method of behaviour management. Children have rights and access to food is one of them, what this teacher did crosses a line. Also it sounds like the child did what? Kicked the table? I mean unless the teacher has absolutely zero skills this should be an easy correct and redirect "Child, please stop kicking the table and focus on your food, thank you". Instead the response is to essentially abuse the child by restraining them, removing their access to food and let them scream and cry as a result? Completely inappropriate and awful behaviour management. Taught the child nothing except fear.

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[u/Careful_Cranberry364 → u/glitterdinosaur]

Interesting

this was my immediate reaction, but if they’re likely to choke because they’re screaming and crying, I would definitely move them away from the table

and if you’ve already told them and they’re not able to perform what the request is - to stop kicking the table The Other are eating then of course there should be consequences that relate to that … pushing them away from the table. I don’t think that is particularly dreadful
On second thought

Also, we’re talking about just five minutes

And presumably he has his lunch immediately after that