Damage to our international standing is permanent unless the US rewrites and enforces it's constitution on the wealthy. Otherwise, wouldbe allies have learned the US can never be trusted if another demagogue can be elected in the next election.
Please understand that what youâve set in motion cannot be stopped by just electing another POTUS. Youâe ****ed up so badly that every country in the entire world is now busy reconfiguring their economy to bypass the USA. The train has left the station.
Whatâs more, every country that depended on the USA being a partner for security and protection is now busy forming new security alliances and arming themselves because they no longer trust the USA to have their backs.
This is GENERATIONAL damage. Think âUK no longer being an empireâ type of damage. Even IF youâre able to self-correct, there is no happy ending at the end of this tunnel where things go back to being the way they were.
Yep, there is no uno reverse that takes us back to 2015
China will be more influential than ever, new trade deals around the world will be in effect, and at home more division than ever will make it less likely to find common ground to do anything inside the border as well
Add to that no one will bay american weapons. That meens all US weapons will be way more expensive because the production series will be smaller. That will unfortunately cruch the US military dominans
Thatâs true. Whoâd be stupid enough to buy American weapons when the USA has said they could stop maintaining them, or even remotely shut them down later?
Countries who used to be Americaâs unconditional allies now have to seriously consider the possibility of the USA invading them in the future.
I don't think most Americans are even remotely aware of the fact that there has been a firesale on American bonds, something that used to be considered incredibly safe and stable and that fuels much of the American wealth.
Yeah, many canadians are now scared of sharing a border with the states. We used to make fun of seccesionists by talking about why they couldn't survive as an independent country economically, now we just know that any province that splits will be annexed by the states.
It has damaged our ability to trust our only direct neighbour beyond the point of repair. Especially the renewed interest in regime change and kidnapping foreign heads of state, America doesn't tend to stop at one.
I think you're right. We're no longer trusting the US in economic or security issues. The world has shifted and will never be the same again. You'll learn to adapt, I hope.
The crazy part is that Queen Elizabeth voluntarily ended the British Empire and replaced it with the less onerous commonwealth and life lived merrily along for all involved.
Trump on the other hand has systematically destroyed all of the U.S. alliances and there will be no merrily after for them.
I donât think anybody wants to go back to the way it was, because the way it was led to what we have today. What you were saying, so many words is still an opinion.
Yeah there was absolutely no foreign political influence. No barrage of disinformation. No forced culture war issues from oligarchs.
No, they did it to themselves.
Edit. To the wank who replied then immediately blocked so I canât reply back: Did you forget the part where the richest person on the planet was openly bribing votes for millions of dollars?
The first time, yes, maybe your points could excuse them.
But after he showed America, and the world, exactly who he is, how racist, hateful, dishonest, sexist, and fucking stupid, they voted for him a second time, with higher numbers than the first.
No, fuck all the way off with making excuses for them that second time. No amount of disinformation excuses 4 years of seeing who Trump is and choosing to vote for that again. These aren't children, these are grown ass adults, apparently a lot of racist, nationalistic, and just pieces-of-shit adults. Don't coddle them like they don't have any agency.
Well given the fact that the internal political divides in the US seem to be only getting worse, I would frankly be shocked if I don't live to see the start of the 2nd American Civil War.
If that's what you define as "the end".
If you're talking about the end of the US's position on the international stage, yeah that's over. We used to unironically refer to the US president as the leader of the free world. Your current president has tossed that position in the wastebin, and none of his successors will be able to regain it.
Yup. Absolutely is. This sub has also forgotten about AI and the immediate threat that it poses to all of us. Itâs kinda hard to even fathom how much trouble we (normal everyday human) are in. It sucks.
They quit sharing all intelligence with America , and can you blame them , Trump's on the Russian Payroll and he'd sell any & all pertinent intelligence to the wrong nations.
Even if fixed, what reason would Europe for example have to shift the investments they moved out of America back into it? It's now already invested somewhere else. America would have to make that MORE attractive than it used to be to bring people back, a mere return to form is entirely insufficient.
Iâve been saying since the start; the only way Iâd trust the US again is after Nuremberg 2.0
If everyone just gets away with everything; and the USA doesnât overhaul its checks and balances whatâs stopping another president like Trump? Why would I make a deal with a country that may elect someone in 4 years who will just tear it up?
You said that there needs to be Nuremberg trials....so Trump and his administration have done as much damage as Nazi Germany in your opinion. You even talked about an occupying force in the US forcing it, so yes, you are comparing Trump to Hitler.
Saying that the US needs to have a version of the Nuremberg trials does not imply that the administration has done as much damage as Nazi Germany.
You are inventing things which are not in my words, and then falsely applying them to me. Stop that.
As I said, you either struggle with reading comprehension, or you're some sort of troll. My words did not compare Trump to Hitler, and I'm making that explicitly clear now. Learn to read better.
I will insult someone who compares what is happening in the US to what happened in Nazi Germany . It is an insult to the 17 million people murdered by the Nazis for simply existing. Maybe you should refresh your memory of all the atrocities of Nazi Germany.
That's not what they did though. They just said America's "international standing is permanent unless the US has some version of the Nuremberg Trials." That's not a comparison of crimes; it's just their opinion about what it would take for America to gain back lost trust, specifically that it would take comparably effective trials that come with real punishments.
