r/ProgrammerHumor 1d ago

Meme goodOldDays

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u/GMsui 1d ago

I've done something similar once when I accidentally nuked an important file. Involved a byte-level scan of the entire disk for a known string within the file. Didn't get me the file back, but it got me the bits of it I cared about.

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u/sapoconcho_ 1d ago edited 18h ago

Exactly the same thing happened to me a few years ago. Accidentally rm a college assignment (a fluid simulator from scratch in cpp). Fortunately I was able to recover the file by grepping a dd of the entire hard drive.

Edit: wrong command du -> dd

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u/magicmulder 1d ago

You mean a dd? A du tells you how much space is being used.

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u/sapoconcho_ 18h ago

Yup, I've just realized. Thanks for the correction!

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u/Interesting_Buy_3969 1d ago

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u/Xav-_ 1d ago

Wait, you can exit vim?!

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u/themeatbridge 1d ago

No.  Everything is vim.  Once you enter, there is no exit.  It's sort of like Inception and the Matrix had a baby and that baby grew up to be a text editor.  

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u/aalapshah12297 28m ago

It's like the fear hole from Rick and Morty.

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u/Derkeethus42 1d ago

Ya, ctrl + alt + delete and end task. Works for me that is.

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u/WeirdTie2290 1d ago

How is that question not closed? It is a non coding problem. SO double standards.

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u/alexanderpas 1d ago

vim is considered a programming tool.

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u/WeirdTie2290 1d ago

Sure. And "recovering a file in linux which I accidentally did an rm on" is a problem a programmer might run into. But still it gets closed.

That vim question clearly needs to be closed on SO and reopened at Vi and Vim Stack Exchange

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u/Psychological_Map118 1d ago

I guess different phrasing would also make the rm question fly under the radar. StackOverflow was honestly 99% phrasing and a complete bragfest. For example, ask about the tool, not the problem:

How does one relink inodes unlinked via the rm command where link counts are 0?

This way you'd probably get dozens of answers explaining in-depth file recovery of raw data from the filesystem

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u/rosuav 1d ago

TBH even with the question as written, I would be saying "testdisk". Seriously, that tool is nothing short of god-tier magic on the day when you desperately need it.

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u/alfredo__pacino 1d ago

Don't you get a long list of files with random alphanimeric names that kind of makes a pain to find that 1 file you have just deleted? It was a long time ago since I've used it, and even then I was never quite sure I used it properly

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u/rosuav 1d ago

It depends a lot on how much has happened in that directory. The file name is often still there. The trouble is, if you've had a *lot* of files with the same name, they're probably ALL still there.

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u/alfredo__pacino 1d ago

Uhm, afair filenames and original paths weren't preserved.

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u/rosuav 1d ago

Maybe it depends on the file system. They certainly were when I used it.

Or maybe you're thinking of the lost+found directory, rather than the testdisk program? That's a very different feature and unlikely to help with an accidental rm, but can rescue something that got lost due to power failure.

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u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow 1d ago

The irony is that if you know enough to ask that question, you don't need to ask that question.

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u/flashman1986 1d ago

Many such cases

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u/Fisher9001 1d ago

This discussion is at the very core of what killed SO.

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u/KTAXY 1d ago

A true programmer will never admit to deleting a file mistakenly.

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u/Half-Borg 1d ago

my manager/product owner/scrum master deleted a file i now need to recover

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u/Able-Swing-6415 1d ago

Why bother? The last 50 devs actually on SO should just make the rules now. Doesn't really matter to the rest of us.. at least I haven't visited this site in years. And I really don't miss it.

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u/IanDresarie 1d ago

I've never asked or interacted with a question, but it's still a site I visit regularly for both basic and niche stuff I encounter

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u/Bartweiss 9h ago

The fall-off in traffic is pretty clearly AI-induced, but the fall-of in questions feels like it's partly because the site is just kind of... complete.

Excluding answers that have gone out of date or new frameworks, libraries, etc, >99% of what people want to know is already there. And if I need to know "how does X work?" rather than "write X for me", it's consistently faster and easier than turning to an AI which may not actually give me the library/package-specific info I'm after.

