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u/DeltaDied 2001 23h ago
What annoys tf out of me is people will talk about the dangers of certain propaganda and then fall victim to it in the same breath.
Edit: I am also people.
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u/CreeperSpartan 2004 15h ago
They're not elite, they're the parasites of society. It's time we call them what they are.
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u/blacksaber8 22h ago
“Everything’s fine. You’re just being dramatic”
Meanwhile the us president is literally about to legalize Soylent Green
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u/nicknamesas 17h ago
Christ no he isn't
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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 14h ago
Yeah, he's actually already done much worse then that sarcasm. Like tear down half the fucking whitehouse.
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u/nicknamesas 14h ago
Oh no, making much needed space that should have been done years ago, the horror.
Look i dont like trump at all, but he isn't this looming fucking boogy man out to get ya.
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u/blacksaber8 13h ago
Average private account take tbh
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u/nicknamesas 13h ago
Average snooper take.
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u/blacksaber8 12h ago
This means nothing
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u/nicknamesas 12h ago
Neither does me having a hidden history.
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u/blacksaber8 12h ago
Not in isolation
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u/blacksaber8 11h ago
Me not knowing what he said is killing me. How could you possibly respond to this in a way that would get the mods involved?
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u/IDrankLavaLamps 21h ago
The worst propaganda of all is that the nations issue is a red vs blue lobby instead of a rich vs poor lobby.
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u/Martin_Horde 15h ago
I don't like corpo democrats and I know they're both bought but let's not pretend that the GOP isn't overwhelmingly more representative of moneyed interests. Saying it's a both sides issue is downplaying just how much the GOP is supported by billionaire elites. If you look at how much was spent by private companies and individual billionaires to elect Trump last time you'll see what their preferences are.
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u/Netblock 20h ago
That's a little complicated, because in a limited way, they are aligned.
With Nixon and Reagan the Republicans aligned themselves with the rich and those who desire social hierarchy; and Democrats with those who desire egalitarianism. An issue is that Democrats stopped at liberalism and never roused socialism; whereas Republicans always wanted fascism.
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u/ironangel2k4 Millennial 14h ago
Don't call them elites, it gives them too much credit. Call them words like 'parasites' or 'robber barons' instead.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 1d ago
You don't know it yet but all the "orange man bad", "trumpstein", "Elon musk bad", "men are dangerous, women are evil, no one will date me"' and my favorite "XYZ was easy for the last generation, we're all gonna die poor and alone, we're cooked, chat" is part of that elites spreading propaganda to fuel the culture war that is keeping us fighting each other and not looking at the real problem,
But you guys aren't ready for that yet.
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u/Complete-Clock5522 23h ago
Call me an elite then the way I hate pedophiles
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 22h ago edited 22h ago
I respect that, I hate pedophiles too.
Did you hate them when Joe Biden was in office, too. I did and wanted to hold him accountable but this sub did not want to hear that and jumped to his defense, like... "I hate (certain) pedophiles" is the real message
Now, I've heard unfounded accusations about Trump that I'm willing to believe if someone would produce actual evidence more than accusations.
But I have witnessed Biden grope, grab, nipple and squeeze little girls, creep out little boys, and women... and I have read entries from Ashley Biden's diary (which the FBI Authenticated as her own) where she details the sexual assault her father did on her in the shower when she was 11 and younger.
Just sayin
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u/Complete-Clock5522 22h ago
If there was any substantial evidence of Biden being a pedophile then absolutely I’d agree, but there isn’t lol
All the accusations regarding him have been either just baseless smear tactics or have been investigated and found false
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 22h ago edited 22h ago
I can show you a YouTube montage of him just being absolutely a weird child sniffer then get on one girl around 9 in a dress with a green velvet top and he has her by the nipple and is not going to let go... it's insane.
That and the Ashley Biden Diary, which the FBI verified is her authentic personal property, where she talks about how creepy he gets with her in the shower and alludes to him trying to give her an orgasm...
Pretty convincing to me.. video evidence and FBI validation.
Do you need him to come to your house and molest someone in front of you to believe that?
Meanwhile, no evidence exists about Trump but you believe anything you see or hear. That's what they mean when they say Trump Derangement Syndrome.
It's the willingness to accept anything as fact if it's critical of Trump while wearing blinders to people actually doing it if they aren't in Trump's camp.
