r/PoursTea • u/Timbucktwo1230 Therapy For All 🩷 • 26d ago
Murdered By Words 🩸 The World’s Richest Man Has A Problem With Food Security
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u/Shido_Ohtori 26d ago
Conservatism -- by definition -- is "a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing the importance of established hierarchies and institutions (such as religion, the family, and class structure), and preferring gradual development to abrupt change".
The sole value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources.
To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those [they perceive to be] on top [of social hierarchy] to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom. The first greatest injustice is for those on the bottom to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top.
Conservatives absolutely need an underclass [for society] to demonize and dehumanize in order to maintain [their] hierarchy, and every single one of their policies and rhetoric work to do exactly that. Unless the accusation is one of disrespecting hierarchy, every right-wing accusation is a confession -- every. single. one; always! -- as it is never the act itself that upsets them, but rather, the social standing of the person doing the act, as said act is a privilege meant for those on top of [their perceived] hierarchy (See also: pedophilia - Trump and the Catholic church versus LGBTQ+ and drag queens; protests - January 6th vs. BLM and No Kings; parental rights - anti-LGBTQ+ vs pro-LGBTQ+; indoctrination - religion vs. education).
Those who believe all people are people see hypocrisy, while those who believe some people are "more/less" people than others see hierarchy. Hypocrisy implies a sense of equality/parity, as the accusation of such is that someone is violating a universal or common standard. Hierarchy directly states that there is no equality/parity, that different social strata have different standards, that the only universal standard concerning hierarchy is that those on top are allowed privileges which are denied to those on the bottom, and that the bottom are held to standards which the top are exempt from.
"Know your place" is their mantra.
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u/MeusRex 25d ago
Looks like you made some snowflakes mad by citing the definition of their political believes :D
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u/Zestyclose_Potato633 25d ago
hahahaha. Well at least you've described your inability to understand conservatives quite well.
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u/_ScubaDiver 25d ago
I’d like to see you try to explain why this guy isn’t correct, but I also have little doubt anything you wrote would be absolutely be full of bullshit and nonsense.
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u/geraltoftakemuh 26d ago
Man who hasn’t been to a grocery store in two decades has opinion about grocery stores
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u/Gryffinsmore 26d ago
Lmao it’s the same as when Tucker was in awe of a Russian supermarket, when he’s just that out of touch.
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u/sadpandawanda 26d ago
The crazy part is that it wasn't a real "Russian" grocery store. I had a Russian colleague point that out. Apparently it was part of a chain that is actually French but has locations in Russia - and it's actually a fairly high-end chain. Tucker's order came to about $105 in American dollars, and the average Russian salary, roughly, is around $1,200 monthly. So not something your average Russian will afford.
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u/Otterhendrix 26d ago
I saw that a SpaceX rocket crashed into the moon recently. Can we make sure Musk is on the next one?
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u/Effective_Pack8265 26d ago
What exactly is he saying is ironic?
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u/Lonely-Tennis2171 26d ago
Two possible answers;
99% chance he thinks a publicly owned store charging any amount of money for groceries is ironic. This is, of course, not irony and completely in line with what was always the stated plan for these stores.
1% chance he’s referring to the store cards mentioned in that same announcement. MAGA is claiming this is ironic since Mamdani is against voter ID, but the store cards are not ID cards so the comparison is nonsense.
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u/whatisdreampunk 26d ago
Right? I read over this a few times trying to figure out what point Elon was trying to make here. Mamdani made campaign promises, and he is quickly following through on them. No surprises and certainly no irony.
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u/CreativeFraud 26d ago
I'm still looking for an answer. What the hell is this moron on about?
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u/_ScubaDiver 25d ago
I saw someone post Musk comment about watching Star Wars / Hunger Games etc, and rooting for the rebels but then supporting the bad guys in real life. That must be rage bait or/and he’s incredibly stupid since he is the Empire and an ardent District 1/2 supporter of the Hunger Games in this scenario.
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u/successfullynumb 26d ago edited 26d ago
If people aren't worried about food, shelter, healthcare, and childcare they are less likely to work a slave-ish amount of hours for a pittance. Of course billionaires are against that.
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u/Concurrency_Bugs 26d ago
Honestly, I'm all for capitalism for "comfort" stuff, like a bigger house, vehicles, etc. But stuff you need to survive should be socialized. Low income housing/rentals for people starting their careers, guaranteed food, base healthcare.
Many people might not like the political streamer Destiny, but he said it best when he said the low and middle class workers are the ones that allow rich people like Elon to keep getting rich, and should be supported.
