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u/Possible_Humor_2834 10h ago
"New Zealanders are people, too"
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u/Jellyfishhide 6h ago
“Sheeep shaggerrrr “ friendly banter… Australian here I think you guys can have the pavlova
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u/ImmanualKant 10h ago
eh. I don't like the two Greenlands
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u/robkaper 10h ago
Having a spare one to appease the orange man would be nice though
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u/doppelbach 8h ago
This seems like it would have been easy enough to fix with something like a dotted line to indicate everything beyond this is wrapped
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u/Xanadu87 7h ago
What if we curved the map around so both end connect like a cylinder and we wouldn’t have duplicates?
Maybe also we could tighten the top and bottom of the cylinder so both ends aren’t silly giant holes.
It would be nice then to put a stick that runs through the top and bottom so you can spin it and look at the whole thing. We could call a “sphere map.”
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u/Chimi3Ch4nga2me 10h ago
People dont even understand that Greenland isn't half as big as Africa in normal maps, imagine trying to explaing that there aren't two Greenlands on each side of the map
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u/otter_annihilation 5h ago
I actually think this is a "better" distortion because having 2 identical big white islands is more clearly and obviously incorrect than a particular continent being smaller than it should be. I think it'd be easier to explain and have folks understand.
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u/CurryMustard 3h ago edited 3h ago
This map still has the same problem. Greenland is not that big.
Just grab Greenland and drag it down to Africa, it pretty much covers Egypt and Sudan:
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u/mushykindofbrick 10h ago
Its good because it actually shows how close America and Asia are at the Bering bridge, its bad because theres 2 Greenlands
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u/Ancelege 6h ago
From a Japanese perspective, this is a completely normal map we see all the time
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u/AutoRot 10h ago
I feel like this really minimizes the scale of the pacific. Of course that’s mostly a Mercator problem. From space you can be above the pacific and no continent is visible.
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u/doppelbach 8h ago
Well to be fair space starts at 100 miles up. t the 250 mile altitude of the ISS they can only see ~3% of the surface at a time.
But yes that was my thought as well. It's not really obvious here how much bigger the Pacific is than the Atlantic
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u/sebastianinspace 7h ago
but it’s the same thing when europe and africa are centered or when the americas are centered. the pacific still looks the same size…
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u/WeeklyPhilosopher346 10h ago
I don’t mind this one at all. Makes sense if you’re from Asia, or whatever that big island south of Indonesia is.
I prefer a Euro centric map because I’m from a small country in Europe and it’s nice to point at the screen every now and then and go “That’s us!” (thanks, HellDivers 2 devs!)
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u/ttombombadillo 10h ago
Tell me you are from Kiwiland without telling you are from Kiwiland
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 9h ago
You know that Australian, Chinese, etc maps are centred like this too?
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u/ttombombadillo 8h ago
But Australia and China are never forgotten if the map is centered around Greenwich meridian
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u/Dominyck 9h ago
I like old world on right and new world on left, and the ocean they sailed to get from one to the other in the middle
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u/AnonymousTimewaster 7h ago
Everyone talking about two Greenlands but also missing the fact there are two Icelands as well lol
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u/GrapefruitPurple2495 10h ago
That's the map I'm gonna put above my rig when I finally try the Three Mountains achievement in EU5. (if you know you know)
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u/Easy_Interest_6832 10h ago
Looking over at my Atlantic-centered wall map, I am inclined to agree with the OP. That's much better, that Pacific-centered version. Greenland seals the deal.
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u/pancuca123 7h ago
People usually joke about maps without new zealand, but there are so many countries in the pacific.. and almost nothing in the Atlantic
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u/Extension-Appeal310 10h ago
Humanity spreaded from left to Right From africa
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u/Easy_Interest_6832 10h ago
I'm not so sure that's relevant. As I said, Greenland is the key, the spot on the map that lets you clearly perceive the whole globe on a flat space. To me, the best is a globe like I've got top of the file cabinet. But across the way there's a huge Atlantic-centered flat map that you have to glance at the globe cross the room to make a whole lotta sense out of, but between the Tropics it's fairly accurate. I think every office should have one of each, a globe and a wall map. And a Grateful Dead poster. Just so we're clear.
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u/mamunipsaq 10h ago
And a Grateful Dead poster.
Dancing bears, a stealie, or something else?