The screaming, the foaming at the mouth, the shaking with rage... also symptoms
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u/MeNamIzGraephen Age Undisclosed 17h ago
Talking about Elites dividing us with propaganda while gobbling up the same propaganda is wild work. Absolutely zero critical thinking.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 16h ago
That's what I was thinking
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u/MeNamIzGraephen Age Undisclosed 16h ago
I am talking about you here.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 15h ago
Oh... I was talking about actual material evidence of real things that actually happened not hype and accusations and wrap-up smears... that's the propaganda... watching Biden openly molest a girl on stage live.. bots not really propaganda.
Can you see how those are different? Sometimes ideas are really big and not everyone can get their head around them, but that's okay.
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u/cynicallogic 15h ago
The FBI verified the diary was stolen, she seems to have given it some truth by saying she felt hurt the diary was leaked, but dude have you read that diary entry? It reads like she was very inebriated, at least to me, as she mentions it being very late and needing to go to AA.
Meanwhile the president was extremely close friends with an international sex trafficker whose emails allege that the president knew about these victims and spent time with them. We know what Epstein and Maxwell did, and the fact that Trump was traveling with them more than reported is more questionable than a leaked diary entry.
At the end of the day, I think Biden’s behavior is questionable, and I REALLY didn’t want him to ever run for a second term.
The issue is you’re putting a YouTube compilation of an old guy not knowing personal space and being generally weird on the same level as verified indisputable evidence of the president regularly interacting with one of the world’s most prolific child sex traffickers and their accomplice. I think you’re right to question the action of any president and it’s fair to think Biden is being weird or creepy and not want him in office because of that. However, it is bizarre to hyper focus on any weird behavior from Biden while ignoring massive flashing red flags on the other side.
That’s a big idea though and it’s okay to not fully comprehend how those actions are substantially different. Maybe you’ll wrap your head around it one day
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u/I_upvote_downvotes 16h ago
Besides multiple victims statements saying trump was directly involved, the fact that the FBI under him edited the only prison footage they released, the horrible birthday card he sent to Epstein, and the majority of the documents never being released despite his name being all over the initial batch?
It's such a sadness that they're going to get away with it. All they had to do was redact it poorly and now people are just saying "well there's no evidence, tds tds tds."
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u/Complete-Clock5522 14h ago
Oh no I don’t believe anything I say or hear. I do however know that Trumps name appeared almost 40,000 times in the Epstein files (that you can find or I can link them) who was of course famous for his sexual abuse of children. This is also not including the several hundred completely redacted pages that were refused to be released because it would be far too damning. Not to mention other plentiful evidence like the disgusting letter Trump wrote to Epstein (and later sued people for reporting on).
Additionally, Ashley’s diary was not found authentic by even the conservatives group (Project Veritas) who bought it. If there was any actual dirt on Biden they would’ve published it immediately but of course they never have.
Trump Derangement syndrome is a pathetic excuse created by conservatives to give them plausible deniability whenever real talking points are brought up against them.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 9h ago
You sound like an expert, I bet you know a lot of stuff
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u/Ok_Stress2981 8h ago
Says the maga laga ding dong who opened this thread with “you do not know anything, only I do!” Here are 10 reasons why Trump daddy is amazing and totally innocent and that your real problems are because of starving Africans eating your cats!!!!!
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u/Complete-Clock5522 7h ago
It’s not hard to sound like an expert to someone who isn’t willing to learn anything.
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u/Jarquinnius_Vin 8h ago
Quite funny how quickly you started doing exactly what you said was elite propaganda. "My guy good, ur guy bad."
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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 14h ago
"orange man bad", "trumpstein", "Elon musk bad" are just true.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 9h ago
Thank you, comrade, keep up the propaganda. Good bot
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u/Ok_Stress2981 8h ago
Aren’t you all in direct support of Putin and Kim Jong Un? Putin is an oligarch now like Trump and musk but he was a member of the communist KGB. Once a communist, always a communist Cletus. You know who Liddle Rocket Man is don’t you? 😉 🚀 😉 🚀 😉
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u/Sweet_Detective_ 18h ago
Elon Musk is one of thr elites and orange man works for the elites though?
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 18h ago
Is musk really one of the elites? He is "new money" his family had wealth but he isn't the 13th son of the 13th generation son of a bank founder or a Rockefeller.
I don't know if he thinks or acts or talks like an elite..
We may just be defining the word differently. I would argue that the elites are names we never hear and don't know.. names beyond the Orsini's and the Rothschilds... then some royalty, Saharan oil magnates banking people who finance both sides of a war, not merely the very wealthy, the uniquely talented or the intelligencia.
I don't even see Zuckerberg as an elite because he answers to people. He is above his employees but when he's called to congress, he shows up on time and sits there looking like a little kid. When he gets daily instructions on what can and can't be talked about on his platform, he obeys. He is a tool of the hand that works the unseen levers of the planet.