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u/Upset_Ad_9087 24d ago
It’s cute that you think these stores will fix anything. It’s just going to put nearby mom and pop shops and small grocery stores out of businesses. Any competent economist will tell you that mamdanis plan is incredibly stupid.
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u/BigCballer 26d ago
Be on watch for the moment these stores open, the moment anyone finds even a single bruised banana or apple, the reactionary media is going to mass blast that on every channel telling you how much of a failure this has been.
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u/Tangellos 26d ago
To be fair he is no longer a trillionaire to my knowledge
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u/Wonderful-Variation 26d ago
The specifics honestly don't matter that much at the level where he is. For him, the price of food is completely out of his area of concern, and it's clearly very amusing to him that any politician would try to intervene in that area.
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u/HangoverGang4L 26d ago
I despise him as much, if not more so, than DJT. Dude has the world at his fingertips and just decides to constantly be a douchecanoe for apparently no other reason than acting like a 15 year old emo boy.
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u/sadpandawanda 26d ago
He's much worse that Trump IMO, because he actually has the means to do really meaningful stuff but chooses not to. He could fund literally thousands of clinical trials, fund NGOs all over the world, etc. He actively chooses not to.
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u/Flat-Director-7120 26d ago
Elon Musk est énervé car des pauvres qui n'ont pas d'autre moyen se fournisse dans des épicerie solidaire de Mamdani à des prix abordable. Ce trillionaire est un putain de fils de pute, une sale ordure capitaliste. Il ne pense qu'à sa petite gueule d'enfoiré et oublie le reste, les gens ordinaire qui survive. Ce gars là à totalement oublié ce que ça voulait dire être pauvre.
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u/Fezbin 26d ago
So I get that Musk is a self absorbed idiot and needs no reason for being an idiot but what does he think is "Ironic" about this?
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u/Greghole 26d ago
In order to shop at these grocery stores you are required to show ID. Democrats oppose requiring ID to vote. He considers this contradiction ironic.
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u/Snoo93550 26d ago
I don't know if government grocery stores can work or help...but it's infinitely more possible than Elon's dishonest promise that AI is going to make everyone healthy/wealthy and nobody will have any problems. As if we're all going to own the AI/robotic workforce equally and not have just a few trillionaires profiting off of it while the rest of us get scraps and no jobs.
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u/Le_Kistune 26d ago
Does Elon Musk even know what the word irony means? What's ironic about a mayor setting up government assisted food programs?
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u/Popular_Tie4688 26d ago
It's all about power if you know you can make people starve to death you have power
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u/pumpkins21 26d ago
Elon Musk needs to have the most serious of heart attacks while overexerting himself by bathing in the shower.
I hope he rots in hell.
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u/sasuage-and-buns 26d ago
The city owned grocery store is a bad idea. It’s going to run other grocers out of business then it’s not going to be able to procure food because producers would rather sell else where. Once procurement slows, food shortages happen, then once that happens people will move out of NY. Once that happens tax revenues will go down putting further strain on the municipal & state governments.
This has never worked in history. I do not understand the willingness to continue to try the same idiotic scheme over and over again. It ends the same every time. Bread lines are a story as old as Marxs in Eastern Europe. Best of luck NY.
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u/SummonerDerivatives 26d ago
Can we stop asking what Musk thinks? Musk is too dumb for me to care what he thinks.
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u/brandnewsecondhand10 25d ago
Truly friendless drug-addict who posts as his own infant son and elderly mother experiences seething hatred at affable mayor who most people really enjoy the presence of.
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u/Lex-Luthor-SWJ 25d ago
He was only a trillionaire for a couple of hours before they tanked…
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u/FailosoRaptor 25d ago edited 25d ago
Elon is professionally outraged by a lot of things. But I'm getting so tired of theatrics on both sides.
People are not arguing if kids should starve. Or whether kids should be bombed. They are arguing about the correct path to a resolution.
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Okay, here is the counter argument. And I know this argument has a counter counter argument. The point isn't the validity. The point I'm trying to make is that people are not evil morons. They are looking at the problem from a different lens.
Grocery stores operate on very thin markets. If a government store can come in at provide prices way below the actual purchasing cost for products with help of taxes. That puts a huge amount of stress of private businesses. Some will likely go out of business and you lose that food support in that area. Businesses once gone, don't just come back. It actually takes a while for things to ramp up.
So now you have created a situation where the city now needs to get good at managing food. Right now this is basically handled by the market. Do you guys think the government can effectively do this? The government does an AMAZING job with construction. Do you think the government will do this efficiently? And would this ultimately save on resources? Or are you just digging a deeper hole.
Basically, do you think the government should be doing this or maybe something else with it's time/money.