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u/MeLittleThing 1d ago

That's still unrelated with programming. "How to change a tire" would then fit SO because it's a problem a programmer might run into

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u/w8eight 1d ago

You can write poems in vim if you want, it's not strictly programming tool

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u/QuaternionsRoll 1d ago

And bash isn’t??

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u/wjandrea 1d ago edited 1d ago

eh? Bash scripting is on-topic; interactive usage is not. (edit:) But what does that have to do with this thread?

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u/QuaternionsRoll 1d ago

Interactive usage of vim is on-topic?

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u/wjandrea 1d ago

IDK, I don't use Vim myself.

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u/moon__lander 1d ago

What if OOP rm'd vim?

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u/CarolXZosiaNsfwScene 1d ago

[Comment deleted because duplicate]

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u/RadicalDwntwnUrbnite 1d ago

Basically it was grandfathered in. There have been 9 attempts to close it and all voted down.

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u/DensePapaya4 1d ago

17 years later, and “rm - rf” still gives me cold sweats

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u/Gualdrapo 1d ago

Because you put a space between - and rf. do rm -rf and your computer won't complain

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u/RadicalDwntwnUrbnite 1d ago edited 1d ago

FF: rm -rf / requires you supply --no-preserve-root to run if you don't nothing will happen but rm -rf /* doesn't and that will still proper fuck your system if you are running as root.

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u/FarCrazy60 1d ago

I usually hold CTRL and hammer the C, X and V keys repeatedly, It usually works..

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u/ONI-ENJOYER-420 1d ago

I mean, I would bet my ass every programmer who used vim saw this post at some point.

I acknowledge being one of the dumber devs, I refuse to believe am that much dumber lol

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u/michaelpaoli 1d ago

f*ck vim!

:q!
E37: No write since last change (add ! to override)
E162: No write since last change for buffer "[No Name]"
Press ENTER or type command to continue
:q!!
E488: Trailing characters
:

:q!
E37: No write since last change (add ! to override)
E162: No write since last change for buffer "foo"
Press ENTER or type command to continue
:q!!
E488: Trailing characters
:

vi never gives me such sh*t, but vim ... f*ck vim!

https://www.mpaoli.net/~michael/linux/vim/vim_annoyances.txt

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u/Criarino 1d ago

I also like that one about using regex to parse html

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u/nagol93 1d ago

Ah, reminds me when I went to school with a bunch of Linux elitists who would unironically say "Vim isnt that hard to use" then reference shit like that.

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u/Sw429 11h ago

Quick, close it as off-topic! It's polluting our precious programming site.

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u/J1mj0hns0n 1d ago

Jesus, even I knew what to do with that and I can't code in any capacity

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u/Rainmaker526 1d ago

I miss being yelled at by other humans on SO.

These days it's all "that's a great thought" and "you're absolutely right".

Feels good on my ego, but feels so hollow.

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u/TrackLabs 1d ago

Being told by many online that your idea sucks ass, helped you reconsider a lot and actually think about it. AI just constantly telling you you are perfect, makes you braindead

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u/Darkstar_111 1d ago

Those people were equally wrong.

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u/Groentekroket 1d ago

LLM 🤝 SO users 🤝 Redditors:

Confidently wrong

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u/MrBoblo 1d ago

Long ago, the three nations lived in harmony

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u/rosuav 1d ago

Everything changed when Claude attacked.

Minus a billion lines removed, plus a billion lines added...

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u/CeldonShooper 1d ago

Just let AI evaluate that pull request and greenlight it.

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u/dog_towel 1d ago

So we need to train the AI to tell us that our ideas are stupid and we're morons.

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u/Chamiey 1d ago edited 9h ago

It definitely can do that, just ask it to be critical. Problem is, then it doesn't even try to see if there's anything good in there.

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u/AnOnlineHandle 1d ago

I'm sure a pre-prompt would do it.

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u/thorwing 1d ago

this is why life needs competition. A world where no one gets challenged and has hardships is not a utopia for me.