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u/Easy_Interest_6832 10h ago
Something else: The logo off a shirt I got at Oakland Auditorium Arena, which I snagged from a guy sitting in a side alley near to venue with a pile of these black t-shirts with a red skull outline with a red lightening bolt with "ain't no time to hate" in red, for ten bucks. So I bought one and noticed that down the alley under the truck entrance there was an open door. I slipped through to do my first sneak into a Dead show. That poster.
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u/Extension-Appeal310 10h ago
There are more people living in Hawaii than green land
Also two Green land on maps shows continuevity
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u/miianwilson 10h ago
That’s basically what he just said about Greenland, why’re you just repeating him?
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u/JC04JB14M12N08 5h ago
I think if you include maps in all languages - isnt this actually the MOST common presentation? Asia in middle and Atlantic split?
Objectively it might be the best anyway. When you use an atlantic split, you are not really splitting nearby islands, becasue there are so few in the Atlantic. A Pacific split means the map is problematic for the multitude of pacific islands.
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u/Mysterious-Weight935 8h ago
Equator should be in the exact middle vertically. This still makes northern hemisphere artificially bigger/southern artificially smaller.
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u/nicathor 10h ago
Ah yes, the west on the right and the east of the left, just like a compass
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u/doppelbach 8h ago
On a compass, west is a direction, not a place. On this map, west is towards the left, as it always is.
West used as a location is a naming convention only
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u/nicathor 8h ago
Western Hemisphere and Eastern Hemisphere are pretty widely agreed upon world wide, same with 'The West' and 'Near/Far East' as cultural regions
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u/doppelbach 7h ago
No what I mean is that west and east are necessarily relative. There is a north pole, there is no west pole, yeah? You can follow north on the compass until you are as north as possible. If you follow a compass west there is no maximum west.
Yes agree on the names of hemispheres, and of regions. But that's sort of just naming convention and names are messy. Much of what we consider "the west" is actually east of Greenwich. The US region "the Midwest" is more of less in the center of the country. etc.
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u/reflect25 41m ago
> same with 'The West' and 'Near/Far East' as cultural regions
"The West" part mostly used to talk about Europe not north america
> Western Hemisphere and Eastern Hemisphere are pretty widely agreed upon world wide
sure, but that doesn't mean that it is incorrect to flip it either on the map. most asian countries (india, china, japan, australia etc....) actually use this one.
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u/Dannyspud 9h ago
I may have missed the point but West is still West, and East is still East? The map hasn’t been flipped horizontally
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u/Im_Chad_AMA 9h ago
In a relative sense yes, but the westernmost longitude is in the middle of this map
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u/sebastianinspace 7h ago
the west is on the left in this map. europe is the west. the east is east of europe. that’s why it’s called the east (in the west). the americas are the new world, or the new west (because it is west of europe). if you are american and you thought that the usa was the original west, i can see why you’d think this map was the wrong way round
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u/Am1AllowedToCry 7h ago
Being a new Kiwi of course a Kiwi-centred map would be nice, but there is just absolutely no logic in putting a vast ocean that covers one entire "side" of the globe in the middle of any map.
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u/AutumnAscending 10h ago
Idk it kinda bugs me that the western most continent is on the right part of the map.
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u/reasonably_plausible 7h ago
The Earth is a sphere, there is no "western most continent".
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u/AutumnAscending 1h ago
Jfc. Okay lemme rephrase. Having the edges of a two dimensional map be centered around the150th meridian causing a double of a landmass to appear on the map makes much less sense than the boaders be the international date line.
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u/asallamerican 9h ago
I like the one where Antarctica is in the middle and it shows how all the oceans are connected.
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u/Lucky-Substance23 7h ago
Why is Greenland shown twice, when the eastern edge of South America (specifically Brazil), which is on the same longitude as Greenland, is not shown twice? I am referring to the leftmost part of this map 🤔
Is it due to projection distortion near the poles?
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u/Wonderful_Discount59 5h ago
The lines of longitude aren't straight. If they were straight, you wouldn't get that weirdness, but you'd get more distortion of shapes.
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u/FPSGamer48 6h ago
I feel like it minimizes how isolated the western hemisphere has been for the entirety of history, and also duplicates Greenland
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u/Warm-Palpitation5670 6h ago
who is the dickhead that decided to draw greenland twice? pick a lane bro
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u/YoshiTheDog420 6h ago
I know I’m dumb, but that dark blue space in the center of the Pacific above Australia really looks like it could fit North and South America in there if you rotate them about 35 degrees clockwise and slide them to the left.
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u/gtuzz96 5h ago
“Yes we’ve had Greenland, but what about second Greenland?”
https://giphy.com/gifs/I2TqO0oJBaNoc
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u/RotarySnow4 5h ago
This is the kind of crap that makes me realize , in some way maybe there isn't a "west" at all.
