r/GeneralHospital • u/Otherwise_Day4298 • 4d ago
Elizabeth is so wrong
If Elizabeth is supposed to be with Ric, she really isn’t treating him well. If she were dating Jason and he spent this much time with another woman, she would lose her mind. At best, we’d have to watch her cry about “our time” or whatever she used to whine about when it came to Jason. At worst, she’d be on her way to Ferncliff.
And she is definitely flirting with Dante. If she only wants to date Ric casually, she should at least choose someone who isn’t his nephew. That way, she won’t be flirting with the guy in front of him at the family barbecue.
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u/lilyofthevalley2659 3d ago
Liz is definitely flirting with Dante. She spends more time with Dante than she does with Ric. I’m just afraid the writers are going to make Ric evil again because of Elizabeth’s behavior. I like him and Sonny working together. And I like him being a good father to Molly.
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u/Rhyfeddod_y_Goleuni 3d ago
If the writers make "Ric evil again because of Elizabeth's behavior," it won't be because of Elizabeth, it will be because the seem to hate her and because, as Lulu told Ric, he will self destruct as he always does.
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
The dude saw one conversation and ran off to buy a ring. That's obsessive and controlling. He also ran off like a toddler having a tantrum when he walked in on them. Dante had on shorts and a t-shirt. If you saw him just walking you wouldn't think he was pants less. He ran off and his 1st thought was to scheme. She is right, he would be all jealous even about a delivery guy and that's not healthy.
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u/jujube1013 2d ago
They were compression shorts. They looked like shorts. He was as covered as if he was in regular shorts. She's a nurse and has been his nurse. She didn't see as sexual she was trying to check to see if he was badly hurt.
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u/jujube1013 2d ago
Obviously. She can't see through the material. Maybe she was looking for abrasions,swelling, or redness,etc? She's been a nurse for 20+ yrs. She can suggest to him to go to the ER if she sees something concerning.
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u/Nedstark78 3d ago
But your waiting for Ric to do something cause he had never came back to help molly before
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u/Hot-Display-7012 4d ago
Elizabeth gave Ric another chance because she was lonely (this was established in the show a few months before she gave Ric a second chance). She is definitely attracted to Dante, but is not being honest with herself on what she may really want in a partner. Dante is easy and confidant while Ric is obsessive and insecure along with jealousy issues. Elizabeth is enjoying her growing closeness to Dante, but denying to herself what is really happening. Dante is enjoying the attention as he has an obvious crush on Elizabeth, yet he is being respectful of her relationship with Ric by not overtly chasing after her in an attempt to win her away from Ric. Ric is jealous of the growing bond between Elizabeth and Dante, and is trying desperately to keep Liz with him.
At this point, their relationship still seems to be in the dating phase. I say this because the other day Ric was shocked he was able to get Elizabeth to commit to two dates. If they were a solid couple and not still dating, this would not be a big deal to him.
There is also some question as to if they have even slept together since they started dating back in February. They did have an off-screen weekend away, and some assume they slept together then, but it technically has not been stated as happening.
Overall, the writers have not done a very good job with Ric's side of the triangle, as we, the viewers, have not gotten enough scenes with Ric and Elizabeth to understand clearly the level of their relationship at this point. Are they dating? Are they in a committed monogamous relationship? Have they slept together? The only thing we know for certain is that Ric is willing to propose to Elizabeth in order to keep her with him, and that Liz is enjoying the easy flirty friendship she is forming with Dante.
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u/One_Pie_5001 4d ago
There was that one time that Lucas ended up staying over Liz's house hungover and ruined Ric and Elizabeth's night in. Ric wasn't enthused and if I remember correctly, the conversation seemed to imply they were planning to be intimate that night (sounded like it was for the first time), but Lucas ruined it.
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u/Movie_TV_Fan 3d ago
This is perfect! It hasn’t been made clear. Elizabeth is not in a serious relationship with Ric, they are dating. The dating may seem different because they were married previously. Ric wants to propose so he can be in a serious relationship with Elizabeth and hold on to her. Lulu coaching him not to be his normal possessive and jealous self with Elizabeth is also telling about that “relationship”.
I hope Elizabeth realizes what’s happened between her and Dante very soon. This triangle can create a lot of soapy drama. Sonny’s brother and his son.
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u/Business-Lock-1354 3d ago
Does Lulu even know about Dante and Elizabeth’s attraction to each other?
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u/Hot-Display-7012 3d ago
Ric told her about it the other day. But she did not react in any way that would suggest she wants Dante back.