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u/dealmaster1221 1d ago

You could ask it to respond like Stack Overflow comments, criticizing every time. Would that help? I didn't realize some people thrive on negative motivation,I know one actually, and he runs NVIDIA.

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u/Hanexusis 1d ago

this just sounds like stockholm syndrome, there are prob nicer ways to be told your idea sucks ass

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u/TrackLabs 1d ago

Yeah but it was still a pretty efficient way. Ever since LLMs came to be, I really feel like I lost a good chunk of programming skills and brain power

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u/GlassCommission4916 1d ago

Personally I feel good about improving myself, not about sugar coated words.

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u/xui_nya 1d ago

I feel good about productive approach

your idea will lead to X problem, there's an Y way to do it better

instead of

your idea sucks, you are an idiot, never attempt anything again, kill yourself

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u/GlassCommission4916 1d ago

Are we talking about stack overflow or 4chan?

I don't mind being told my idea sucks if it sucks.

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u/Choice-Mango-4019 1d ago

same thing

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u/GlassCommission4916 1d ago

I've never seen anyone tell someone to kill themselves for having a stupid idea on stack overflow, do you have an example?

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u/Choice-Mango-4019 1d ago

you don't need to use bad words to be an asshole

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u/PassFlat2947 1d ago

I remember some posting a JS issue on a local SO alike website. I told OP I ran into the same issue, told him it appeared to be a IE issue, and gave him my workaround. I then got absolutely shit on by the community on how it wasn't a bug, and how the workaround can never work.

An hour later OP confirmed it was only on IE, and thanked me for the workaround.

Never posted again on that website, I prefer the 'thats a great thought', but will try to challenge the AI's reasoning, and let the AI challenge mine.

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u/unknown_pigeon 1d ago

Sorry, couldn't hear you over "Duplicated question. Closed (link to a similar question on an outdated version of the thing you're using)" "Off-topic. Closed" "Balls too tiny. Closed"

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u/Bartweiss 9h ago

I have 'fond' memories of posting "I'm having problem X. Function Y recommended in [linked post] does not work in case Z due to what appears to be a bug in the library." and getting two great replies:

  1. A link to the API saying "try function Y" with no further comments
  2. "Closed as a duplicate of [linked post]."

It's ok though, you can appeal the closure! Which was of course denied.

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u/VolcanicA333 1d ago

But you know, when all you really need is a simple answer for a silly question without being publicly whipped for your apparent stupidity, LLMs really deliver

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u/DishSoapedDishwasher 1d ago

As do I and LLM compliments are arguably worse than hollow, It feels like a desperate attempt to placate humans knowing full well its about to say the dumbest shit you've ever heard.

I just want a robot with zero personality. One that isn't going to blow smoke up my ass while simultaneously trying to repeatedly debate how i missed a "load bearing nit" when i literally just told it that point isn't relevant and why for the third fucking time and the only recourse is verbal abuse until it says "got it - dropping it".

Pi has been a good harness, customizing like you would NeoVim (pedantically and insanely) makes for a great way to remove all those LLM-isms that have been causing brain damage to read.

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u/captain_slackbeard 1d ago

If you're feeling nostalgic for SO responses, here you go:

"just tell us what you're actually trying to accomplish".

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u/PM-ME-UR-DARKNESS 1d ago

If it makes you feel any better, in the early days of AI the AI would just tell you to off yourself.

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u/ianpaschal 1d ago

Over the last few months I feel like I finally went over the hump? Through the dip? Of hammering sycophancy out of agents but now they’re over confident cocky little shits who keep fucking up and never taking responsibility. Now I wouldn’t mind about 10% more groveling just to smooth out the other stuff…

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u/Inlacou 1d ago

AI compliments make me feel like a baby, I don't like it. It also makes me distrust the LLM.

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u/Ieatsand97 1d ago

Thats probably why vibe coding is so big. Nobody wants to just copy code off SO and get bullied but will happily do basically the same with a glazing ai chatbot

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u/russianrug 1d ago

“Great instinct! You’re right to push on that.”

