r/MaliciousCompliance 16d ago

S Follow all managerial orders on Phone System decom with no questions asked

Happened in 2024:

Working on a phone system decom. 3800 phone #'s. 200 of them vanity #'s. Upper management running the project and they quickly get into mindset of not taking well thought out and reasoned feedback from the nerd bench. Got to the point of do what you are told, we aren't interested in what you have to say.

The vanity #'s are for C level suite, regional VPs, high earning sales people.

We have the meeting notes strongly rebuking engineering for pushing back on changes and that we are to simply 'comply'.

ATT service disconnect goes out for 3800 #'s and 200 vanity numbers. Takes 30 days for ATT and then shit REALLY hit the fan.

It was epic to be on a 67 person meeting and our service delivery manager show the CEO, CIO, CFO, CMO, and seriously pissed off sales, the upper management directive to simply follow all directives and no questions asked.

People were were shown the door right after and upper management changed significantly for the better. No one on the nerd bench took any offers of moving into either SDM or PM roles.

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u/EggmanIAm 16d ago

So to understand better: you were getting rid of a company phone system. But the numbers in that soon to be decommissioned phone system were still in use by big boy bosses and sales. You and your coworkers said it’s a bad idea and were ignored. Then phone system is shut down and all those bosses and sales lost their numbers?

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

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u/doppelwoppel 15d ago

Thank you for collecting and translating the nerdy information in such a comprehensive way!

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u/a_cute_epic_axis 14d ago

The number of times I've asked for something in writing, and suddenly the requester no longer wants to do it because they know they're getting thrown under the bus when it explodes: very numerous.

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u/FernwoodTonight 15d ago

^ This wasn't hard to understand, thanks.

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u/Bubbly_Mouse_4471 15d ago

Thank you, I don’t speak that dialect of nerd and I was so confused

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u/Fast_Cloud_4711 16d ago

200 of them.... We weren't renewing all 3800 numbers. The phone system was ~25 years old and held together with baling wire and duct tape. We went with a hosted solution.

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u/EggmanIAm 16d ago

So those numbers were going to be lost in the switch unless?

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u/VernapatorCur 16d ago

In a situation like that it's possible to transfer the number to your new provider/system as long as you still hold it. But once it's released it's immediately put in the list of numbers that are available to new subscribers.

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u/Fast_Cloud_4711 16d ago

Yep. They were getting rid of a bunch of old DID's. They thought they were ALL DID's and didn't care about a # port 1:1. Just setup a new phone tree with the PaaS provider and out main toll free lines.

But you couldn't tell management that because, reasons. Incredibly insular.

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u/armoredpiecrust 16d ago

You and acronyms. Not every one knows them. Spell it out once with acronyms at the end so others know what your talking about. Other wise YLLYDCAO

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u/daschande 16d ago edited 15d ago

DIDs (Direct Inward Dialing) can be kinda confusing to spell out. With old school telephone company phones, you buy 200 lines and you get 200 separate phone numbers.

With internet phones, you buy 200 DIDs, and you have the ability for 200 people to use the phones at any given time as long as they have an internet connection; often with one main company phone number and 200 extensions; so if 200 people call out, all 200 would show up on caller ID as the same number. If people call in to the main company line, you can program how to route calls to those 200 phones (press 1 for customer service, press 2 for billing, etc.)

Vanity numbers are like a direct line to VIPs. You don't call the main company phone number and navigate their menu to get to your VIP, you call a different number and the call gets routed to VIP X's phone.

Just like other phone companies, you can transfer your number to a new phone provider if you fill out some paperwork and wait for it to process... but if you don't file the paperwork, you don't get to keep the number. So all of the company's VIPs who had vanity numbers to say "Reach out to me personally any time; here's my direct line" now look like fools for no longer having that number.

Edit: forgot PaaS is Platform As A Service; a lot of the "X as a Service" acronyms can be simplified to "we rent out services from a cloud company on the internet."