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u/Business-Lock-1354 3d ago
Oh, now I remember. I do think Lulu and Dante are over each other. it’s nice to see them being friends.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
Except she is constantly telling Ric she is really happy with him and thinks they could have something this time!!! That isn’t casual at all. I love how Liz fans make things up to suit their narrative. Liz is not great and just as manipulated as anyone else. Also why would she want Dante the man has said at least 3 times in different ways to her that he is still in love with Lulu, so does Liz just want to be second best?!
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u/Movie_TV_Fan 3d ago
I don’t recall Dante saying he was still in love with Lulu.
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u/Accomplished-Ad3219 3d ago
I'm so glad someone else is seeing what I'm seeing.
I guess people who hate Elizabeth will find a way to make something innocent seem cruel.
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u/Right_Here_And_Now 3d ago
I love watching Ric but his time with Liz should be over!
I thought he and Ava were the perfect match. Both very complex characters with equal parts evil and sweet.
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u/VixenSmasher 4d ago
They’re just baiting us and I love watching Ric grow. I’m down. Plus—watching them actively try to make Dante likable again after years of turdlike behavior is also joyous.
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u/robot_pirate Team FFS FRANK! 3d ago
If this gets Ric over Elizabeth in a way that is healthy and they are still friends - count me in. I'm 💯 Team Redeemed Ric. Love him so much.
My main issue is that Ric's rival is Dante - Sonny's son. If they frick up Sonny and Ric's brother bond again, I will rampage.
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u/ZeroDukz 3d ago
I agree it’s so enjoyable watching Sonny and Ric get along finally. I’m afraid they’re gonna use this Elizabeth mass too. Make Ric turn to the dark side again.
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u/Otherwise_Day4298 4d ago
I just hope they don't make Ric go crazy. At first, it looked like that was the direction. After his talk with Lulu, I have hope that they won't throw away all Ric's growth to prop a Liz/Dante relationship.
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u/Aggressive_Purple114 3d ago
He needs to get back together with Alexis; they have a funny, hot, hate-based chemistry. They argue with passion. We need some comedy romance in the show, and those two should be it. Also, when Alexis finally goes for custody of Scout and takes on Drew, Ric would be all in with her.
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u/Accomplished-Ad3219 3d ago
I would love Ric and Alexis back together but I don't think the writers could handle their dialogue
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u/One_Pie_5001 3d ago
I was also thinking Ric would definitely be very gungho to help Alexis with Scout. Molly is also being barred from seeing her too so that helps his motivation too.
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u/Rhyfeddod_y_Goleuni 3d ago
There are only a few eligible men for Elizabeth to date, and Ric and Dante are related in name only as they were not raised together and have no relationship. Elizabeth is a good and forgiving person, but she isn't stupid, nor has she forgotten that Ric drugged and almost killed her, so she has good reason to not get too serious too quickly. She shouldn't be with him at all, but no one behind the scenes seems to like or respect Elizabeth, so those viewers who like her are stuck with her being the talk to character or having a lousy story when she gets one.
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u/Familiar_Limit_6678 2d ago
Agree 💯 I don't think frank likes elizabeth she is one of the best actors on the show I love liz
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u/Fast_Way8546 3d ago
Ric + Lulu maybe?
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u/BestBlueChocolate 3d ago
No, Elizabeth would not lose her mind because she's actually pretty secure. And if Elizabeth and Jason were together, Jason wouldn't be talking to any other women for any extended time. Except for Carly and he'd be giving "I'm annoyed" vibes the whole time.
That's it. I do think Elizabeth has some unacknowledged ambivalence about her relationship with Ric, which is why she's reacting to Dante the way she is (no lines crossed, but lots of time spent and the vibe is just a tiny bit more than friendly) and I think it will only be a matter of time before she acknowledges that to herself.
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u/Nedstark78 3d ago
She seems happier with Dante is what my eyes see
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u/Illustrious_Sand2383 3d ago
I just wish she could have a relationship that isn’t tied to Sam or her past relationships. She deserves better, Rebecca & her character.
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u/Timely-Beat2684 3d ago
I always think it’s funny when I see this about Elizabeth & Sam. Elizabeth was with Jason, Lucky, Rick, Jake/Drew before Sam was with them. The only one that Sam was with first is Dante.
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u/DaisyandBella 2d ago
Jason and Elizabeth were not serious. They never even slept together that first time around. Sam had a much more committed relationship with him first.
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u/BestBlueChocolate 2d ago
That is true that Elizabeth and Jason did not have sex until after Sam and Jason were together for sometime. It is debateable how serious Jason and Elizabeth were before he met Sam. It is inaccurate to say that Elizabeth and Jason were never serious. Their love affair, secret house together and their love song devoted to them. They absolutely were completely serious, so much so that Jason couldn't even see Sam in the rearview mirror when they were together.