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u/oregiel 1d ago

God I hate the "you're absolutely right" because it almost always means "I'm not giving you the truth, I'm just your personal echo chamber feeding you whatever bullshit I think you want to hear" and its never what I want to hear.

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u/witness_smile 1d ago

I miss when you would start a question with “Hi” or “Hello” you would get cursed all the way to hell and your entire family and lineage would be doomed for eternity by a neckbeard on SO because reading a polite opening wasted too much of their precious time

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u/Kahiego 1d ago

My coworker who never coded before, make a whole project from A to Z in a des months, with low-to-no vibe code He told me he found this little forum with a good community that helped him understand and gave him new ideas and solutions, stackoverflow

This world is unfair

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u/NotAUsefullDoctor 1d ago

I will say, SO taught me how to thoroughly investigate a topic before hand. A few years in and I was posting dissertation papers on all of my findings when asking questions.

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u/gua_lao_wai 1d ago

yeah, this is AI-brainrot in a nutshell really. the number of times I've been halfway through writing up a support ticket for software we use at work, and now because I'm presenting an issue to another human I feel compelled to show I've done my homework and in doing so work out what the issue was.

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u/Master_Entertainer 1d ago

I would love having you as a colleague. Debugging our "doesnt work" tickets is always fun..

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u/medisherphol 1d ago

The senior dev hellhole:

It doesn't work

What have you tried?

Running it

What's not working?

There's an error

What does it say?

Null reference exception.

Ok. What's null?

newObjectIAddedForThisFeature is null

Ok. Where are you initializing it?

I'm not.

Ok. That's your issue then.

How do I fix the error?

Try initializing it.

Happy Monday!

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u/RadicalDwntwnUrbnite 1d ago

Thankfully we have a triage process and we don't accept those tickets, we just tag it with "Needs more information" and ping the submitter with a link to what is necessary for a ticket to be triaged into our backlog.

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u/AnOnlineHandle 1d ago

I think it means you're working on non-challenging problems if AI can solve them for you, unless you're working with Fable or something which I haven't tried.

Current models are decent for following instructions that you lay out, maybe even fixing a bug or something along the way, or adding new features to an existing well-documented repo if you explain things well, but don't seem capable of solving challenging problems on their own in a reasonable context scope (again things like Fable might be able to, but the general tier models don't seem that capable).

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u/scheimong 1d ago

Then 3 idiots with 1/10 of your understanding voted to close. 😁

No, I do not miss SO at all.

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u/who_am_i_to_say_so 1d ago

Yeah same. And STILL 90 percent removed and downvoted within a half hour of asking. 

But the few q’s that did cruise through, oh man! I definitely would get more than asked for.

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u/No-Information-2571 1d ago

Which is absolutely not a waste of time. Especially when the question then gets a single answer with the content "have you tried X?"

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u/Half-Borg 1d ago

This subreddit is for programming humor, this post is about web humor. Please delete and post on a appropriate subreddit.

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u/Pokimaru-yama 1d ago

This post is a possible duplicate of: <another post that has nothing to do with it>

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u/djingo_dango 1d ago

What’s the issue here?

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u/LexaAstarof 1d ago

Missing a link to a "duplicate" question that post date this one.

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u/djingo_dango 1d ago

It was closed for being off topic. Where’s the duplicate?

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u/DryanaGhuba 1d ago

This is a joke. SO could be called one of the most toxic websites and only purpose for it now is archive for answers

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u/unknown_pigeon 1d ago

I think the person you're replying to was just poking fun at SO mods closing for duplicate anything that had any resemblance to have discussed about a similar matter, even if the "original" thread was actually newer or was about a since deprecated version

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u/psioniclizard 1d ago

A lot of people never learned how the search functionality worked on SO, or what it was actually for. Thought it existed soles to solve their specific needs (or to answer the homework questions).

Then as soon as AI came along and told them they were super special they became obnoxious to SO because someone was mean to them online.

