r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 2d ago
PoliticalTea š³ļø A lot of work needs to be (un)done...
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u/jimmygee2 2d ago
Itās going to take a lot more than one Presidency to fix it.
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u/ImmunoBgTD420 2d ago
Damage to our international standing is permanent unless the US rewrites and enforces it's constitution on the wealthy. Otherwise, wouldbe allies have learned the US can never be trusted if another demagogue can be elected in the next election.
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u/Caos2 2d ago
Exactly.Ā
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u/Unusual_Sherbert_809 2d ago
Fellow Americans:
Please understand that what youāve set in motion cannot be stopped by just electing another POTUS. Youāe ****ed up so badly that every country in the entire world is now busy reconfiguring their economy to bypass the USA. The train has left the station.
Whatās more, every country that depended on the USA being a partner for security and protection is now busy forming new security alliances and arming themselves because they no longer trust the USA to have their backs.
This is GENERATIONAL damage. Think āUK no longer being an empireā type of damage. Even IF youāre able to self-correct, there is no happy ending at the end of this tunnel where things go back to being the way they were.
Signed,
An expat
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u/lonnie123 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yep, there is no uno reverse that takes us back to 2015
China will be more influential than ever, new trade deals around the world will be in effect, and at home more division than ever will make it less likely to find common ground to do anything inside the border as well
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u/twistedtxb 2d ago
What other nations learned is that you just can't trust Americans. This will take decades to fix
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u/WhatADunderfulWorld 2d ago
Senators that have made these awful decisions will be in power for decades.
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u/Ninevehenian 2d ago
Fixing it involves US voters voting GOP at least every 4th year and finding them tearing down any fix.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 2d ago
Exactly. The meme neglects mentioning the short-sighted impatient nature of the electorate (admittedly led astray by billions of dollars in right wing propaganda) that leads them to saying, "Democrats didn't fix it fast enough! I'm voting Reublican!" who then immediately just start breaking things again.
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u/Do-it-for-you 2d ago
Thereās genuinely nothing any president can possibly do to restore Americaās relationship with their allies.
Because other countries know that thereās not a single contract or promise any president can make thatāll matter in 4 years time when voters put someone else in the seat whoāll just break everything the previous president spent 4 years fixing.
No country can ever have faith in America again when any promise they make can easily be broken 4 years later.
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u/jamma_mamma 2d ago
Yep. It's especially stupid that the recent tariff shenanigans with Canada are, according to our Dear Leader, because our trade deal with Canada "is totally unfair." No one reminded him that he's the one who signed the USMCA in 2019.
Our trading partners can't even be assured that the same guy might renege the deal that he made just a few years prior.
The damage that's been done seems insurmountable. I don't know where you'd even begin.
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u/dbxp 2d ago
It may never return, by the time the US sorts itself out the world will be in a very different place. Petroleum is likely to be far less important and Africa will be far more important, both benefit China.
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u/Mythosaurus 2d ago
U.S. proved itself a bad steward of the power we gained after WWII.
If we had spent less time spreading rightwing authoritarianism as a bulkwark against communism, we could have actually built up liberal/ representative democracy strong enough to stand on its own merits.
Instead we allowed the Christian nationalists and their corporate allies to hollow out the country, often with the blessing of neoliberalism
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u/Effective_Pack8265 2d ago
Youāre essentially describing each of the last three Dem presidents - each had to start with a recovery plan.
The renaming things is new thoā¦
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u/PaulClarkLoadletter 2d ago
And idiotic voters will penalize them for not immediately fixing everything and will hand the next election back to Republicans.
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u/Cosmic_Seth 2d ago
Yup.
Even today the majority of Americans still believes that Republicans are better for the economy.
Until that changes, a Dem president has no chance. The second they're in power every major Media organization will blame them for everything Trump did.Ā
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u/FatherDotComical 2d ago
The 40 trillion debt will magically belong to them too. They'll probably even cry on the news about the massive repairs they'll have to do now and how dems only care about appearances!