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u/DaisyandBella 2d ago
I said they weren’t serious before Jason and Sam were together. If all you do is a kiss a few times and talk about potentially being in relationship without ever actually being in one, that’s not serious.
Not sure what you’re trying to imply with your last sentence. Sam and Jason were growing closer again the last few months of 2008 when Jason and Elizabeth were still going back and forth with each other. Elizabeth even got upset when she found Sam in Jason’s penthouse because she knew how much Sam meant to him, and the two of them would end up back together the following year.
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u/BestBlueChocolate 2d ago
Well, not trying to be difficult but your first sentence said "Elizabeth and Jason were never serious". So I didn't really know what you meant by that.
Well, I was not watching in 2008 because it just became way too painful watching what was happening with the whole Jake debacle, etc. but in 2007, Sam was threatening Elizabeth and Jake and she was as dead to Jason as a person could be.
Jason has proposed to Elizabeth so many times and if she had said yes, once everything would've turned... I can show you the clips if you wanna see when Elizabeth and Jason were living together in their secret house because that definitely impinges on the whole loving Sam so much thing.
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u/DaisyandBella 2d ago edited 2d ago
My first sentence did not say that. I said they never even slept together before Jason and Sam became a couple so I don’t think it’s accurate to say Elizabeth was with Jason before Sam.
I can show you lots of clips of Jason declaring his love for Sam and proposing to her and marrying her and telling her that he wants a child with her. I can show you the clip from 2012 where Elizabeth confessed to changing Danny’s maternity test and she stood there and cried about how unfair it was that Sam was getting everything she wanted as Jason barely reacted because all he cared about was reuniting Sam with her son so they could start over as a family. Jason and Sam have a much longer romantic relationship history than Jason and Elizabeth.
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u/BestBlueChocolate 2d ago
OK, seriously the literal first sentence of your paragraph says: "Jason and Elizabeth were not serious"; please go back and read it. I realize now that you meant that to flow into the next sentence with some context, but I was taking the first sentence alone and not sure how widely you meant that.
And I realize that Elizabeth and Jason did not have sex before Jason was with Sam. I don't remember how Jason came to be with Sam instead of Elizabeth. I assume a lot of it had to do with Elizabeth choosing Lucky even though she clearly wanted Jason.
Yeah, TPTB wanted Jason to be with Sam. So they crashed Liason into the side of a building to do it. I didn't want to watch that. It was a horrible thing to do to Elizabeth's character. But what you describe sounds a lot like the way Jason was contemptuous of Sam after she terrorized Elizabeth.
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u/EuchreFan3 ¡¡Team Lulu Spencer!! 3d ago
I have never seen Jason give "I'm annoyed" vibes while in Carly's presence.
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u/BestBlueChocolate 3d ago
He used to do it constantly. Especially when she was dragging him away from whoever he was in a romance with.
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u/Unique_Rub_7118 3d ago
I see Jason getting annoyed by Carly's choices sometimes or when she is long-winded. "Get to the point, Carly" 😆
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u/Otherwise_Day4298 3d ago
Yeah, I disagree. She's insecure with Jason. And Jason could talk to Britt.
I gave Jason as one example, because Liz was more in Ric's position with Jason. Her wanting more than him. But if this would have happened with Finn I don't think she would have liked it either.
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u/BestBlueChocolate 3d ago
Whenever the issue of Britt and Jason dating has come up Elizabeth has not looked insecure. She's looked removed from it. I'd say she holds her cards close to her vest and she is sphinx like. Britt has tried to rub her nose in it, and Elizabeth has refused to play.
Yeah, when Jason and Elizabeth were together, there was never a sense that she wanted him more than he wanted her. No way.
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u/Nedstark78 3d ago
When Jason and Liz have time together there never is a sense of a bad mean situation there is always a level of trust. Dante seems have that kind of comfort trust. Ric she is more trying to say how great he has changed like she talking herself into something cause feels sorry for him
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u/BestBlueChocolate 3d ago
Totally agree re the Liason vibe.
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u/Nedstark78 3d ago
They never have them do scenes cause the fandom gets stirred up and want more. Id like to see there son Back
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u/BestBlueChocolate 2d ago
It always feels like the writers know that Elizabeth and Jason have incredible chemistry and incredible potential so they keep them away from each other to not ignite that.
Which is idiotic.
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
She always had other choices who wanted her. She doesn't like britch with good reason but she has said she pretty much doesn't care. Her kid won't be around her. That's the good thing about jason being an emotional deadbeat to Jake.
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u/BestBlueChocolate 3d ago
Yes Elizabeth did say she didn't care. Not sure if that's 100% true but she's not moping.