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u/alohawolf 15d ago

DID works the same on VoIP as it did on TDM.

You have a bearer that can handle n calls at once (in the TDM world, typically in units of 23 or 24 (or 30 or 32 outside of the Americas). While that bearer was typically digital by the 90's (ISDN over a T1 or E1), it could totally be analog as well.

On that bearer you can have as many numbers as you want, 1 or 5000.

SIP can work exactly the same way (aka a SIP Trunk)

Think of the DID like DNS, and the bearer like the pipe to the server.

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u/manondorf 14d ago

Fuck's sake it's like people are going out of their way to be unintelligible in this thread

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u/yankdevil 12d ago

I understood all of that and I'm not even a telecoms engineer. Kinda wondering how someone doesn't know them.

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u/daschande 14d ago

This person VoIPs.

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u/CarbonApexSeal 14d ago

I miss the good old days of COT lines and FUR/FIR relay sets.

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u/Kielbasa_Nunchucka 15d ago

you look like you don't care about others?

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u/isReallyACat 16d ago

DID = direct inward dial PaaS = phones as a service Quick searching also finds this info if you arent already familiar, no need to be rude.

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u/NightLillith 15d ago

It's generally seen as good form to define your acronyms the first time you use them if they are either a) Industry-Specific and/or b) Non-intuitive.

I mean, before someone else identified what DID was in this specific instance, I thought it was "Dial-In Device"

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u/Otis-166 15d ago

Don’t forget DDI which is the same words in a slightly different order. But….also means DNS, DHCP and IP address management. Gets confusing sometimes when you have network/sysadmin folks and the telecom guys in the same conversation without sufficient context.

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u/z31 15d ago

Dude, almost no one here know what the fuck you're talking about. Stop using acronyms.

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u/Papazani 16d ago

Sir, all repairs should be done with jumper wire…

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u/Illuminatus-Prime 15d ago

Mmm not really.  There's a functional difference between a POTS and VOIP -- one's an analog network system, and the other runs through the Internet.

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u/Papazani 15d ago

It’s a joke, co techs are constantly using jumper wire to fix things like hanging stuff or wrapping it around stuff to keep them closed. It’s kinda like the central office duct tape.

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u/Illuminatus-Prime 15d ago

Ah, yes . . . It does not matter if it takes duct tape, zip ties, or WD-40; fixed is fixed!

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u/Separate_Pumpkin_256 15d ago

And the hosted solution didn't allow for the vanity numbers?

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u/Fast_Cloud_4711 15d ago

They totally supported # porting. We had 3600 #'s we were getting rid of and 200 that we needed to keep. Total burn rate was down to 800#s in total.

Mgmt ran the project and so incompetent they didn't want to hear about the technical deficiencies with their ideas and in no uncertain terms put us in our place as simply doers.

So when the ATT disconnect order came down the directive was followed to the T. You can only beat a dog so many times before it just lives to get out of your way.

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u/z31 15d ago

Seems like it but hard to tell since OP wrote this in a way that requires some sort of cypher to understand what is being said.

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u/LalalanaRI 16d ago

Thank you for humanizing that. 😂

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u/Schneids323 15d ago

Thank you for not hurting my brain like the OP

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u/LadyKona 16d ago

WUT? I feel like I went unconscious part way through the story and missed something… 👀

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u/LalalanaRI 15d ago

Lmfaooo

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u/Axman6 16d ago

This is written like the TL;DR version, I got the gist but it felt like most of the story was missing. You’ve made a lot of assumptions that people know how a corporate telephone system works, what decom means and if so, the implications of doing that. The story is very unclear, and half the comments here are already saying that. 

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u/Aggressive-Fig-8734 16d ago

I know you implied it, but please consider rewriting the story to make the malicious compliance more explicit.

Otherwise great story - or at least the one I think you implied is.

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u/Hot-Win2571 16d ago

OP did not have our number to get the message across.