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u/hysys_whisperer 5h ago
Can we get one that minimizes the average distance of all humans from the center point?
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u/StoneyTrollWizard 5h ago
Is the distance between kiwi land and Aussie land stretched or distorted here because of the centering?
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u/Bladestorm04 5h ago
The Americas have always been east and Europe has always been the west.
Its so hard to get my head around flying to Europe from the Americas and going the other way around, I always think damn that's a long way, did you stop in Dubai too?
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u/lowkeytokay 4h ago
Cowboy movies would be in the Far East, Europe is still the West, but now all of Asia is the also the West? Or is it the Middle East? Where is the Middle Easy now?
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u/Extension-Appeal310 4h ago
There is no such thing as middle east I think you are referring to west asia
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u/Miniblasan 4h ago
I can imagine that’s what some Asians and people from Oceania think, since it provides a better, more direct view of that side of our planet.
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u/DizzyFrogHS 3h ago
This doesn’t make sense. How could Columbus sail to America? He would fall off the map.
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u/Scripts_by_Ymma 3h ago
This literally makes more sense because of human migrations. The east and west hemispheres should have their names swapped
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u/7LeagueBoots 1h ago
So do I. Most of the time when I make world maps I use a Pacific centered approach.
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u/No_Talk_2703 29m ago
As a Singaporean, I love my country being the center. Makes it easier to plan destintations.
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u/newnilkneel 24m ago
New jokes would be everybody mentioning two greenlands but no one bothers with icelands
Yea I am so tired of euro centric map too lol
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u/Constant-Plant-9378 8h ago edited 8h ago
Tangentially related...
I woke up at 3:00 AM this morning and in the dark contemplated the massive regions in the ocean floor that are effectively deserts, huge abyssal plains so deep that they are in complete darkness, virtual deserts devoid of vegetation, extending for hundreds of thousands of kilometers - and we know almost nothing about them.
At depths of over 10,000 feet and covering 70% of the ocean floor, abyssal plains are the largest habitat on earth. Sunlight does not penetrate to the sea floor, making these deep, dark ecosystems less productive than those along the continental shelf.
In the North Atlantic the Sohm Plain alone has an area of approximately 900,000 square km (350,000 square miles). The plains are largest and most common in the Atlantic Ocean, less common in the Indian Ocean, and even rarer in the Pacific.
Biodiversity on the Sohm Abyssal Plain follows typical patterns for North Atlantic abyssal environments, with meiofaunal communities dominating, including nematodes as key components of the food web. Megafauna diversity is low, limited by sparse resources and uniform sediments.
Imagining what it is like on the floor of the Sohm Plain gives me a sense of both megalophobia and thalassophobia. Feels like the darkest, coldest, largest, and most isolated place on Earth.
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u/Anleme 9h ago
Shows you how arbitrary most global maps are.
US maps: US top center
UK maps: Great Britain top center
Japan maps: Japan top center, like this.
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u/Naive-Tumbleweed-464 9h ago
in which global maps is the US top center? Most world maps I've seen in the US have the UK in the center. The atlantic focused world map actually puts the USA further away from the center than the pacific focused world map.
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u/AardvarkExcellent428 8h ago
I mean most maps default to Europe at the center, because literally Eurocentrism. even the ones in Japan and the United States believe it or not
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u/Arkhonist 8h ago
I mean that's one reason, the other is that there's a massive empty ocean on the other side, making it a pretty logical place to split a map
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u/franoetico 9h ago
It makes more sense.
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u/Hot-Job-6281 4h ago
This might often sensitive Westerners, but this is far more reflective of the World's centre of population.
- You're still keeping the distorted area boost anyway, so don't be too mad.
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u/diffidentblockhead 9h ago edited 9h ago
The land hemisphere map is good for getting most lands in and showing their proximity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_and_water_hemispheres
The maximum population hemisphere is almost identical to the land hemisphere.
https://www.cntraveler.com/story/almost-everyone-on-earth-lives-in-the-same-hemisphere
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u/Smurphftw 5h ago
Oh hell no! East on the left and West on the right? Just eff all the way off with that.
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u/AardvarkExcellent428 9h ago
... I actually think this is maybe the worst possible map? listen if you're going to put the center anywhere, put it somewhere on the Eurasian landmass, probably right around the Middle East, because then you're capturing the most possible land closest to the center. it just makes the most logical sense.
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u/FreezingRobot 10h ago
Found the Kiwi