I'm not sure what you mean about the last part regarding her kid not being around her and it being good that Jason is a dead beat dad?
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
Liz doesn't have to deal with britch being around her child since the deadbeat is dating her. He pretty much forgets he has 2 sons.
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u/BestBlueChocolate 3d ago
Yeah, that's up there with one of my main points of an annoyance on GH--that the show has forgotten Jake exists for the most part.
But yes, it's a good point that Elizabeth doesn't have to worry about Britt interacting with Jake in a motherly way or some crap like that
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u/Fianna9 4d ago
She has been friendly flirting with Dante (and I’d rather them be together)
But as soon as she sees Ric she does run dotingly to him. Ric is the one who will ruin everything and send Liz running to Dante for support
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u/Otherwise_Day4298 4d ago
Ric has seen the shameless flirting. He has a reason to be concerned.
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u/Fianna9 4d ago
It isn’t shameless flirting. It’s Liz being friendly and cheerful
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u/robot_pirate Team FFS FRANK! 3d ago
OMG, lolz!
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u/Fianna9 3d ago
The bane of my existing is men thinking I’m flirting when I’m being friendly.
And yes I know they show is likely setting them up as a couple
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u/Accomplished-Ad3219 3d ago
That and other women who think a woman being friendly is flirting. I actually hate that more. It's a bad look
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u/One_Pie_5001 4d ago
Run dotingly to him? Liz treats Ric like a wounded puppy but with feigned concern and no evidence of being happy to see him. That conversation at the BBQ after that awkward ketchup moment was bizarre.
It seemed like she flirted with Dante to test Ric and then Liz saying to Ric getting closer to his family does a world of good for him? I get the sentiment, but it also felt like a dig, like you will be a better person if only you would love your family.
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u/VirginiaUSA1964 Team OG/Legacy Characters 4d ago
I can't figure out what this story is supposed to be about.
I feel like we're building up to an epic bench clearing/cast clearing event set in motion by someone's anger.
Or we are just in for a boring few months.
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u/Otherwise_Day4298 4d ago
To me it seemed like Ric was just propping Liz and Dante. If they ever get together, I'm sure it will be boring.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
Of course it will be boring. Liz and Dante are boring characters. Liz has only ever been interesting with Lucky, her and Ric could work this time, but they would rather have Liz be the woman who leads a man on. And Dante so far has been boring with anyone who isn’t Lulu. Those 2 are like watching paint dry together. I have tried to get on board that train and it makes me wants to vomit every time
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u/Fun_Air_7780 4d ago
This is why I will never ship LiRic.
She dates him when she’s lonely and bored yet will never dump him. She just sets things in motion for him to screw shit up and act crazy. She did it with Nikolas and Jake Doe and now Dante. It’s beyond immature and quite frankly makes me dread Ric’s time on the show.
They need to be out of each other’s orbits.
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u/TALKTOME0701 4d ago
How do all the ways Elizabeth acts shitty make you dread Rick's time on the show? Honestly asking
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u/RJ-Davidson_99 4d ago
I think I get it. It's gonna be kinda painful to watch Ric spiral and potentially ruin his life just when things are going good for him especially with Sonny.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
This is what I don’t want to happen. Ric need to just end it with her and then when she is like “but whhhhhyyy Riiiccc, he came be like go ask Dante wench I’m out” lol
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u/Fun_Air_7780 3d ago
Oh you know if Ric dumped her she’d be all “This is so out of nowhere! Things were going great. It makes me sad that you are so insecure.”
I really just want Ric to have his Scarlett O’Hara at the end of Gone With the Wind moment where he realizes Elizabeth was never into him and he’s not into her either. And then he tracks down either Ava or Alexis immediately.
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
Maybe he should grow up and not be a "good guy" because Liz is dating him. Just be a good guy. It's not up to her to keep him good.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
Thank you!!! Ric deserves better. She is playing with him and it isn’t right. Plus Dane and Liz are just boring and ick
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
The guy who drugged her, sexually assaulted her, drugged her to and embolism, and contemplated smothering her deserves better? You need to read up on Ric. I love Rick Hearst and have loved him since he was Alan-Michael Spaulding but Ric is not some great innocent guy.
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u/Rhyfeddod_y_Goleuni 3d ago
There is no one better than Elizabeth, and nothing Elizabeth could do to Ric would ever make up for what he did to her.
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u/Efficient_Paint_5536 3d ago
Right? Hey Lulu I screwed 2 of your brothers and other one left town so now I’ll screw your ex husband. If I was Lulu I’d be like WTF. But that’s just me 🤷🏻♀️
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
Dante's former gf banged his father,his uncle, and him. She gave birth to his sister.
