r/PoursTea • u/Fast_Adhesiveness528 • 25d ago
All The Tea ☕️ Star Wars Fans Who Rooted For The Empire?
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u/Historical-Finish564 25d ago
This is right on. Trump even looks like the evil villains running the empire.
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u/Ok_Breakfast5425 25d ago
Nah, he looks like Jabba the Hutt
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u/Zomunieo 25d ago
Trump and Jabba:
- speak incoherent gibberish
- gross, smelly, sluggish
- always tilt their head so that their left eye is higher
- have a fight pit just outside their workplace
- like to party but have awkward dance moves and questionable taste in music
- have spineless robots as assistants (C-3PO, MRCO-RuBO)
- surround themselves with beautiful women, not necessarily for sex as a display of power
- collect tacky art, trophies and gifts
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u/fauxzempic 25d ago
So what you're saying is that we find a female general of Antifa, let her get captured, chain her up next to him and uh...see what happens on the
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u/DeadlyYellow 25d ago
What's questionable about wanting an earful of jizz? Jabba was known to be quite the jizzhound.
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u/Just-a-Viking 25d ago
I was going to say that would be rude to Jabba but no, that’s pretty accurate
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u/issuefree 25d ago
Example #541324564323252345 that conservatives are catastrophically stupid.
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u/Top-Cupcake4775 25d ago
MAGA actually thinks they are "the Rebellion" as they steadfastly champion the right of rich, white, Christian men to fuck over everyone else.
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u/Anonmasterrace7898 25d ago
Meanwhile they keep making memes portraying themselves as the Empire.
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u/nhalliday 24d ago
Well yeah, because they also need to make it clear that they're in control. They're just also the rebels fighting against the attempted evil empire of the left.
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u/Ghostronic 25d ago
We literally just had the governor of Nevada up on stage full-on throat gargling Trump (who was looming over him from behind) about how he's taking care of his billionaire friends and we need to support that in the name of "job creation."
God I hope we vote out Trump and dumb fucking Governor Lombardo.
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u/ROBtimusPrime1995 25d ago
One of the best jokes from Wake Up Dead Man, a film directed by Rian Johnson of The Last Jedi fame.
"Together we can build a real empire, as father and son." - Cy (Manosphere conservative influencer)
"Like in Star Wars?" - Father Jud
"Yeah, exactly, like the Rebels." - Cy
"I think you mean Empire, but we'll let it go." - Jud
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u/Street-Grand6641 25d ago
I mean, stormtroopers are dressed in white...but im not sure that Jango qualifies as white...so, this is fun.
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u/Mourning__Coffee 25d ago
Kinda like putting your enforcers in masks so their original identities no longer matter and they are seen only as the arm of the regime.
....wait
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u/Expert-Mental25 25d ago edited 25d ago
Fun fact, by the OT at least, the only clones still involved with the Empire were aging instructors (if any at all, remember that they had accelerated aging so that they could fast forward through "childhood" of just training so they can be out on the front lines as quick as possible. In hindsight, with all the circumstances around them, I'm genuinely surprised at how non-fascist the average clone was when they were free of the chip's control. They were more like the stereotypical valiant war hero trope we see emphasized in the education/media of liberal democracies. Just a side tangent I thought of now).
The Stormtroopers most people (especially the tourist "fans") think of were just regular human-supremacist fascist people conscripted into the military. Even tho they were generally more competent and skilled than the Stormtrooper corps (especially as time goes on and the recruitment and training standards of the Corps plummet so they can get bodies for the war machine) the Emperor still deemed the Jango Clones too difficult to control, too willful, and wanted to seize the cloning tech to solely be used for cloning a force sensitive body for himself, while destroying the cloning facilities on Kamino.
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u/DaaaahWhoosh 25d ago
It's kinda crazy to me how many people think the original trilogy stormtroopers are all clones. Like I guess there's nothing in the movies themselves to contradict it, so it's a normal enough assumption to make. But no one would have assumed they were all clones until the prequels, and now it's apparently a common enough assumption that the modern sequels had to explicitly say their stormtroopers weren't clones so no one would be confused when John Boyega showed up.
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u/SecretaryOtherwise 25d ago
I dunno luke hinting he was gonna enlist before they killed his aunt and uncle kinda contradicts them all being clones.
A moisture farmer from "tatooine" isnt officer material. Sure he could be an engineer or something but its likely he meant a grunt or pilot.
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u/Expert-Mental25 25d ago
It's been a minute, but wasn't that for like a tie pilot academy? I could be wrong.
Then again, we're talking modern audiences. How many do you think actively registered the brief line, and of those how many remember it?
Not excusing it obviously. I get really annoyed at the level of media illiteracy. Believe it's a symptom of a serious societal problem. But more just saying it's not surprising or shocking enough to waste our energy on ya know?