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u/balding_git 2d ago
hey so, you're not wrong, that's been the pattern
BUT, mamdani is doing a pretty good job of proving the the delays and red tape are bullshit.
they wanted flock cameras, you guys got a million flocking cameras on every flocking corner, in what seems like months
datacenters pop up seemingly overnight
the point is when they WANT it to happen there's all the money and resources in the world to pull it off in a fucking weekend, so you guys really shouldn't put up with "this will take decades".
fuck that. there's a lot of people needing jobs and there's a lot of jobs that need to be done. pay them properly with all this bottomless funding that exists to fuck people over, and rebuild your country
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u/superrey19 2d ago
Well said. I've always said, if we are going to balloon the debt anyways, might as well get something for it. Instead we blow it all on tax cuts for the rich and unnecessary wars. Imagine if that money went to Medicare for all and free education instead?
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u/Snoo93550 2d ago
Iād say congress needs to pass laws to limit the kinds of things heās doing but this Supreme Court would let any republican do it anyway and most of it is already illegal.
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u/brownhotdogwater 2d ago
Many of those laws exist. Itās why they get stopped. But the courts move slow so he already has a ton blown up or changed before the court order. The big problem is there are no consequences for his actions.
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u/cobrachickenwing 2d ago
The Supreme court is using the shadow docket to stop any progressive action while allowing regressive policies to go through unchecked until it gets to the supreme court. The Supreme court is just the racist institution that allows a Republican free for all.
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u/bubosamobe 2d ago
The us already has laws. Problem is that ur country is not enforcing them. Is not about passing laws is about seeing the consequences. The world has been watching šæ how u guys simply commit fraud all over the places with zero consequences
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u/Aromatic-Time-4626 2d ago
Same as every other Republican administration for the past 50 years
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u/Harry_Mud 2d ago
No. What tRump has done is way, way, way worse....................
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u/Apothecary_85 2d ago
And same as every democratic president in recent years particularly as it relates the economy. The republicans are very adept at screwing up the economy and adding to the deficit. What is funny is they run as the fiscal conservatives!
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u/Southern_Pop_9871 2d ago
A lot of what heās done will never be repaired
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u/brogflender 2d ago
Yeah. We have only fixed fractions of what Bush Bush, Reagan, and Nixon did.Ā
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u/dalziel86 2d ago
Trump is one of the things Nixon and successors did. Without fixing the system itās just gonna keep happening.
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u/Shigglyboo 2d ago
Yeah a whole generation of scientists have learned they could face prosecution for doing their jobs.
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u/Senior-Act7294 2d ago
A lot of scientists have emigrated.
China is really welcoming to refugees fleeing America, ironically.
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u/MobileJob1521 2d ago
Well, when you face persecution at home you naturally look to other nations and the freedoms they offer that you are being deniedā¦
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u/MC_White_Thunder 2d ago
That's why they're leaving the country. I find it unlikely they'll come back.
Like how Germany's brightest fled nazi Germany before WW2.
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u/Parking_Locksmith489 2d ago
All the safeguards have failed. Congress, media, Constitution, Scotus. In just a few months.
So for former allies, this means one thing: not a trustable partner. Alliances mean nothing, trade agreements mean nothing. Trade poison.
How could any country trust you short to medium term?
We would need to see prosecutions, imprisonments, justice system reforms. There is no appeasement with autoritarian caricatural dumb dictatorship enablers.
We will work around you and trade without you.
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u/breaducate 1d ago
Crazy that anyone thinks "reconnecting with our allies" is going to happen in a term.
Even if they were too stupid to see the flailing of a dying empire why would the leaders of other nations think there's no way another demagogue is going to emerge within a decade?
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u/Mmm_lemon_cakes 2d ago
Yeah, Iām not sure the east wing is coming back. Best case scenario the build their underground shit then just put a lawn over it. But weād have to get a new east wing funded first.
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u/Kazureigh_Black 2d ago
And that guy will get blamed for all the problems Trump created when it comes time for elections again. And if anybody tells them who they should really blame, they'll screech about how everyone else was saying Trump blamed everything on Biden and they are just trying to get revenge.