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u/One_Pie_5001 3d ago
Wow. It took me a sec to figure out what you were talking about. I think that all took place before Dante knew Sonny was his dad, but yeah it's a bit ick. Not exactly the same.
But Lulu can't complain about it with the way she has treated Dante for the past year and a half.
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u/Okieflower23 4d ago
I worry the show is using the Liz/Dante thing to push her closer to Rick and push Dante back to Lulu. And I don’t like either of those relationships. 😬
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
Dante and Lulu belong together. She is the only character for some reason Dante isn’t completely boring with. Ric and Liz I like this time cuz Ric is changing, if only Liz wasn’t playing with his emotions and trying to make his jealousy come out. Honestly Ric deserves better
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u/thejaytheory Team JaBritt 3d ago
Yeah, when Lulu first came back, I was hoping that he and Dante would get back together.
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u/Nedstark78 3d ago
They totally dropped Dante as Gios dad except when Rocco does stuff to blame gio for. Liz to me is to nice to be Dante girl but I'd laugh if he ended up with Britt when Jason and her Break up
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u/Fussy_Fucker Team Scorpio 4d ago
I want Dante and Elizabeth. I think he’s going to end up with Lulu. They’ll get drunk and hook up,
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u/Coffee-and-Wine351 4d ago edited 4d ago
The revisionist history when it comes to Elizabeth/Liason on this message board is so wild. Some of us actually know the full history of Liason and don’t need to make up scenarios to help “prove” a different point.
And no, I don’t care that she’s flirting with Dante.
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u/Otherwise_Day4298 3d ago
I know all of their history. I watched long before Elizabeth was a character on this show.
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u/Coffee-and-Wine351 3d ago edited 3d ago
The early years of Liason were beautiful. Their friendship in 1999 and the early 2000s was so pure. She could discuss things like her relationship with Lucky and love of art. Jason could discuss his relationships with Sonny+Carly, his past with Robin, and how it felt being a father to Michael in his early days.
That’s why I laugh when people act like Elizabeth was some obsessed freak with Jason. They always discussed their relationships and what was going on in their lives. They would go on motorcycle rides together to clear their heads, and they could just be themselves. It was a beautiful friendship.
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u/Otherwise_Day4298 3d ago
To me, 1999/2000 Jason and Liz felt a little like a combination of Liz/Lucky and Jason/Robin rather than something completely original. Aside from Liz seeming a little young, putting them together made sense to me given the alternatives at the time. But the relationship itself never felt especially original or special because so much of what I was seeing reminded me of dynamics that had already existed in those other two relationships.
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u/Lazy-Measurement-140 3d ago
That’s something i never thought about before! But it makes total sense. Liz was a wreck after lucky died and she and Jason really got close then. She definitely leaned on him heavily. And then Jason did the same after losing Michael and after robin left. I feel like it worked well because those two definitely had great chemistry
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u/Nedstark78 3d ago
Jason is her only ex she has trust in completely if needed help with something no questions asked
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u/Lazy-Measurement-140 3d ago
Yupp! And not for nothing, but Jason trusts her. He’s definitely let her know when she’s messed up but at the end of the day, Jason is a good judge of character
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
This is the revisionist part of their history. It wasn’t that great and it wasn’t rewatch that romantic. Liaison is gross and no one will change my mind.
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u/MAFFACisTrue 2d ago
I agree with this. The liason (?) fans force themselves to believe something that was never there. Jason used her. She used him. They had a one night stand and produced Jake.
I hated them together. It always felt so awkward and 'off'. They had zero chemistry.
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u/ASpurkofgenius 3d ago
I agree that she is in fact flirting with Dante. I think she’s supposed to think it’s innocent fun but it’s inappropriate while in a relationship.
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u/robot_pirate Team FFS FRANK! 3d ago
She's definitely being messy. You can even tell by the way Rebecca is playing it. It's for sure a departure from how Elizabeth is typically portrayed.
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u/Important-lion3488 3d ago
No it’s not. Elizabeth has a history of cheating and she really isn’t the goodie good girl that she pretends to be. It’s the one thing I actually agreed with Carly on.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
Yes!! Liz acts superior and above everyone else, but she isn’t. She has done terrible things. I’m honestly still not over the Liz and Nikolas affair thing. Her affair with Jason and then lying about Jake’s paternity. Shipping condoms into her sister’s things to make her boyfriend think she was having an affair, holding Esme hostage. Also how many nervous breakdowns has she had!!! Everyone is always like Liz is so strong, but strong people don’t have that many trips to the fern cliff or shady Brooke. Just saying.