The argument is opportunity costs. Is it better to just give people an allowance so they can afford to shop at the current system and then use the energy spent on trying to figure out food management on something else more productive. Maybe like parks? Maybe like youth programs? Maybe education? Drug prevention?
If you asked me, I would love to see a concentrated effort at fixing the Fentanyl crisis pretty much all across America. This has the biggest returns of investment. Not getting involved in food distribution. I would rather give people money / month than deal with all the work involved in setting this up and having it potentially fail.
And fine. You can argue against this. It's no big deal. I don't fully agree with some of these points myself. I think the situation is complex and requires balance. There is no way there isn't some corporate collusion happening and the government can help push back against that.
The point is simple though. These people don't want hungry kids. They are simply saying that this is the wrong way to go about it.
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u/Global-Jury8810 Popularity Is Not My Forte 26d ago
Elon, you order online from Erewhon, you’re not even part of that conversation.
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u/jartoonZero 26d ago
ELI5: What's the 'irony' Musk is even referring to? Like, the steelman version. What's ironic about the price plan for the grocery stores?
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u/Tactrix1 26d ago
Elon can't even figure out how many kids he has because he doesn't support them. He's always been and will continue to be a deadbeat. The irony of him ever being allowed to speak on anything with any authority when all he's ever done is steal other peoples ideas and take credit for their inventions is baffling.
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u/turdbutler 26d ago
Yea its called a trend. A socialist will say theyre trying to lower prices for everyone. Next thing you know every store has to be a discount store, and you are rationed how much you can buy.
Trading saving some money for freedom, does that sound american to you?
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u/Operation_Neither 26d ago
Say, isn't that the same guy who said he would end world hunger if someone presented him with a plan, and then someone gave him a plan, and then he just bought Twitter instead?
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u/Bl4ckBeardD 26d ago
One day you’ll watch on Netflix “The raise and fall of Elon Musk”
I have that feeling
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u/V-oxPopuli 26d ago
I don't even understand what he's trying to say. What's ironic? Is he just using that word to mean "The word I say about things I don't like"
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u/rip93ford 26d ago
This is missing some context. I guess in order to get into these stores you need to prove you're a resident, via some sort of id. So now the right is using this as an opportunity to tell their base that this guy in New York is pushing for IDs for food but not for voting in elections.
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u/userhwon 26d ago
To be clear:
The world's richest man has a problem with government, and this is effective government that is doing the job government is supposed to do.
He wants government gone so he can be government. The kind of government we fought a literal war to stop, made of the richest person in the country and their family and friends.
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u/bf2afers 26d ago
Every communist supermarket I’ve seen on YouTube is a suffering for the people at the end of its line, it will start fantastic then it will just deteriorate gradually and everyone will say I told you so and people will say that wasn’t true whatever that was. This is just people first phase of trying to shut the other side down because of “hay it’s working now so they will call you names phase”
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u/GeorgiePorgie2358 26d ago
What in the hell does Musk mean by irony? I still don’t understand. Yes, it’s Musk so of course it’s a hot take, but was is he saying?
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u/Silver_Elk_7953 26d ago
They need staving people to motivate workers … they cannot be comfortable!
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u/blackninjar87 26d ago
I can see musk paying people to go buy out the grocery stores just so others can't eat.
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u/Impressive_Okra2804 26d ago
Wtf even is the irony in Mamdani's plan for city owned grocery store???
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u/CzBuCHi 26d ago
yeah ... in a few months all non-government shops will close due to inability to compete (== a lot of people will lose their jobs), then government shops will introduce quotas (because otherwise the first few customers will buy everything), quotas will of course be derived from the gov. score (something like a credit score, but derived from how a person behaves - for example, voting for the wrong candidate is a lot of minus points ...)
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u/anderskants 26d ago
I'm still trying to figure out wtf is ironic about it to him and I'm starting to think he just doesn't understand what the word means means...
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u/rosiejunior 26d ago
Musk is responsible for the death of millions with his reckless doge slashing. He wants everyone starving because no one likes him.
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u/Inevitable_Panic5534 26d ago
i think the irony is . no id to vote but id required to buy cheap veg .
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u/LimeGrass619 26d ago
Buying food made cheap by tax money. Basically, they would be buying food made cheap with their own money. I dont see how thats cheaper.
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u/Neither_Tip_5291 26d ago
The Irony being: required I.D. for food isn't racist, but required I.D. for voting is racist.
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u/Adventurous-Sale4129 26d ago
How is the store working? Can anyone just come and buy?
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u/Ok_Star_4136 Royal Watcher 26d ago
Elon Musk: "So many people in the comments were saying I was dumb because didn't know what irony meant, which is like, so ironic."