Classic strategy by the worst people. Make enough of a fuss lying about your opponent doing the things you are actually doing, and when it comes time for them to call you out on it, you can just say they are just trying to get revenge on you by copying your behavior. He did it by screeching election fraud in 2020 so much that a lot of people hesitate to say he did it in 2024 because they don't want to look petty.
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u/Shoddy-Amount-4575 2d ago
First things first, lock them up
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u/ratcunt_ 2d ago
I donāt have a lot of faith for the justice system but I hope thereās someone who can make them pay. Especially after the Jan 6 insurrectionists were pardoned.
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u/InTransitHQ 2d ago
He's just going to put out thousands of pardons on his last day. Every person who can pay him a million dollars as well as himself and his entire family and everyone in his administration will be proactively pardoned for every crime they ever have or could ever have committed.
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u/chrhe83 2d ago
First person to say, āregardless of pardons, I am locking them up and letting them argue the validity of a pardon given as part of a conspiracy to commit crimes to our courtsā gets my vote. Before you jump in and say ābut.. but the supreme court?ā investigate and arrest them as well. We already know some are on the take. Enforce the rule of law. Im done with this crap. If they donāt throw the book at them then our country is done and lets be honest it probably is already to late.
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u/mistressmemory 2d ago
Exactly this. We need somebody who is just going to enforce consequences regardless of what anyone says.Ā
It has to be like that going forward, the leaders must be held accountable. Across all branches, parties, whatever. Everybody gets in trouble, and if we have to hold a bunch of elections to refill every damn seat, that's what has to be done.Ā
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u/AndreChrisSargent 2d ago
That's a really really weird thing to say on this post.
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u/EmperorGrinnar 2d ago
It's going to take decades to recover from this guy. Assuming we can.
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u/Rare-Fall4169 2d ago
I donāt think the damage to the USās reputation can ever be undone.
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u/Blizreme 2d ago
It canāt, we have proven that enough of our adult population is stupid enough to wildly swing towards fascism when their childlike schizophrenic demands are not met. We need mass reform in this country.
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u/fladermaus210 2d ago
Am I just unreasonably pessimistic/doomer in feeling like there isn't going to be a next president? They have been already getting Americans used to corruption, misinformation, and utter lack of accountability. And Trump is truly just the head of the nasty cyst. There are nefarious people pulling the strings, far smarter than he is, who have OPENLY talked about their plans of dismantling democracy. This consists of education, healthcare, safety nets. Even if Trump is gone, there's more. Peter Thiel, Sam Altman and Co. are openly saying that they are trying to bring about technofeudalism with de facto caste systems because they think the average person is not to be trusted with knowledge and a voice. They metaphorically and literally have melted the ice caps and are planning on standing on our corpses to escape the rising water. Some key phrases to look up are "Project 2025", "Memetic Desire", "Dark Enlightenment". Why has nobody been sounding the alarm on their philosophies in ways that is being taken seriously?
https://time.com/7269166/dark-enlightenment-history-essay/
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-dark-enlightenment-movement-big-tech-curtis-yarvin-9.7032441
I am trying to find ways to be okay, but it's getting increasingly difficult.
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u/APaltrySum 2d ago
I've been saying stuff along these lines and only getting downvotes. People have their head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the likelihood that the next election won't be a fair one. Republicans and their backers have worked too hard to gain power and they aren't going to give it up now. They literally have their cultists believing that Dems eat babies. Even if, on the smallest chance, the next election is fair and the Dems win it, January 6th was just a peek into what can be expected. I'm of the opinion that civil war is inevitable at this point. But I don't think the left/centre has the motivation to fight it. MAGA is here for the long haul.
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u/1Sluttymcslutface 2d ago
I cannot wait to never see that face again.
Every negative or positive mention meme cultural reference needs to just be obliterated.
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u/Mala_Practice 2d ago
Canadian here; we arenāt interested in reconnecting, regardless of who Americans elect. The trust is gone, there is no way the US could adequately prove to us this wonāt happen again.