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u/jujube1013 2d ago
She did not have an affair with jason. She slept with him once while she was married after seeing her husband banging a barely legal teen for the 2nd time and after she decided she was going to leave him.
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u/Important-lion3488 1d ago
-_- you sound dumb. You just admitted that she cheated on her husband
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u/jujube1013 1d ago
I never said she didn't cheat. I said she didn't have an affair. lucky had a long-time affair. Oh no, Liz slept with jason once after she found her husband with a barely legal teen for the 2nd time and deciding to leave him. lucky also cheated during their 2nd marriage. People ignore those facts. They just bring up Liz. lucky also slept with Liz's sister.
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u/One_Pie_5001 3d ago
Excuse me. Laura is a strong woman but she had a severe trauma which caused a catatonic state for years. Being hospitalized for a mental illness does not mean you are not a strong person. Your statement is offensive to basically everyone who suffers from mental illness.
In fact, admitting you have a problem and seeking help is one of the most courageous things you can do and being able to push through difficult times (which Liz has had many, obviously starting with the SA). Not only that, she told Dante she shares her experience with patients to help them and the average person would not have the strength or courage to share that story.
She is one of the strongest women on the show.
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u/Coffee-and-Wine351 3d ago edited 3d ago
Elizabeth is the first character to admit she isn’t perfect and can’t judge others. Please name one character who hasn’t had affairs or gotten their hands dirty on this show. Elizabeth is a saint compared to 95% of characters.
And she is arguably one of the strongest women on the show. She’s been portrayed as a survivor since she was a teenager. BTW she doesn’t have nearly as many trips to Ferncliff as you’ve made up in your head.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
She has at least 2 that’s 1 to many for someone how is mentally strong. Also she will admit she isn’t perfect, yet she never ever owns up to her actions, but she will sure as shit judge people who are not perfect in a heartbeat. Liz defenders kill me with the mental gymnastics u all do in your head
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u/jujube1013 2d ago
When hasn't she owned up to her actions? She has to her children, the police, and others. You obviously don't watch her scenes or you don't listen. Or you listen to the characters that don't like her who project their morals onto her.
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u/Coffee-and-Wine351 3d ago
Lol no one is doing mental gymnastics. It’s called having an opinion that differs from yours.
I don’t think your assessment of Elizabeth is accurate, and that’s okay. And I’d argue a lot (most) viewers are “Liz defenders” and perform “mental gymnastics” with her character based on the fact that GH wanted to send her to Ferncliff permanently back in 2011 when they fired RH briefly, and massive backlash stopped the storyline and reversed the firing.
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u/One_Pie_5001 3d ago
So Liz having mental breakdowns and working her ass off to recover from them, being sexually assaulted as a teenager, losing the love of her life multiple times (once when she thought he was dead and the other when he left her to raise 3 kids by herself and all the drama in between (still trying to support Lucky while he was addicted to drugs and cheating on her), thinking her 3 yr old was killed in a car accident and dead for 4 years, through all that and more eventually getting the position of head nurse at the hospital and working her ass off in dedication to that position does not make her strong? Just curious if you even know the meaning of the word.
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u/jujube1013 2d ago
After being completely abandoned by her parents at 14. They weren't there for her rape,her getting married,having kids,almost dying,losing a child,kidnappings,losing a husband,etc.
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
When? You mean after finding her abusive druggie husband with his barely legal teen for the 2nd time and when she decided she was going to leave him? She and Nik started before she and lucky were officially together and he wanted her because he saw that Nik was interested.
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u/DaisyandBella 2d ago
And she continued to sleep with Nikolas after she got engaged to Lucky and was sleeping with him as well (hence her not knowing which man fathered Aiden) so what does it matter that they started before then?
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u/jujube1013 2d ago
Eh. I'm not upset because I always wanted BH/TC Niz from 1999. lucky was an abusive controlling manwh*re who cheated on her and only wanted her again because his brother was showing interest.
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u/DaisyandBella 2d ago
Lucky was wrong for cheating on Elizabeth with Maxie (pretty sure he’s had around the same number of sexual partners as Elizabeth though so not sure how he’s a manwhore) but she was also wrong for cheating with Jason and even more wrong for lying to Lucky about Jake’s paternity and putting Lucky’s job as a police officer on the line for Jason. They both repeatedly hurt each other as soap opera couples tend to do.
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u/Important-lion3488 2d ago
She cheated on lucky with Nicholas, she cheated on lucky with Jason, both times she got pregnant and was unsure who the father was
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u/ChanceNutmegMom 4d ago
Have Ric and Elizabeth even kissed at this point? Or had one glorious night of passion? Because I don’t understand how Rick is ready to propose when we haven’t seen any of that.