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u/KarmaWhorediot 16d ago

Written like an autistic techo

The story I THINK OP is trying to tell: He and his team are tasked with a project to decommission 3800 phone numbers. Don’t know about OP’s country(USA?), but in Australia this releases them back into the public pool after a given time period. They are recoverable up until a certain point but can be an annoying process.

3600 of these numbers are generic, but 200 are specially chosen by VIP users. Special numbers are also worth money - someone paid the service provider for them to be special at some point. Instead of going through the hassle of giving these people the option to apply for change of ownership of the numbers, the project management team decide to take the simplest option and nuke them all.

Not clear from OP whether change of ownership presented some technical issues or was just more expensive and project management decided it didn’t matter enough to do (no time / no budget / cbf). Either way the project management team tell the technical team to stop talking about it and just proceed. It sounds like the project and service delivery management both agreed on this decision, contradicting their own technical and business process specialists (insane). OP’s team wisely formally records this in a meeting minute. 

Malicious compliance is they proceed with the decommission even though best practice dictates they allow the users the chance to port out.

The users are pissed off. From my experience a lot of the 3600 regular users would want to have kept their numbers. The 200 VIP users are the noisiest though and escalate until the project team is fired along with the service delivery team. 

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u/Illuminatus-Prime 15d ago

"The 200 VIP users are the noisiest though and escalate until the project team is fired along with the service delivery team."

The last two lines of the OP's post seems to imply (to me) that it was upper management that took the hits, not the honorable and hard-working techs and engineers who get things done . . .

"People were were shown the door right after and upper management changed significantly for the better. No one on the nerd bench took any offers of moving into either SDM or PM roles."

Either way, it's still a good MalComp story!

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u/KarmaWhorediot 15d ago

That’s part of why OP’s story is unclear - the directive was shown TO the CEO by the Service Delivery Manager. This sounds to me like OP is part of a BAU operations team leveraged by a project - the project managers made some bad choices and were let go.

Perhaps the team managing the project and in the role of project manager for this activity were also some executives/directors within the company rather than project management professionals - which would explain this weird decisionmaking without executive support

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u/iamthelowercase 14d ago

CBF is a new one to me.  I like it.  (I was only familiar with CBA.)

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u/bkwormtricia 16d ago

For those of us who do not know what SDM is, or PM roles, or what you mean by vanity numbers, this story is opaque.

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u/yulbrynnersmokes 16d ago

Typical corporate SNAFU

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u/Dovahpriest 15d ago

Unless OP edited it, those two examples are in the last sentence, with OP saying that they were newly available roles, and you can reasonably infer from the term “vanity” that someone thought the numbers were important.

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u/armoredpiecrust 16d ago

So many acronyms. So little detail.

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u/lucyolovely 16d ago

Initalisms, not acronyms, but agreed. 

(FYI an acronym is when it's pronounced like a word, think NASA and NATO, it's an initalism when it's separate letters, think FBI or CEO etc.)

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u/armoredpiecrust 16d ago

Ah. Thanks for the heads up

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u/Dovahpriest 15d ago edited 15d ago

Only if you shut off your brain or are ESL/Outside the US.

C-Suite is mentioned earlier on, so it’s reasonable to assume the other guys next to CEO are also part of the C-Suite. VP is an extremely common shorthand for Vice President, and if you aren’t familiar with ATT, that just goes back to the outside the US/ESL point. That or you’re too young to have a phone or internet bill.

The only ones that are tricky to decipher are SDM and PM at the end, which you can infer are teams outside of the one OP is on, and have the relevant understanding necessary for the story.

EDIT: y’all definitely prove this study true:

https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-literacy-statistics

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u/Slight-Whole5708 9d ago

It's not that hard to add definitions of the specific jargon you're using in a story. 

I'm a video game translator, if I start telling a story here about CAT tools, fuzzies, TBs, TMs and MTPE without explaining those terms, it's very rude. 

And yes, not everyone here is American, shocker.