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u/Kazureigh_Black 2d ago
I don't blame you. The US proved that on any election cycle they can wildly swing back into being run by an absolute prick hellbent on taking everything over. It's like being friends with somebody who has multiple personalities. One day they are hanging out with you and making soft tacos, the next day they are sitting on your roof pooping in your gutters and pouring napalm down your air ducts.
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u/prolifezombabe 2d ago
Also canadian. Iām impressed by this threadās confidence that there will be future elections and new Presidents. Heās made it pretty clear that he has no intention of going anywhere.Ā
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u/Aware_Rough_9170 2d ago
I mean, HE is going to be taken by nature, sooner rather than later it seems. What happens after? Dependsā¦
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u/SweetsourNostradamus 2d ago
Agreed. The US is no longer a country, it's an oligarchy corporation. Politicians aren't elected, they're purchased.
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u/Rough_Bread8329 2d ago
This. The Federal government is a convenient privacy screen the oligarchy is hiding behind to distract the populace.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s hearing about the illuminati and writing it off as crazy. The secret pedophile rings infecting all levels of power.
Turns out it was all true, just not the way people thought.
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u/fartlips69 2d ago
We have essentially proved to the world that it will continue to happen. America has always been a safe space for robber barons, Christofascists and racists. We have a lot of house cleaning to do thatās no oneās responsibility but our own. Until we stop harboring criminals and giving them power and influence literally no one should trust the US.
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u/Ghazwreckem 2d ago
British here: we wholeheartedly agree with you. There is no trust. America is a shell of what it once was a hollow brittle shell. They've allowed this guy to run rampant over everything both internally and externally, once again acting like the world's police force and yet not achieving anything......it's quite sad if it wasn't pathetic.Ā
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u/awesome404 2d ago
Another Canadian here. I'm not going to trust the United States until it has educated its population, and I expect that to take several generations.
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u/Itchy_Pressure_8311 2d ago
If they go to prison it might deter this behavior in the future
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u/DerpMaster4000 2d ago
While you're at it, fix your system so it doesn't happen again.
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u/JustChiefIt420 2d ago
Itāll take more than one president and way more than one term!
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u/No_Communication2959 2d ago
This is how Republicans win.
They create short term solutions that create long term problems.
For example: Reduced taxes that end at the end of their term and go above where they previously were for the following 4 years.
Them, when the next guy gets in, the Republicans block anything that fixes the problems they created.
Then the next election cycle, they say the other party was responsible for the problems they created and they get votes back int power.
Rinse, repeat. Works like a charm and their following is too stupid to notice.
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u/3M2B1T 2d ago
Trump will set the US back at least 50 years.
We are still paying for the error of electing Reagan, after all. And Bush Jr as well.
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u/mattius3 2d ago
I'm sorry but there are a lot of things that are completely gone, Europe won't go back to being dependent on the US for anything like the way it was before.
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u/BitterLemonTv 2d ago
Sadly they wil be voted out just like biden/harris was because they will blame all the dmg on the current administration, like trump inflation from all the ppe loan abuse, and tax cuts, and how trump got rid of a bunch of tax write off.
They blame fauci for things TRUMP did, if they truly believe fauci is this evil man, then it was trump who enacted the policies.
Never underestimate how stupid the average American is.
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u/isthereadrwho 2d ago
The good part is the supreme Court has said that presidents can't commit crime when they're in office basically. So all that stuff can be done without permission without anybody proving it, the President can get that all started and the first 30 days. Will they sue sure but who gives a s*** by the time he gets his supreme Court it'll be a second term
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u/BillLaswell404 2d ago
The next president better be a multi tasker, because itās a mess.
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u/Ill_Temporary_9509 2d ago
Not just the next President. It'll likely be two or three before the damage this orange twat has done, both internally and externally, is close to being repaired.
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u/Jaded_Translator_934 2d ago
Aye and at the end of those four years Republicans will claim the Dems didn't do anything, half the country will believe them and elect a Republican again.
