r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 8h ago

Meme needing explanation Petah?

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u/StuartMcNight 8h ago

Low inflation might be the first step towards deflation. Many economists would argue that deflation is a worse situation for the economy because it leads to a sharp drop of consumption and therefore a huge recession follows?

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u/SpaceChaosu 7h ago

As far as I'm aware it's more about investment perspectives, why would you invest money if you could keep it in bank instead (this money will gain on purchase power anyway).
Less investments = lower volume of money circulating in economy and less potential jobs = slower economic growth/danger of recession

If I remamber this economic theory correctly

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u/justin107d 7h ago

It hits all parts of the economy. People don't want to spend or are afraid of spending so shops have to drop prices to lure customers in. This leads to tighter margins, then less room to hire and pay wages.

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u/UmpireDapper1757 7h ago

That's just not what happens. There's no evidence that deflation reduces consumers' propensity to spend (probably because decreases in the price of consumer goods increase consumers' real incomes, offsetting the effect). Nor is there evidence that inflation increases consumers' propensity to spend (this is likely because increases in the price of consumer goods reduce consumers' real incomes, offsetting the effect)

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u/justin107d 7h ago

If you expect prices in the future to be lower, you are going to save until they are lower.

If you expect prices to go up in the future, you are going to want to buy things now before they get expensive.

Recessions make people lose jobs and limits their ability to spend. Tops are the opposite when people have more than they normally have to spend with.

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u/UmpireDapper1757 6h ago

That's not what happens. If people were willing and able to defer consumption to when things got cheaper, nobody would have bought any electronics for the last 70 years and nobody would ever have high interest consumer debt

It's a myth that deflation causes material drops in consumer spending. The inverse is what's true: drops in consumer spending cause deflation, as producers are forced to lower prices to move inventory that people stopped buying

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u/justin107d 6h ago

Not all goods are created equal, especially larger purchases.

I agree that consumer spending causes deflation. All my examples have been from the consumer's point of view. But it can also be cyclical. Pressure on companies can put pressure on employees who are also consumers.

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u/UmpireDapper1757 6h ago

True that not all goods are crated equal. Larger purchases (also durable and inventoriable goods) are the best candidates for temporal substitution, and they're also the most sensitive to interest rates.

Which is to say that most other goods and services are very insensitive to temporal substitution, which makes hand-wringing about deflation caused by price drops of those goods misguided at best

To say nothing of the fact that falling demand can only be economically problematic as it pertains to domestically-produced and consumed goods. There are zero negative effects of falling import prices (and if there were, tariffs would solve them). And falling domestic prices of export goods are simply irrelevant, by definition - actually deflation tends to be excellent for exporters because their costs tend to go down while their revenues are unaffected.

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u/justin107d 5h ago

> drops in consumer spending causes deflation, as producers are forced to lower prices to move inventory that people stop buying.

> deflation caused by price drops of those goods [is] misguided at best.

I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. I unfortunately don't have time to dig into your other claims.

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u/UmpireDapper1757 4h ago

hand-wringing about deflation caused by price drops of those goods [is] misguided at best

is what I actually said.

Those statements are not contradictory in any sense.