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u/One_Pie_5001 4d ago
They literally just kissed on the BBQ episode. But it was the least passionate kiss I ever saw. When they first got back together, the few intimate moments they had were a little more intense but aside from that, it's been like a hug or peck. Very boring and Liz does not seem to be interested in him in that way or else she would be all over him.
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u/Ok-Concept-8893 4d ago
They have kissed a few times and they have been intimate off screen im pretty sure they were intimate on there getaway a couple of months back that they didn't show on screen.
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u/Business-Lock-1354 3d ago
yes, they don’t have to show every couple in bed - it’s a nice change. I get tired of the Morning After scenes, with the women all made up and not a hair out of place. I’m happy to have the assumption that they are sleeping together.
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u/HeartGlow30797 Team Spinelli 4d ago
Yes I remember they were at the hospital and they kissed. Bout only time I remember
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u/GeneralHospital-ModTeam 2d ago
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u/TALKTOME0701 4d ago
I agree with all the flirting and attention she's giving to dante is childish and immature
She's a full grown woman in a serious relationship.
It seems like Rick really likes her. Possibly loves her. But she's going to keep toying around with Dante and mess up something that could be great.
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u/Business-Lock-1354 3d ago
Um, yes, he loves her, as he has the ring and was going to propose! He was right to hold off, as Elizabeth is not at all ready to marry him. I like her and Dante together, but I also like Ric now; he has changed a lot.
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
britch and her mother have targeted Liz for yrs along with her friends. She allowed her yellow journalist brother access to Franco's medical records. Liz and her loved ones have been victimized by that family since she was 16.
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u/Timely-Beat2684 2d ago
Britch hit her over the head & locked her in a closet & still has her job. So, Elizabeth throwing attitude at the woman who is a Britch to everyone is minor compared to that.
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u/jujube1013 2d ago
britch is extremely rude to people who come into the hospital. She has grabbed/assaulted one teen and one young adult while at work. She assaulted Liz and locked her in a bathroom. She assaulted jason. So Liz saying mean words or having a mean attitude is fine.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
This ⬆️ I get so sick of saintly Liz. There is nothing saintly about her. She cheated on her fiancé with his own brother for goodness sake
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
Do you know Ll2 history? Lucky was a manwh*re during both of their marriages and an abusive controlling drug addict. He also banged her sister.
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u/hxchimitsu 4d ago
My super crazy never happening theory is that she’s gonna realize she’s bored w men and kiss Britt
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u/hxchimitsu 4d ago
I’m not saying it will happen i can just see so much w her and Lucas being friends and Britt new friends and beef w lulu ugh
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u/Efficient_Paint_5536 3d ago
Only time I enjoy Liz is when she’s being snarky to Britt otherwise I can’t really stand her. She’s basically the new Robin. Thinks she always right and can do no wrong.
Wish the show would just put Ric back with Alexis. Those 2 are comedy gold. Rick Hearst is an actor who has amazing chemistry with his female counterparts. I don’t want to see him wasted on pining for Liz who doesn’t seem to care about him.
Here’s my idea: Ric realizes he and Liz are done. He ends up drunk on Alexis’s doorstep and Molly is there which makes Alexis let him stay the night to sober up. He & Alexis have an actual grown up conversation. Liz & Dante hit the sheets and the next morning Lucky shows up…..with Sam! Yeah crazy ideas that the GH writers can’t come up with themselves. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/MysteriousHoneydew82 3d ago
Alexis has to have noticed at this point that Ric is aging like a fine wine
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
You don't actually watch her then. She has said numerous times over 29 years that she's not perfect. She owns her crap, feels regret, and usually has to pay for it.
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u/HighlightIll5899 16h ago
Right?! She came forward about Esme. I was just rewatching the Sam hit and run from 2008 and she immediately wanted to tell the police it was her. She got so much more vitriol from Lucky and Lulu when her and Nik cheated than Lucky ever did for cheating on her with Maxie and Sam. Meanwhile Ric locked a woman in a panic room and drugged Liz and became DA. Lucky got to leave town as the injured party, despite what he put Liz through in between 2005-2008.
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u/AnimatedVixen99 3d ago
I have had love/hate feelings about her for years. I loved her when she was young but eventually she became a know it all / holier than thou type. But it goes back and forth with her character over the years. I loved her and Franco.
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u/american_amina 14h ago
I thought they were dating, but hadn't moved to exclusive status yet. If so, she doesn't owe him exclusivity just because he wants it. That would be a huge red flag for me if someone starting acting like I belong to them, when we haven't made that official yet.
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u/Online_Active_71459 this show is unserious 4d ago
Liz has matured a lot. She would not revert back to young Liz if she was with Jason now.