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u/Martin_Horde 15h ago
His daddy had a blood diamond mine dude take the L and stop glazing every tech billionaire they're not gonna share that shit with you. Also even if that wasn't the case new money people are still elites you're drawing an arbitrary line so the oligarchs you personally like aren't included.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 15h ago
I said that I think the distinction is that we are defining "elites" differently.
If you think tv personalities and elected politicians are elites, we are talking about 2 different groups
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u/Martin_Horde 13h ago edited 13h ago
Yeah you define elites in an extremely selective way that nobody else uses, that's the problem.
I base my definition on material reality, which is that these people have enough money to influence governments and buy whatever they want. If buying a social media site explicitly for the purpose of using it for propaganda and self-aggrandizement isn't elite behavior then your definition has no meaning.
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u/MRV3N 23h ago
The elites hate trump?
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u/ironangel2k4 Millennial 14h ago
No, but its a convenient narrative that stirs up a 'threat' they can point to and go 'you can't let them take your country from you!'
Note: They also do not give a shit about the country. Never make the mistake of thinking the owner class actually believes their own rhetoric, the propaganda is for you, not them.
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u/memeticmagician 13h ago
I'm a social Democrat so I believe in the ability to own businesses and property so I guess that makes me the ownership class? What is this language and why is it overly reductive?
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u/Ok-Technology-4856 13h ago
When they say owner class they mean "not working class". Where your property & ownership make you so much money that you don't ever need to work again.
Do you work for a living? Congrats, youre not Owner Class.
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u/memeticmagician 13h ago
Thank you for explaining. I will not use this label because it is confusing in a bad way. It makes for great propaganda by bad actors.
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u/Tango_D 22h ago
Personally? Very much so, yes. Trump spent his entire adult life trying to be accepted by the elites, and they snubbed him every single time.
That said, money does not fuck over money. No matter how much they despise him personally, they will never actually burn him because he has too much power now and if they do try to, he will absolutely punish them economically.
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u/JemFitz05 20h ago
Probably, elites love illegals
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u/Netblock 20h ago
They love visas and illegal migration and they hate giving them citizenship. Impossible citizenship but easy visa is their ideal.
That way they can't unionise.
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u/Enelro Millennial 15h ago
Nah they just love slaves. And now that Trump is making everyone not a billionaire a slave you can be one too!
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u/JemFitz05 14h ago
Im not an american, and besides, why would billionaires hire americans when foreigners do the job for way less money and benefits?
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 23h ago
They investigated him nearly to death, impeached him twice even after he was out of office, charged him with everything from unpaid parking tickets to murder of someone's imaginary friend before insisting him in 34 felony counts of picking his toenails and not properly documenting itching, while the way the people he hires to do that for him did it the way that is standard practice... 3 assasination attempts that we know of, and he lives under non-stop media assault.
Yeah, I'd say the elites have a special hatred for him
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u/Complete-Clock5522 23h ago
You’re conflating elites with government officials. There’s a reason that despite having 34 felonies he faced basically no punishment.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 23h ago
That mueller investigation, the Russia Russia Russia hoax, the Steele dossier, the phony FISA Warrant, the assasination attempts... those weren't legislative actions, that was the elites pulling the levers...
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u/David_Smith5262 23h ago
(Points gun)
So, you've got it all figured out. You just couldn't leave well enough alone, COULD YA'??
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u/Ok_Stress2981 8h ago
👆 Next thing you know this guy is going to “BOTH S1d3Z” the conversation. If someone’s first string statement is “YOU do not know anything but I do!” They’re looking to blow some smoke up your ass
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u/sureokright 23h ago
You don’t even know the real problem. Unless you have several million dollars liquid, you’re part of the group being force fed that garbage.
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u/Varsity_Reviews 23h ago
You can just choose to ignore it and go about your life you know.
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u/sureokright 23h ago
Some sound logic right there. “It’s not happening to me so everything is fine for the most part”
It’s a class war not a culture war.
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u/Varsity_Reviews 23h ago
Ok so you’re not going to ignore it and instead stay angry, sad and miserable.
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u/sureokright 23h ago
Im not at all. Where did you get that from? I come from a well off to do family. I’m simply stating the war is between the wealthy and the poor. Keep jumping to conclusions.
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u/turb0_encapsulator 7h ago
telling people like you to parrot "b0tH sIdEs!!1" is part of the elites' plan.