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u/gluepet2074 2d ago
Whoever wins needs to state these things at their inauguration. Make a historic statement about what a tragedy and an anomaly Donald Trump has been as a president. No āgoing highā here
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u/Lanwedar 2d ago
The damage he has done will not be fixed in 4 yearsā¦ think 40. The US has shown itself as an untrustworthy and unreliable ally that flip flops with an administration change, the rest of the world moved on without it
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u/Nickh1978 2d ago
And then the voters will say that they're not fixing everything fast enough and turn around and vote in a Republican for the next term, and it starts all over again.
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u/CanExplainThings 2d ago
Can we be honest with you, America?
We legitimately don't trust/believe enough in you that it'll be done.
Biden left a bunch of Trump-era tariffs still in place while he was in office. A lot of the most powerful people in your country have shrugged their shoulders as he's broken law after law and refused to do anything in his previous term, in-between terms, and now.
There have been so many serious offences domestically and internationally that we just.
Don't.
Trust.
You.
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u/anon-a-SqueekSqueek 1d ago
I don't really like the repairing the damage mindset / rhetoric.
We are irrevocably fucked. I many ways American empire is dead. Things have haopened that can't be undone, allies that will not come back, etc.
I don't want things back where they were. I want a new f*cking country. A country where all the elite criminals in the regime and more broadly are prosecuted. Where we enforce anti trust. Where the military passes an audit and their budget is cut in half so that money can go to things like healthcare and infrastructure and education and food security etc. Where flock cameras are forcibly removed nationwide. Where we pack the courts, to escape a lifetime of corrupt justices destroying our rights.
Return to normal is a road to nowhere. We can do better than picking between the old broken system and the current completed fucked evil system. Let's build something better.
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u/incospicuous_echoes 1d ago
And theyāll complain nothing was done the first four years which is why they donāt deserve the next four to actually make a visible impact. No one ever appreciates or pays attention to the boring but necessary things that must get done let alone the absolute money pit of a tear down this one will leave when he croaks.Ā
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u/WhirlingBiggerstaff 2d ago
I think the usa is going to have to eat alot of crow before the world takes them seriously again. Trade deals with clauses that inact sanctions if the deal is violated. The need to rejoin the icc and we would need to see real accountability for anyone involved in the gutting of the usa and expose any outside influences. And im not saying its just on one side. Red, blue they are both just as corrupt. Just one side got sick of hiding it.
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u/ItchyRedBump 2d ago
One term wonāt be enough to repair damage with our allies. They gave us the benefit of the doubt after his first term, the fast that we re-elected him, and the damage heās done, means that we have many decades of repairs ahead of us.
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u/Confident-You2339 2d ago
Ha, that's cute, thinking it can all be repaired in 4 years. You are deluded if you believe that. Not much will change until we get people in positions of authority to make real change..Trump didn't happen overnight, this was decades of GOP lying propaganda in the making. It will take generations to even come close to mending.
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u/TheYellowFringe 2d ago
I actually agree with some mentioning that this would easily take a generation or longer to reverse.
MAGA has exposed the Republicans as a untrustworthy element within the greater scope of American society. That just won't disappear with a single presidential term.
Reputations nationally and internationally have been destroyed and time will be needed to be repaired.
This is the worst instance in US history.
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u/Elf_Maeve 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nah you can't undo. The whole federal govt would need a 100% revamp. Supreme court fixed to put the extremist right wing as a minority (they gave the president immunity to commit crimes... like what?).
House rep cap increased by A LOT because states with 10 people having 2 senators is insane and red states literally control the senate while being a small minority and and actively help senate pass laws that literally screws all of us.
Federal govt has to be purged of extremists who wants to destroy that federal govt (the ones who came in with project 2025). White supremacists and christian fascists who also want to overthrow the US govt need to be purged from all federal positions.
Union laws have to be passed to give unions back their power. Unions have to be by sector not by location.
Tax loopholes where top .5% pays 0 taxes by exploiting loopholes needs to be closed. With estate taxes wealthy literally never pay taxes unless they want to.