BUT… you bring up a good point. Now that Jason is out of the mob, there are no reasons why he and Liz couldn’t rekindle now!!! There have been RUMORS of he and Britt splitting, so MAYBE, this is where they will go.
If I can’t have JaSam, then I will take Liason!! Imagine how happy that fan base would be!
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u/Otherwise_Day4298 4d ago
I think she would absolutely become pathetic again for Jason. I don't think any of the writers know how to do Jason/Liz without making her look pathetic.
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u/One_Pie_5001 4d ago
Nope. I never liked them together. To each their own though.
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u/Face_BodyEsthetics 3d ago
Ric deserves better, I liked him better with Avery. Elizabeth is too friendly with Dante
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u/ThibTalk 4d ago
I agree. It would be one thing if she also wasn’t still pumping Ric up like they are together. But she is acting like she is not in a committed relationship.
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u/Hot-Display-7012 4d ago
I think they are just dating. Ric seemed so surprised he got her to commit to two dates the other day, so that seems to imply they are not an assumed couple, I guess.
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u/Snoo95309 3d ago
I assume the same, but why carry on with someone right in Ric’s orbit let alone his nephew?
It isn’t at all realistic, that someone would do that.
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u/One_Pie_5001 4d ago
I think he was surprised because of how he acted at her house assuming she was cheating with Dante. Ric definitely thinks they are in a relationship because he seems sure she loves him (she definitely does not) and was going to propose. I think Liz does view the relationship as still in it's very beginning stages.
It definitely is very different than what happened with Liz and Lucky last year. Their love has always been so intense and surprisingly unbreakable regardless of all the terrible things they did to each other to the point where they kind of picked up their relationship in a more advanced stage. I think Liz was not 100% in it because she was not expecting it to last but it was much different and she actually seemed happy getting to spend time with him again. Unfortunately, their screen time was lacking, so we did not get to see most of that.
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u/sjlgreyhoundgirl67 #TeamTracyAngelicaQuartermaine 4d ago
She’s definitely flirty with Dante, she’s a 40+ year old woman right? That silly girly flirting is embarrassing
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u/OblongOtter2128 4d ago
Oh flirtation knows no age limits. We older ladies can have fun too!
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u/Snoo95309 3d ago
Maybe the previous post needs more context because the flirting isn’t really the problem.
I think it’s extremely naive and immature to be dating someone, flirt with that person’s nephew and think it is acceptable. I’m cringing at Dante too because he should know better even though he isn’t in a relationship.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
I think it’s the fact she is flirting like she is 10 and a 40 year old woman. Idk they are just gross together
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u/Otherwise_Day4298 4d ago
It really is, and I can't imagine we're not supposed to think what she's doing is considered flirting. She's not just being friendly.
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u/PollyGoLoudly 4d ago
This is the same point my husband and I made. It’d be a bit different if they were teenagers.
We’re being asked to believe that Elizabeth and Dante are either A - just straight up friggin’ dumb and don’t understand what they’re doing or B - they do know and they’re both acting like total jerks.
I’ll never stop yelling that chatgbt is writing this nonsense.
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u/One_Pie_5001 4d ago
Dante IMO is not guilty here. He sought out Elizabeth because he had no one else for support with the Rocco situation and she is his friend. For him, all of this time they were spending together seemed to coincide with Dante also seeming to be ready to move on from Sam.
Except for early in her relationship with Ric (when he just told her to be careful with Ric), he has not really said a negative word and actually defended him and complimented him once as well for his devotion to Elizabeth.
Not to mention every time Liz has done something in front of Ric that is overtly flirting or could be misinterpreted by Ric, he tried to smooth things over or back off. Dante is only guilty of wanting to spend time with someone he clearly has a crush on, but he is not intentionally trying to hurt Ric or steal Liz.
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u/LizzieH87 3d ago
This and everyone is like they have been friends forever. No no they haven’t, until it happened fairly recently I do not remember Liz and Dante ever hanging out as friends. They have been friendly when they run into each other. But I do not ever remember with going to hang at the brown dog for a beer or anything ever.
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u/jujube1013 3d ago
They have been friendly for almost 20 yrs. When he was with scam they all hung out together because Jake and potsy are brothers, Jake and scout are cousins who at one time were thought to be siblings, and Aiden and Rocco are cousins. It was implied they spent a lot of time together. Of course offscreen GH is more interesting than actual GH. He was also almost her step nephew. Her brother was about to marry his mom.
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u/SafetyEastern4281 7h ago
bring Sly Eckert back for Liz, Lucky's cus and Laura could use someone around
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u/gimpy1511 Team Carly 4d ago
I just hope the fallout doesn't bring bad Rick back. He's tiresome.