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u/AccordingRecord2145 26d ago
You guys think the government is going to run something efficiently and help poor people? Neat.
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u/unkindled1 26d ago
Those stores will crash the whole economy in that subsection of business. Other places won’t be able to compete with a subsidiary establishment such as a city ran store. You can come back to this comment after 6 months of those things being open
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u/MoodyPrince_XoXo 26d ago
Elon musk is a fucking addict. Ketamine is destroying his ability to process any sense of logic.
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u/Busy-Leg8070 25d ago
of course he does that food desert didn't make it self the rich decided to make a place without local food to drive out the people without the money to have things delivered or hire shoppers
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u/Triedeverynamek 25d ago
Well he wants to i.d to make sure the resources only go to nyc residents but doesn’t believe in boarders. you are completely ignoring the irony do to your hate, for the man who actually saved free speech. Thats why yall hate him Twitter isn’t like reddit were liberals just ban anyone opinion they hate. O he wants the resources to go to only nyc Residents but open boarders so anyone can have American citizens resources. Yea of course he’s pointing out the hypocrisy
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u/Triedeverynamek 25d ago
Funny my comments pointing out the hypocrisy of wanting no boarders but wanting to boarder the store on who can come in
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u/GnomeWhoThinks 25d ago edited 24d ago
I cant wait for two years from now when everyone is eating their words. But I also dont expect any of you to remember any of this because you've all got the brains of literal goldfish.
Edit: It also makes me sad because there are those of you too stupid to know any better just nodding your heads and going along with this because you dont understand that we live in an objective reality that isnt dictated by our thoughts. And then there are those of uou who are evil and just want to watch people suffer for your pleasure and theres nothing to be done about you except exile you.
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u/benwinnner 25d ago
Currently the math does not work. The
Bureaucracy added to a banana for the NY government grocery store will be 7x. A q dollar banana will cost taxpayers 7 dollars. 70,000,000 and three years to open it. Also, funny you will need an id to get in!
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u/Ok-Tip-3560 25d ago
He’s not a
Trillionaire nor Is he a parasite
Such an echo chamber of Gen Z Liberal madness
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u/Remarkable-FlipPhone 25d ago
You took the tweet out of context. I get you don’t like Elon but you’re misleading on purpose. This tweet was about showing id
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u/MiniatureMidget 25d ago
Am I stupid, what even is the irony that Elon is referring to
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u/ADownStrabgeQuark 25d ago
He’s upset because the better life is, the harder it is for the rich to exploit the poor.
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u/Traditional-Sir8007 25d ago
No it’s the ID requirement but not an ID to vote smh
Need an ID for literally everything in this country but voting. Wonder why?
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u/Weekly_Molasses_2079 25d ago
The irony is that, in the video, they announced the need for ID to shop in the city-owned stores.
At this point, this meme is a manipulation in very bad faith.
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u/FiorBhanrigh 25d ago
When in the history of history has a government-run grocery store ever succeeded? I'll answer that for you, never. You guys think that all of these socialist things are gonna work, even though they've been tried over and over and over and over again, and they still don't work. And you still don't get it? Somebody is gonna have to pay for those grocery stores. Because nothing is free. And\n When the rich people leave, it'll be the middle class who has to pay for all of that. And when the middle class becomes too poor or they leave the poor have to pay for it, the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money to spend. Side note as I am speaking means truth. I am getting a warning saying name, calling inflammatory language and rhetoric will lead to a ban. Make your point politely and respectfully translation. Don't tell the truth, that's a translation to this warning. You can't tell the truth and you can't disagree with liberals. I'm only pointing out fact moderators. I am not saying anything mean to anybody. I am just saying, and asking the question, when has this ever worked? Because in the history of histories, it has never worked. So if I get a ban for this, then you prove my point. Then you just want the propaganda and not the truth
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u/Exciting_Winner_9482 25d ago
You misread the entire thing Id for food but not voting, you're disingenuous. And low IQ
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u/Soggy-Towel5676 25d ago
The city is facing a $12.6 billion deficit for FY 2026 & 2027, where is the money for this? Balancing a budget and being able to lower taxes (sales, income, etc) would do so much more for people….
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u/Usual-Escape6747 25d ago
I think Elon is referring to the 💩 show that is state owned grocery stores. One, you’ll need an ID to buy your taxpayer funded groceries. Two, the government is horrible at running businesses. So the overall cost to taxpayers will be higher than a regular grocery store. Three, the shelves will be empty. Enjoy.
