rebelling againts tyrants isnt extremist, its how you do it, there is voting, protests, revolutions, however you should never cross the line of discrimination, needless cruelty, and unessercy violence, theres a reason why the american revolution is seen as a great success, it was a revolution of sound mind and balance with strong rational beliefs, they werent extremist
thats not what extreamism is, extremism or when someone is an extremist is when someone is self righteous and dogmatic to a point of absolute obidience to a person or set of ideologies, and will in turn vote, attack, or do anything to further said ideology, its important to note that beliefs of extremist are almost always terrible and involve in hurting hundreds to acheive whatever they want
What exactly are you talking about? Modern day economists have completely and totally disregarded Marxism. Even self-described Marxist economists do not believe in things like the Labor Value of Theory because it's hogwash. They don't fall for "red scares and embargoes" seeing as they've spent their lives studying the topic
The money they put in was also not clean, colonialism and theft.
Maintaining class society is similar in a relatively bigger scale, there will always be those who oppose classes, which creates commodification or disposal of people for labor for the sake of a fundamentalism towards capital which inturn protects the privilege of capital owners.
The money they put in was also not clean, colonialism and theft.
This doesn't discredit the form of society.
Maintaining class society is similar in a relatively bigger scale, there will always be those who appose classes, which creates commodification or disposal of people for labor for the sake of a fundamentalism towards capital which inturn protects the privilege of capital owners.
They don't have to work for such capital owners. People don't have to buy from capital owners. Investing capital is inherently risky and if it doesn't return profit eventually, you invest more or you accept loss. With this risk, investors are entitled to control a share of a corporation.
The "privilege of capital owners" do not come from nowhere. It comes with the risk of failures.
It is what formed it. Marx put it quite good "capital comes dripping from head to foot, from every pore, with blood and dirt"
The risk a capital owner takes is not become a worker. The risk a worker takes is give them a part of their lifetime, with equal if not more risks to produce a surplus for them or be replaced from a means of subsistence. In a class society, where socially necessary resources are privately controlled, these social relations are independent of their will, a marxist merely points how these came about, show it doesn't have to be this way and wants to push towards changing those conditions.
This entitlement is layers of ideology acting on itself.
Some good points for clarification:
1. I am not opposed to capitalism with a welfare state.
2. People should be able to form workers controlled companies if they wanted.
When a worker works for a owner, he or she receives guaranteed compensation for it. It could be in wages as well as in other benefits, but usually if one works in x hours, they must be compensated for those hours with the agreed wages. He doesn't face the same uncertainty as, say, putting one's money in a business.
In addition, the other Marxist argument is that workers are paid for less than the value of their work. This argument overlooks the capitalists' ability to provide the means of the production for the workers, as well as organizing and overseeing the logistics of production. A worker is perfectly free to form their own mean of production in a market economy, but some finds it more economically optimal to work under a capitalist instead.
Extremism does not mean mass murders and violence. It just means holding political opinions that are far from the status quo. That can be very bad, like with nazis, or it can be very good, like with the suffragettes and the first workers rights advocates
what is extremism? black rights fighters were deemed extremists, suffragettes were deemed extremists, 8 hour workday supporters were deemed extremists. Yet i don’t think they are bad aren’t them?
Most of the time, unless you already live in an extremely bad environment that warrants a revolution because your living conditions are in the gutter or some slave revolt
It's only bad when it's not how I'm extremist /s I've been called communist and facist for believing in human rights and living in Canada, so it really depends on who's idea of extremist were using.
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u/LazyRandy 16h ago
I'd rather be considered extreme than comply with tyrants.