A lot of people obviously forget what the internet was like before SO where if you wanted answers you either had to pay or dig through a bunch of unrelated crap in forums that were constantly derailed by people doing exactly what is mentioned in the first sentence (see also Discord dev groups). SO is strict but there is a reason for it, as soon as somewhere isn't it becomes useless to people who want real info.

Or put simply, a lot of people are as good at coding as they think, lack searching skills and when faced with the choice of Claude that tells them they are amazing or SO that reminds of the previously mentioned things, they choose Claude.

I know this will be downvoted to hell, but it's kinda just proving my point seeing as SO is one of the primary things I used to teach myself to code and I have never had to ask a question on their because every....single....one has already been asked. I am not saying that means there aren't new questions to be basic. I am saying a lot of people lack the ability to search for information, or are too lazy too and just won't admit it.

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u/iwishiwasamoose 19h ago

How does your dissertation here answer the question you replied to? No one in the screenshot mentioned the original poster forgetting to use the search, they instead tell him that his question isn't a programming question.

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u/Mewtwo2387 1d ago

someone gave you an answer? I just get downvoted in silence

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u/corobo 1d ago

I dunno what they said but it being removed is classic SO banter

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u/Percolator2020 1d ago

Now Claude will happily wipe your drive for you.
✅ successfully cleaned the project folder as requested

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u/lottcaskey 1d ago

Take the disk offline. Mount it readonly. Find the individual inodes. Hope and pray that they are contiguous. Copy them out. Splice back together. Trim as needed.

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u/Kylearean 1d ago

My favorite response to my question about simply copying a file from iOS to PC was "you don't want to do that." and "why would you want to do that?".

I don't miss StackExchange or StackOverflow, and will never use them again. Everyone there was a stuck up cunt. Most of them seem to have moved to Github and are now doing the same bullshit on issues.

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u/stprnn 1d ago

Yeah I loved waiting hours just to get irrelevant answer and my question deleted by mods.

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u/DrTankHead 1d ago

And people wonder why AI surged in popularity.it isn't even that people can't game out a problem on their own. Sometimes people need to ask dumb questions. Sometimes what's obvious to you isn't obvious to others.

shit, I've posted legitimate questions on there that are not easy questions that someone can just game out, and never got a response. It's literally like 75% people just pretending to be helpful by being the least helpful they can be.

I'll say it once, and I'll say it again, some people just aren't fit to actually be helping others. They don't have the patience, the drive, or anything, to actually be legitimately helpful. I've been in customer service my whole professional career, and it always just erks me.

SO is a cesspool of it. It might eventually lead you to the snippet you needed, but only after hours of searching to realize you misconfigured a setting.

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u/unknown_pigeon 1d ago

I think the Venn diagram of assholes, experts on a certain topic, and people willing to spend time "helping" people on a public forum is dangerously round

Like, take reddit / discord moderation for instance. You're doing a job for free, taking shit here and there. So you're rather very invested on the topic and somehow resistant to shit being thrown at you, or you're even a bigger asshole

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u/[deleted] 1d ago edited 15h ago

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u/DrTankHead 1d ago

Nobody was forcing you to "help" though, just let other people who wanna help, help. If you don't actually wanna help people, let others help em. The platform didn't suck, the people on it sucked.

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u/Educational_Motor733 16h ago

You act like the miserable experience of answering questions on Stack Overflow was something you had to do. You subjected yourself to that. No one made you do anything. You have no one to blame but yourself for that "miserable experience."

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u/yentity 1d ago

The problem was never the people, the problem will continue to exist in any community based support forums. The people that are willing to help are genuinely out numbered by orders of magnitude by those that need help, and many times they don't even do the basic research into the problem. Most of the people who were answering questions got jaded and left. There were two types of people that remained long term, those who genuinely cared (extremely rare) or absolute assholes who liked the mini power trips.

I was one of those who left after being in the top 10 contributors in, at the time, niche field a decade ago.

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 1d ago

And people wonder why AI surged in popularity

Because of instant gratification.

It has absolutely nothing to do with whether people have PTSD from asking a question on StackOverflow. SO could be a utopia of getting responses from real people and solving your problems.

But with AI you get responses back in seconds. Not minutes or hours or days.