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u/Rich_Explanation_613 25d ago
They call it communism but will gladly send my tax dollars overseas to other countries.
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u/Significant-Ebb5905 25d ago
Actually the irony is that Mamdani first said that you will need a NY State ID to buy food, but not to vote. Good try, took the left long enough to think this one up…
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u/Ok_Ovencooker 25d ago
I love how everyone just thinks that he has all this money sitting in his bank account and can withdraw it at an ATM. You criticize the rich but do nothing to help people lesser than you. Dip into your 401k. Take 15 percent of it out to help the less fortunate.
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u/Righteous_Hand 25d ago
What "irony" is Musk referring to, though? He has a habit of refusing to elaborate that his stans seem to think is deep, but it just makes no sense.
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u/Shoddy-Constant5749 25d ago
The post is in response to requiring ID to buy groceries. The irony being it's bad to ask for ID to prove you can legally vote, but okay to ask for ID to buy a bag of potato chips.
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u/Texas-Couple 25d ago
Nobody is affording anything. They're just taxing people and using subsidies to prop up their little government-run grocery store. I would rather keep all the money I make to buy groceries for myself. The real downside is that other stores won't be able to compete with government subsidy and the small ones will go out of business.
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u/cryptosupaman 25d ago
Every attempt at price controls in the past has literally caused food shortages
Idk what it is with the left and not knowing basic economics
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u/PIK_Toggle 25d ago
It’s the fact that an ID is required to purchase groceries that is the irony here.
The point of the ID is to prevent fraud. Meanwhile, people oppose an ID to vote, which is designed to prevent fraud.
The control here is the ID as a mechanism to prevent fraud. Advocating for, and against, the same control is the irony.
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u/Doc_Psycho80 25d ago
lol. Jesus in the video. That you take the screen shot from this tweet. One of the members of Mamdanis staff says you have to show ID to shop at the city owned markets
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u/FlyinDtchman 25d ago
I'm pretty far left and agree with most of the policies he's put out... but even I think this is a bad idea.
Grocery stores run on VERY thin margins. There are numerous problems with the current food infrastructure of the US and the massive monopiles that run it but this isn't going to fix any of those problems. It will just be a giant waste of tax payer money for everyone involved. .
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u/Previous_Type_2289 25d ago
The mindset of the billionaire class is fundamentally "I got mine, I don't care about you". No matter that most of these people inherited their money and haven't worked a hard day in their lives. They are despicable people who don't care if children starve
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u/Repulsive_Dinner6539 25d ago
The irony is you need an ID to get free food but he’s against voter ID because it’s racist. So which is it? Lol
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u/ComfortableWeird6540 25d ago
People really don't understand that wishing for cheap/free groceries and actually delivering it are two entirely separate things? Just because you REALLY REALLY REALLY want a policy to succeed, doesn't mean it actually will. Generally, the government is pretty bad at running most things so the idea that they can somehow deliver on this at a reasonable cost for the taxpayers would be very surprising.
And just because you criticise a policy with good intentions, doesn't mean that you want the opposite of what the policy aims to achieve to happen. You can direct criticism towards altruistic projects if they become too wasteful, or if their actual outcomes are opposite to those they wanted.
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u/Street-Grand6641 25d ago
He never did without, he needs to grow some empathy. Oh, right, "trillionaire." Yeah, bugger off, poop heel.
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u/Professional-Bit-287 24d ago
The irony he speaks of is the mandatory ID for grocery shopping but not votung
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u/ModtheMods420 24d ago
The "irony" is the richest person in the world couldnt be bothered to better anyones life beyond his own vision.
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u/No-Answer8366 24d ago
Mamdani is donating his parents millions for socialist cause, initial discount grocery shop will be funded by that!!
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u/MajesticMiracles 24d ago
Why is his comment edited out? What did Elon actually say because you know the truth matters?
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u/a_angry_bunny 24d ago
Musk literally wants your children to die because they take money that could be going into his pockets. He didn't say those exact words, but he might as well have.
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u/97buckeye 24d ago
That's not the irony he was talking about, dumb dumb. He was talking about the irony of requiring an ID to shop in the stores to allow only NYC citizens to shop there, while being against voter ID to ensure only Americans can vote. So, are you being dumb or are you just disingenuous?
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u/Pristine_Context_429 24d ago
The irony was Pak saying that they were going to use some kind of ID to track who’s using the 30% discount so no takes advantage of the program.
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u/Duece_29 24d ago
Wait. I thought he was putting in free stores? Oh that lasted a day until it was looted empty. Now you paying already. Soon paying more and more.
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u/Nebula-Girl-38 26d ago
Musk is a parasite that will destroy society if allowed.