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u/Dovahpriest 9d ago

Sure, but we aren’t talking about “specific jargon”. We’re talking about terms like VP and CEO, two terms Reddit definitely knows if you check any mainstream sub that deals with politics and/or current events. It’s not unreasonable to assume people have come across those before. As for ATT, even adding the ampersand in between the Ts is going to be meaningless if you’re not already familiar with the company.

For the English as a Second Language bit, it’s almost like I called out that one as an exception for a reason.

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u/Slight-Whole5708 9d ago

I'm French but quite bilingual, and I'm not talking about CEO or VP, but "vanity number", PaaS, and indeed I would understand AT&T better than just ATT, because I watch John Oliver so I would have gotten that one.  Fortunately I was able to research what vanity numbers are and I guessed what PaaS meant because I know "game as a service" due to my field, but it's annoying and it takes two second to define the terms and abbreviations you're using when writing a post. It's basic courtesy.

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u/Dovahpriest 9d ago

That’s fair.

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u/solmead 16d ago

All you needed to add was “in the decommissioning the 200 vanity numbers would be lost, management did not want to hear about any warnings and said to just do what was asked, so we put in the cut over order and when the vanity numbers went away, the high level people with those numbers freaked and shit hit the fan. Then..,”

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u/NotBadAndYou 15d ago

And yet you (and I) understood them without the extra explanation...

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u/FixinThePlanet 15d ago

I did need the multiple comments spelling it out more to be sure of what I was vaguely inferring though

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u/solmead 15d ago

lol true, but I’ve delt with old POTS systems running on OS2 before.

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u/SvenRich93 15d ago

What the what? 🤔

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u/CoderJoe1 16d ago

Swing a big enough dick around and eventually you'll hit yourself in the face.

(800) 555 FAFO

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u/fliversnaps 15d ago

I am stealing this! 😁

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u/CoderJoe1 15d ago

It paints a picture

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u/Illuminatus-Prime 15d ago

In black and blue.

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u/johnlewisdesign 16d ago

Ahhh well there go the consequences of the vain people's actions! Smallest violin, haha well done

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u/phaxmeone 15d ago

While familiar with a lot of techno babble that doesn't include phone systems. I more or less followed the gist of the story but a big thank you to those who de-babbled it.

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u/Illuminatus-Prime 15d ago edited 15d ago

Hmm . . .

  • Setup: Phone system decommission and changeover.  Techs told to shut up and do as they're told.
  • Compliance: Techs shut up and do as they're told.
  • Malice: Implied that the techs know the C-Suite people are about to be badly inconvenienced.
  • Fallout: 30-day suspension of service for the C-Suite people, at least some of whom were later dismissed.

Seems about right.

BTW: Those acronyms are abbreviations for titles, not names.

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u/Grant_Winner_Extra 15d ago

Just to be clear, this is just self-interested compliance.

Not malicious.

But the outcome was <chef's kiss> delicious.

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u/ActuallyYulliah 15d ago

I absolutely love this! 😘👌🏻

I mean, had to read it 3 times, but I love how ‘upper management’ basically acted like you were dumb peons, and then that fucked up upwards to top management, who pissed back downwards to ‘upper management’ and they got fired for being idiots…

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u/DoallthenKnit2relax 15d ago

I would have just shut him up by asking, "Do the top executives want to keep their direct dial-in numbers or would they rather take a month to reorder all their business cards?"

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u/Rovewin 15d ago

I think I know why management didn't listen if this is how you explained it to them. :P

Good story just had to tease a bit for the awkward telling of it.

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u/Illuminatus-Prime 15d ago

The backfire seemed to affect only the C-Suite people.

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u/HeRmEs3xx 15d ago

That's why you always get it in writing, along with your prior objections.

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u/AbbyM1968 15d ago edited 15d ago

Since it seems kinda technical, it might fit Talesfromtechsupport. You could ask their mods, anyway

ETA Many thanks to those who demystified it ... for us who din't understand

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