Lots of prison sentences and death penalties were handed out in the Nuremberg trials. Those are arguably more effective punishments than fines for the rich, which is the most severe punishment American courts like to give their corrupt politicians. If that remains America's go-to solution moving forward, it won't make a difference.
Yes, there should be serious trials for serious crimes everywhere. All corrupt leaders in every country should be brought to justice and be given stiffer sentences than a regular citizen would get for the same crimes because leaders should be held to higher standard as they've been trusted with more power.
Unfortunately, other countries also have stupid greedy soulless ghouls who don't think past their next bribe to deal with. Powerful figures, with undue influence, the world over are interconnected and couldn't give a flying fuck about people, country, or the planet. Corpo-neofascist oligarchy any% speed run seems to be the play they're going for.Â
You're not wrong, but that's a completely different thing.
The US has a unique position in a lot of different places, because they had proven themselves trustworthy. For example the US dollar being the default international currency. But with the president constantly using it for pump and dump schemes, and also alienating pretty much every ally, the USD is not considered even nearly as secure anymore. Or removing the law that forbids banks from gambling on the stock market with their customers savings. A law that was created, because that is what directly led to the 2008 financial crisis.
And many more examples, not all of which are about money.
True, but no country makes decisions if they can screw up in 4 years. Nor most companies. It's too high risk. It's why countries are now selling US bonds and that's going to cost the US a fortune since people no longer trust it will be safely paid back. And that will massively affect US arm sales because no country needs a president saying "we can disable your military gear at will". That's a way to kill the sales forever. Like a supermarket saying it only poisoned some of the food.
What happened to Germany between Hitler rising to power and now?
They were militarily destroyed, partitioned, and had their governments run by different countries for decades. There were Nuremberg trials. There was a de-nazification campaign.
It's not just a matter of pride. There are tangible things that happened, that will never happen to America.
The closest you might get is the country collapsing and balkanizing into smaller states that people are willing to deal with.
I expect the US to be four countries by the end of this: the South (will remain hard right, poor and authoritarian), the west coast (could join Canada and be the richest North American country) the north (Everything around Michigan) will be very progressive and a secure wealthy country) the northeast (NY being the heart) could also join with Canada and be a very wealthy progressive country.
TLDR: the biggest losers will be the South and anyone living there.
Americans thinking Canada wants to merge with any part of them is baffling and insulting.
Every blue American state is like, 40% Republican on the low end. Your democrats are too far right for Canada. We don't want your tens of millions of guns in our borders, either.
California alone is the same population as Canada. Culturally and politically, we would be completely absorbed by this west coast America.
It's just a progressive coat of paint on 51st state talk, and you're actively worsening Canada-US relations every time you suggest stuff like this.
LOL while I (an American) agree with most of what you said, the idea that a lone Redditor could single-handedly derail U.S-Canadian relations with an offhand comment is hilarious.
I didn't say that a single redditor is derailing international relations between our governments.
I'm saying Canadians are so sick of America's shit, and comments like this solidify that annexation threats truly do represent America's entitlement to the rest of the world. That many of you would support annexing us as long as it was pitched the right way. And it tells us that we're right not to ever trust America again.
Because it's not just this one American Redditor, we see this entitlement over and over again.
The Supreme court would rather constrain FDR and his new deal policies than Donald Trump and his tariffs. Until the Supreme court is more progressive any fix is bound to only work halfway.
Which means a new US constitution will be mandatory abolishing and rebuilding the top court OR states secede and make their own countries (I see it breaking into four countries (west, north, northeast, south). I wrote about it above.
The power of the presidency will have to be so completely dismantled, and proven to be enforced, before anyone should ever trust the Americans again.Â
Trump already doesn't have the power to do all he has done, but when no one stops him that is only a theoretical point.Â
This is what Iâve been saying. Trump proved to the world that any agreement with the us has a maximum duration of 4 years, and depending on when in the presidency itâs inked, much less. In the past the us has, more or less, held to international agreements made by previous presidents. Trump absolutely shredded every single one he could. I think the rest of the world learned that lesson and wonât forget it right away.
Trump first presidency should have opened its allies eyes, under that man the US switched from a projected empire to a rogue nation.
The possibility of his reelection should have hastened a detatchment from US sphere of influence but we really waited to be in the worst possible time
Boy, you really hate America. Every other country is so great and such a shining example to the world except America, right? People like you are so weird.Â
It's at the point where (as a Canadian, can't speak for everyone or even all Canadians) you can't fix your reputation with some legislation. You've shown us that your legislation means nothing as you're (as a nation, not YOU specifically) unwilling to enforce it. Why would we expect you to continue following any legislation when you've shown that at any time (multiple times) your leaders will flagrantly disregard it and face no consequences.
You can have 3 presidents straight that do an excellent job of getting back on track and writing legislation that is intended to stop this from happening again, but we still know that you'll elect someone that will do it all again.
Your legislation has been shown to be no better than toilet paper for over a decade and your neighbours will remember this for an entire generation or more.
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u/ImmunoBgTD420 2d ago
Damage to our international standing is permanent unless the US rewrites and enforces it's constitution on the wealthy. Otherwise, wouldbe allies have learned the US can never be trusted if another demagogue can be elected in the next election.