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u/SirSilverChariot 21h ago
It’s almost wild that all we say is that the problem is at the top but no one is doing anything about it
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u/official_Bartard 13h ago edited 12h ago
because we can’t agree what that top is. Accomplished_Pen980 is in the comments arguing that billionaires are the problem, but not the ones he likes like Musk and Trump. They are “new money” so they can’t possibly be part of the elites tearing the country apart. He doesn’t realize it but he is the main problem.
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u/SirSilverChariot 12h ago
“New money”? Trump is over 70 years old. The only new thing about him is the new wife he gets.
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u/Contrapuntobrowniano 1999 22h ago
Yes, I was ready. I got into it. I deduced it was evidently fake. Get a mind.
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u/powerwordjon 9h ago
Some of us are ready, but we need to get organized: https://communistusa.org/
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u/Racerboy28 2003 7h ago
I’ll believe a communist who’s in jail for his radical beliefs and actions against the state, not one propped up by the fucking Democrats.
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u/powerwordjon 6h ago
I don’t understand this comment. Go to the website, do you see pro-democrat sentiment anywhere there?
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u/OtelDeraj 12h ago
I feel like you could add some text on the hand holding the mouth shut labeled "controlled algorithms"
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u/Plenty_Late 22h ago
There are no "elites" conspiring to put you down. Life isn't as simple as some big bad evil guy who has a big bad evil plan to make poor people suffer.
The answer is much more mundane than that and the answer isn't to depose the elites, it's to participate in society and slowly change things, like we have always done forever.
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u/Netblock 20h ago
What a dumbshit take.
The desire of having power over other people is a real thing. Rape, itself, is about power.
Money and wealth is quantified power. For the right price, you can make anyone do anything. Everything has a price tag. Epstein's product was networking and luxury.
No individual needs a billion dollars. Having access to all of life's necessities and every luxury that is technologically possible, could very likely be had for less than a million a year.
A billionaire is just a quantified authoritarian.
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u/Clothes-Accomplished 20h ago
Actually, "elites" actively profits from our suffering. They're not evil because they are, they're evil because of the dollar, which is even worse than being evil for the sake of it.
Society is working exactly as intended, the only way to fix things is to break the system. We need to learn from the French
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u/Contrapuntobrowniano 1999 22h ago
You now what also has always been done forever? Elite beheading.
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u/official_Bartard 13h ago
So when a billionaire spends 100 mill on lobbying to promote their specific ideology, that isn’t them manipulating the system to get what they want over what the common man wants? Like you don’t see any issue at all with Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk legally buying a politician?
When Elon musk spends 100 mill on an election (already said he plans on doing that for the midterms), what do you think he’s going to ask those politicians to do? Do you really think he’s spending that money because he has your interest in mind, or his?
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u/Plenty_Late 13h ago
If this happens, can you provide me an example of a policy that was lobbied for by billionaires and passed despite popular support being against that policy?
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u/official_Bartard 13h ago
Lol
This is a study that talks about how the elites have more influence than the average citizen.
I can provide more modern examples if a Cambridge study from 2014 analyzing 1700 policies isn’t enough for you.
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u/Plenty_Late 13h ago
I'm just asking you to name a couple policies, I don't need an article
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u/official_Bartard 12h ago
Ok well the study talked about 1700 for you to look at. That should be more than enough to prove my point, but fine. You want me to right out specific examples because you don’t want to read the study, ok. Here are some examples
Tax cuts and job act (2017)
Repeal of FCC Broadband Privacy rules (2017)
Repeal of Glass-steagall act (1999)Btw, these shouldn’t be mentioned in the study, 2 came after the study. So if you actually want to learn there are even more examples in the study written by 2 Cambridge professors.
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u/Fuffernuse123 23h ago
Take some responsibility. I bet you already know the steps you can take to improve your life.
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u/Contrapuntobrowniano 1999 22h ago
I can probably go from 10$ per hour to 10.8$ if i kiss enough asses.
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u/WoodPear 1d ago
You know, Gen Z would be more happier if they have a romantic partner.
And we know who's preventing that from happening.
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u/Sweet_Detective_ 18h ago
No we don't. . . Cus a person or group preventing that would be strange when overpopulation is profitable (When there is too many people, people are 'lucky' to have a job, therefor the rich can more easily replace workers and don't need to worry about worker's rights as much since workers can always be threatened with replacement as long as there are too many people.)
I don't think the opposite is true, but saying something vague like that without any points just leads to confusion
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u/henr360a 2000 1d ago
No we don't, be specific. The Jews? The Oligarchs? The Government? Capitalism? Feminism?
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