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u/DaaaahWhoosh 25d ago
So I'd been meaning to look it up for a different reason, but it seems like it's never actually mentioned in the film what the Academy is. If you dig into the expanded universe materials sure it's the Imperial Academy for training officers and fighter pilots, but just going off what's actually in the film there's no indication he'd be working for the Empire. He just wanted to leave Tatooine and see the galaxy.
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u/fauxzempic 25d ago edited 25d ago
Even the deleted scene with Luke and Biggs on Tatooine, Luke's like "yo, how is the Academy?" and Biggs is like "oh, yeah...I ended up doing something else." I suppose it's implied that it has something to do with military stuff (military schools are called academies, they seemed to align their interest with flight.)
But in context, it's really freakin wild.
Like imagine being in a relatively remote area of Alaska where it's pretty bleak all the time. Politically people probably lean fairly conservative and would consider themselves patriotic.
Then local boy leaves to go to The Naval Academy. Everyone's probably proud even though they're not totally sure about that group of friends he hangs with.
Then he returns for a beat and he's talking to his friend.
"Oh the Naval Academy? Oh don't tell anyone but I joined [well organized organization that would be classified as the #1 terrorist organization]. You should join!"
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u/SecretaryOtherwise 25d ago edited 25d ago
In an empire the academy wouldve likely been military, the dude has no education.
Its a fascist system of governance.
The context is there for it. (Not like theres a jedi academy still lol)
Also see the world/universe is a recruitment slogan lol (remember the time these movies originated in)
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u/Idaho-Earthquake 25d ago
Not that it’s conclusive proof, but Leia does seem to think they should all be of a certain height…
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u/imahugemoron 25d ago
They don’t have any media literacy, same thing with Republican Star trek fans
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u/Pasta4ever13 25d ago
Conservative Star Trek fans have to be the funniest people ever.
Literally watching a show where they live in space communism.
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u/Mictlantecuhtli 25d ago
Conservative Trekkies continually baffle me. They really came out of the woodwork to hate on Discovery
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u/Max_Rockatanski 25d ago
You can't expect them to take away any deeper meaning from art when they inherently think art is stupid. Best they can do is look for reasons to hate it and if they find something they like it aligns with their despicable values, that's why they root for the bad guys.
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u/Expert-Mental25 25d ago
It's brain disease and/or damage.
Look at Fetterman. Dude became pretty much an Isreal-first conservative cuz a stroke destroyed his brain.
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u/issuefree 25d ago
Leaded gasoline doomed the planet. Not through environmental destruction but through brain damaged boomers.
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u/Pasta4ever13 25d ago
It is a bit of a subtle indictment that a person who seemed at least reasonably normal had a traumatic health event that damaged his brain and it made him conservative as a result.
I'd be rethinking things after that if I was conservative.
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u/Expert-Mental25 25d ago
I mean to be blunt, if you could rethink things, you'd likely not be a conservative anyway.
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u/Jijonbreaker1 24d ago
There are conservatives who think Star Trek favors their ideology. They are fundamentally broken.
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u/AlreadyFifty 25d ago
If anything, him hating Trump just makes me love him more!
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u/Odd-Fun-6042 25d ago
The same people got stuck in an error loop when they found out that Homelander was always the villain.
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u/Shoddy-Vehicle8536 25d ago
I mean the first evil act we see him do is literally shooting a plane out the sky full of people and a kid who he just signed an autograph for.
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u/Odd-Fun-6042 25d ago
And yet sooooo many people thought he was a good guy until the very end and got angry because the "show went WOKE DURRRR".
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u/SnooMaps7370 25d ago
Conservatives failing to understand that scifi and fantasy stories largely exist to critique conservative mindsets and policies is a pretty well-established trope at this point.
There needs to be an equivalent to the Dunning-Kruger effect for media literacy.
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u/VirtualBeyond6116 25d ago
Yeah, who knew so many would totally support the evil Empire. Right now, the rest of world is only taking comfort that Pete Hegeseth and trump are the ones operating the Death Star.
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u/archercc81 25d ago
My dad loved Star Trek TNG/DSN but thinks everything is woke now, amazing how brainwashed old people can get.
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u/MadRaymer 25d ago
TNG literally had an episode about aliens without gender. Did he skip that one?
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u/E-2theRescue 25d ago
All these people see are funny looking aliens and space lasers. Nothing else matters to their unga bunga brain cell.
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u/archercc81 25d ago
Honestly. He was brainwashed in retirement mainly. I don't think any of that shot offended him but it probably also didn't sink in
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u/DOAiB 25d ago
A lot of people love stormtroopers and the empire. And in some sense I can get it they just look cool. I am surprised how many just wish they could get force choked by daddy Vader to get their rocks off.
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u/KevineCove 25d ago
That's because fiction usually gives you an objective view of the sides involved. Films like Starship Troopers get much less consistent reception because you as the viewer actually have to do some work.
