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u/CelebrationProof6082 8h ago

Yes

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u/UpperApe 5h ago

Police don't have a minimum requirement but they do have a maximum requirement.

I'm not even making that up. If you're too smart, they won't hire you.

They want brainless goons. They want gangsters. They don't want brains, they want bodies. They want obedience.

Like the military, but less culty.

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u/The_One_Koi 3h ago

Sadly it's the same in most of the modern world

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u/kaas_is_leven 2h ago

It's a bit disingenuous. Police and army and the like need people who follow orders before or without thinking, other people's lives depend on that. But if you are smart you can still get hired as the guy giving the orders. It's not all that different from something like an entry level tech job, where a good hiring manager knows not to hire the overachiever because he'll be unhappy and leave within a few months.

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u/Taldier 1h ago

Police and army and the like need people who follow orders before or without thinking, other people's lives depend on that.

No, they objectively don't. Like, this is the opposite of true.

Intelligent teams with broad backgrounds and good communication skills are vastly more capable of reactive problem solving in actual critical situations.

Thugs who follow orders are completely useless the moment communication breaks down or the speed of action outpaces the command response.

The only thing they can be relied on to do consistently is to violently lash out at anyone around them. Which in the case of policing, is usually the citizenry they are supposedly intended to protect.

Which tells you a lot about what modern police forces are actually designed for. Suppression, not community protection.

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u/kaas_is_leven 1h ago

As far as I understand from people who've been rejected and from a friend who works as a hiring manager for a local police force, that only goes for teams that actually make their own decisions. Which is not true for the vast majority of regular police. For grunts they look for average intelligence. Also you sound very ameribrained, police in other countries are trained to deescalate, they're not "thugs" or whatever, that is a uniquely American problem. Or maybe not unique, but it's not univeral by any stretch.

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u/Taldier 29m ago

Its where the majority of the sites traffic comes from and its what the OP is specifically referencing. Oh no, a bunch of Americans are talking about American policing.

Being like "this totally isn't a problem at all if you just ignore the problem actually being discussed and pretend that we're just talking about hiring average people to hand out traffic tickets" and then getting offended is absurd.

We're talking about the guys carrying guns who get to make decisions about who to shoot. Those people should not be highschool dropouts.

This isn't a "uniquely American problem". Its a problem literally anywhere that doesn't have extremely robust democratic and social foundations. Which is basically a small handful of European nations.

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u/The_One_Koi 2h ago

It's odd how you call what I said disingenuous and then go on to defend what I said

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u/kaas_is_leven 1h ago

There is no need for this my dude, I didn't say you are disingenuous and I'm not defending anything. I was just explaining that the whole "they only hire stupid" is a disingenuous framing of the reasons, as it implies they literally don't hire smarter people, which they do. It also implies this is a police/army unique thing, which it's not. That is all. I have no qualm with you or anything you said. Calm down.