Top 1% of INCOME earners are carrying the top 1% of wealthy Americans who don't earn through income and pay 0 taxes unless they want to.
Voting rights need to be fully restored, gerrymandering killed, red states punished if they make it harder for blue areas to vote on purpose. National voting holiday, free ID for all US citizen voters. Auto voter registration for all US citizens.
Payroll taxes are regressive and someone making 60k a year immediately loser 9k to payroll taxes with the 7.5% they pay vs the 7.5% lost wages because their employer has to pay 7.5%. The bottom 47% pays no taxes is a myth. Bottom 47% pays the most regressive taxes of all.
Falsely spreading medical misinformation needs to be punished and not hide behind first amendment.
Spreading propaganda should also be punished but I have no idea how that could be enforced, so I don't have an answer to that.
There is a lot more to be done to punish criminals in the white house and federal positions also....
Literally none of the above will happen and we will just get worse people in every time from now on.
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u/PossiblePlastic8698 2d ago edited 2d ago
Decades, not years
Trump is a symptom, heās not the disease
Healthy political systems donāt let someone like Trump anywhere near power
Getting rid of Trump doesnāt change the fact that the US in its current form is a danger to the rest of the world
Reform the executive, judiciary and legislatures, get rid of the pandering to the right wing politicians of Israel, wipe the CIA from the face of the earth, pay the billions you owe in UN dues, and then we can talk about how the USA can start working towards regaining respect in the global community
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u/Silver-Link8247 2d ago
He is responsible for 25% of the debt after 5 years. Will be around 30% in 8.
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u/Used_Adhesiveness299 2d ago
Living an a country that was previously an ally to America, you are not going to repair the relationships in the next decade, if lifetime
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u/anothertrad 2d ago
As a Canadian weād have to be pretty dumb to reconnect to an unstable nation that wonāt hold to their word. āDonāt worry this time we wonāt backstab youā yeah sure
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u/Multiple__Butts 2d ago
Repairing the damage is like a 100-year project, not something a single administration would be able to accomplish in full. I certainly hope they try to work on it, though.
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u/hajenius 2d ago
Nah, we Europeans are sick and tired that some person in Pennsylvania determines our future. US will never be as influential again ever.
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u/mysteryflava212 1d ago
Dems always clean up the mess of the republicans. Thats if there is anything left to protect
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u/DominionReport 1d ago
I don't think we can consider Trump as a temporary problem than requires a post-Trump repair period. Trump isn't the problem, he is a symptom of the problem.
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u/_WEND1G0_ 1d ago
Jesusā¦ yeah one POTUS wonāt be able to do jack. This hit is going to cause at least decades of harm to our reputation and is a blight weāll never truly wash out
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u/BrightMango5356 1d ago edited 1d ago
Wait until u realize that the agenda for America is to squeeze every penny out and make her children slaves. Donny is helping make that happen. This is the beginning of the end of the great American empire. It will not get better broš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£. This is coming from an American as wel. I really think this is the best country to ever exist in history But man are we a cancer to the world. SMH. All the separation we instigate. All the brothers turned foes around the world. The bombings, the disease we spread in foreign countries. The funding and support of absolute mad men globally, the looting, the ethnic cleanings, the fires. Starvation. Killing and humiliation of melanated people. Currency devaluation. Killing of heroās that love God and are righteous. All on purpose because we the people are being ruled over by ancient evil bloodlines that praise Satan. Babylon must fall. There is no world peace with America as a super power. Power is transitioning back to ancient Africa verrrry slowly. After America is finished itāll be some other place in the world propped up as the new greatest empire but it wonāt last long. Despite their unlimited quadrillions billions and trillions in wealth God has his way and no one can beat him in chess. Donnie is president was for a reason. Everything from his decay in his face to his arrogance to his racism and is a representation of the collective consciousness of Americans. They say every nation gets a leader that they deserveā¦
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u/Pretty-Display5959 2d ago
um, hate to break it to you but this is a generational repair job. four years won't make a dent.