It's the same thing as all of these studies showing people prefer more left-leaning policies. Of course they do, because the policies are presented objectively in the surveys. But by the time the real legislation reaches their awareness, they're not hearing about the legislation as it is, they're hearing Fox News' fearmongering.
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u/EmiKetsueki 25d ago
Not grasping, and disagreeing are two different things. Gotta stop assuming they dont understand what theyre rooting for at this point.
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u/Very_Curious_Cat 25d ago
On the contrary, they understood very well it's way easier to indulge into their evil propensities and acquire power through the dark side of the Force.
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u/Competitive_Fox_3546 25d ago
Am I allowed to make the point that just because you dont agree with something doesn’t mean you dont understand it
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u/DeadInternetVoid 24d ago
Deplorables are too busy watching Sydney Sweeney get her tits out as a minor in Euphoria.
And step sister, fuck the babysiter porn.
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u/Electrical_Leg4599 24d ago
You can’t be a Star Wars fan and hate Mark Hamill.
You can’t be a Star Wars fan and be maga. The two just don’t go together.
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u/AnonMoose2 25d ago
Thats because media literacy is at an all time low. Same people think Paul Atreades is the hero of Dune.
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u/doublethink_1984 25d ago
Almost as dumb as the person who made the Andor edit of Rogue One being super MAGA
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u/keeper_of_the_donkey 25d ago
The amount of people that do not understand starship troopers past "kill bugs hooyahh" is insane. Like literally the first scene in the classroom where he's teaching about civilians and citizens is all you need.
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u/Turbulent-End-6307 25d ago
Funny the "rebels" were fighting to restore the Old "Republic" hmmmm 😆 🤣
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u/TechnicalWhore 25d ago
One sides Rebel it the other sides Patriot. Knowing which side to choose is a classic journey.
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u/Unfair_Ad6161 25d ago
Anyone who played TIE Fighter forever ago. It adds a ton of perspective about the Empire you almost never see anywhere else. Running down pirates, stopping civil wars, and dealing with criminal empires. TIE Fighter was awesome, man. I played that so much as a kid.
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u/redbaronfel 25d ago
I've always wanted to get an order of the emperor tattoo, but now that real world fascism has returned it no longer seems as fun.
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u/Ok-Telephone-2109 25d ago
Jokes on you. I don't care what political party an actor leans towards. Their opinions DO NOT matter. They're entertainers. They get paid to talk!
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u/7thFleetTraveller 25d ago
Common misperception. Most Star Wars fans never "hated" him for his personal political views, or would even agree with him. But what they heavily, and rightfully, criticized him for, are incidents like when he went to an event where people already had to stand in line and wait for an expensive autograph - and instead of talking about Star Wars, he would just rant about Trump instead. That just gives grumpy old guy vibes who doesn't care anymore what his fans actually came for.
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u/Scratchbuttdontsniff 25d ago
Randal Graves: [talking about the second Death Star] A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante Hicks: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at...
Randal Graves: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante Hicks: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal Graves: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed - casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. [notices Dante's confusion]
Randal Graves: All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
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u/AggroThroatGoat 25d ago
Whelp... we gotta HAND it to Mark Hamill for not liking trump
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u/HenriEttaTheVoid 25d ago
Conservatives have bad media literacy and only understand things on a very surface-level. They like aesthetics but get mad if you talk about the meaning or subtext.
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u/jjrr_qed 25d ago
Love Mark Hamill. Don’t care at all about his politics—that’s not his purpose for me, and it won’t influence my enjoyment of his work one way the other.
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u/BeenThruIt 25d ago
I think it's safe for people to separate Mark Hamil, the actor, from a movie role.
I personally don't understand people who get all up in arms about other people's political takes, but I'm guessing that's an uncommon opinion around these parts.
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u/dakowiml 25d ago
It's like people discovering Rage Against The Machine is.... raging against the machine.
Or people who haven't really listened to the lyrics of Born in the USA.
Or people that didn't really get American Psycho wasn't telling you to agree with Patrick Bateman
Or unironically yelling ''Murica FUCK YEAH!'' While that movie (Team America) and song was all satire about the US, made by the guys behind Southpark.
Or people who, in a few months, will go ''OMG Grand Theft Auto has become woke!'' While finally catching onto all of the USA parody and satire in that franchise. They probably never even caught on Weazel News being a straight up Fox News parody. Weazel... Fox... get it?
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u/Upbeat_Persimmon7166 25d ago
Nobody who ever watched star wars has ever said Darth Vader has some good ideas. Nobody has ever said if laya, Luke, Han and chewbaca just submitted they would have been happier.
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u/Formally_Apologetic 24d ago
I wonder if these chucklefucks ever have a moment of self reflection and realize that the reason they can't like any of their favorite actors, or bands, or comedians anymore isn't because those people suddenly changed and became "woke". It's because they are in a cult that wants them to stay asleep.
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u/Still_Bluebird8070 24d ago
My favorite is when these morons figure out Bruce Springsteen. It’s like they’ve been listening to him for four years and never heard one lyric. And once they hear it, they’re like ‘wait a minute when did he become a commie, he wrote, born in the USA song about how wonderful and great. The USA is better than all the other places where everyone’s thriving. and after writing that good america’s perfect song, he decided to go be a commie
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u/uttercross2 24d ago
The reality is that those who are Donny supporters and who can't see the parallels between what is currently going on and the Star Wars franchise are simpletons that, no matter what they hear, experience, or see, they will continue to follow Jabba the Trump no matter what. It's a total cult that probably provides evidence of the first evolutionary split in humanity between intellectual humans and knuckle dragging primates that are likely going back to living in trees.
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u/nerdslife1864 24d ago
If you voted for Donald trump it’s safe to say you don’t understand much of anything.
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u/CookieFeeling 24d ago
Oh they totally think they get it, but dumbass Maga thinks THEY are the rebels and mark doesn't represent luke. They receive gold medals in mental gymnastics
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u/TerranItDown94 24d ago
I’m just gonna go ahead and say, SOME people hate Mark for his hatred of DT. Others, like myself, only dislike Mark’s portrayal of Luke in the sequel trilogy.
But people sometimes think the two are the same.
Also, people hate actors all the time for not liking one political side or the other. Remember Mel Gibson, Jim Caviezel, Chris Pratt, or Kevin Sorbo? They have been blacklisted and hated at times for supporting conservative and/or Republican and/or Christian values. So stop acting like the hate for Mark has any correlation to starwars or its theme or governmental structure.
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u/Broccoli-Cool 24d ago
If mass media and Hollywood is on your side, hate to break it to ya, but you’re the opposite of the resistance 🤣
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u/Similar_Ad4120 24d ago
So the left cheering for bigger government and more oversight and more taxes is “the rebellion” 😂😂😂
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u/Personal-Ad7623 25d ago
Just like how rage against the machine went woke. They didnt get them either
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u/Main_Lion2387 25d ago
I hate him because he's a Zionist.
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u/Kythorian 25d ago
He’s said he’s opposed to Netanyahu and supports Palestine, he just opposes Hamas. That’s not really being a zionist.
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u/TheDeadlyDonut 25d ago
The Rebel alliance fighting the Galactic empire was Vietnam fighting the United States. This is not mystery. The parallels between the Government and the Empire are so hard to miss you are likely to faceplant into them.
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u/VandelayArt321 25d ago
To me the message of Star Wars is to knock it out of the park every now and then and you are allowed to coast and make money.
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u/RusticOcelot 25d ago
The Empire brought stability to the galaxy. The Republic was teeming with corruption. The rebellion were a group of anarcho-terrorists who sought to bring back slavery. 😏
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u/SjalabaisWoWS 25d ago
MAGA guys struggle to understand any message at all. Their vibe is hate and digust and that's about it.
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u/Actaeon_II 25d ago
I have wondered about this since maga talking heads first started attacking him
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u/stingertc 25d ago
Who watches starwars and says ya that emperor was totally right and lives there whole life thinking the emperor and Vader were the good giys
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u/Medium_Silver_2071 25d ago
Ever played a game called SWTOR? Come read the Gen Chat for the imperial faction for a bit.
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u/Jayhawk_Scally 25d ago
Funny thing is they think they are the resistance against the establishment so no, they’ll never get it
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u/Tweakler57 25d ago
People think that star wars is non-fiction lol…..taking life lessons from it and shit lmao
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u/ghostoftheradio 25d ago
I work loosely with a guy with a full sleeve of Star Wars tattoos, all Empire and Sith…
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u/Random_ICE_Agent 25d ago
They’re too stupid to grasp anything that isn’t spoon fed to them. And it generally isn’t even grasped then, it’s just parroted.
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u/Im_Just_A_Tourist 25d ago
I will always maintain that The Empire Did Nothing wrong subreddits were about subconsciously getting people to agree with fascism first as a joke but actually over time.
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u/CandidSite9471 25d ago
I personally know quite a few Star Wars fans who rooted for the Empire, before any sequels came out. Usually can't tell if they're trolling or not, but it's a thing.
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u/Hot-Philosophy-7671 25d ago
In The Last Jedi, Luke was a jaded, selfish, bitter old man who learned to embrace change and sacrificed himself for the future of the younger generation. Boomers and my fellow GenXers should listen to Luke as well as Mark.
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u/PirateSometimes 25d ago
They're rooting for this guy
https://giphy.com/gifs/l2SpXchj3P4O8ZBzq