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u/sapoconcho_ 1d ago

IMO the thing is that people being so annoying and pretentious on SO made me switch to AI a few years ago when about 1/3 of the answers were actually useful, just because asking something in SO was useful only about 1/7 of the times and you need to deal with the toxic community 

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u/Stevoisiak 1d ago

It's a factor for some people. I've been a Stack Overflow user for 12 years, I'll admit to asking AI questions when I anticipate a negative response on Stack Overflow.

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 1d ago

That's fine, but my point is that if you have two products, A and B, where A delivers the value to you in seconds and the other in minutes/hours, it doesn't matter how good B is. You're going to use A.

Nobody would go "yeah AI does it in seconds but I'm still going to wait before potentially getting an answer on SO / online", even if one's SO experience is 100% good.

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u/DrTankHead 1d ago

It isn't about instant gratification. Had a long ass wall of text for you, but I'll simple it down... It's about a completely different experience and actually being able to get what you want done, done. That's not a guarentee with SO.

SO is a roll of the dice. AI is at least letting you look at the project from different angles, it is either going to solve the problem or help you get close enough to solve it on your own.

I'll be honest, I'll take AI any day over SO, and it isn't even close.

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u/Stevoisiak 1d ago

I wouldn't go that far myself. I find SO to be more a more reliable source of information. AI can send me down rabbit holes of complexity and roundabout solutions.

Yes, the instant feedback and direct responses of AI can be nice, but there's a reason I haven't abandoned Stack Overflow.

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 1d ago

Folks overblow the "closed as duplicate" thing anyway. I was there, Gandalf. Back in the beta period of StackOverflow. It was and is a great resource, that saved us from the DenverCoder9 situations we so often found ourselves in.

Not to mention, where do people think AI obtains its fountain of knowledge? It doesn't fabricate it out of nowhere (and when it does hallucinate, it's giving you bad info). And I say this as someone who prods various chatbots for coding stuff almost daily.

A StackOverflow question getting moderated is not always an instance of some super user powertripping. Not a popular thing to say in /r/ProgrammerHumor!

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 1d ago

AI does have the hallucination problem, but folks are missing the point lol.

Even if both SO and AI were both perfect, AI would win every time. Because AI gets you instant gratification.

SO's status is irrelevant, and AI would not have "lost popularity" if SO were a perfect bastion of answers.

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u/Stevoisiak 1d ago

Your original statement was "It has absolutely nothing to do with whether people have PTSD from asking a question on StackOverflow."

I'm not saying that instant gratification is not a factor in why people use AI. I am saying that, at least personally, negative experiences on Stack Overflow are a factor in why I sometimes avoid asking questions on SO.

In contrast, I haven't encountered that issue nearly as much on sister sites like Super User, so I've been more willing to ask questions there.

Also, I do still use Stack Overflow actively despite the existence of AI.

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 1d ago

What in the absolute fuck are you on about? 

OP asked a data recovery question on a programming forum and was given a list of sites to find the one where people could help them. 

This was such a benign thing and you are losing your shit over it. Are you just against the idea of organization and categories as a concept?

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u/DrTankHead 1d ago

So, move the question to the right place, let the user know this new area is where they should've posted, and if you can, help. Dont be like the bottom guy. Bottom guy could've easily said absolutely nothing, would've cost nothing.

I'm all for organization and so on. But SO fell from it's mission of being the one place everyone can go and ask tech questions of all shapes and sizes to [Closed] [Marked as duplicate] and spending more time being unhelpful than actually being helpful.

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 1d ago

If you park your car in the wrong place the owners don't come out and drive it next door.

This is from 17 years ago. I don't know that the correct stack exchange site even existed then. This was probably a link to off site resources that could help OP.

But SO fell from it's mission of being the one place everyone can go and ask tech questions of all shapes and sizes 

That was never its mission. 

Its mission was to be a dictionary of questions and answers on a discrete topic. You can't just call Websters and say "my friends say fjhtiagtjrkk is a word, you need to add it." 

You also can't ask them to toss another new definition for "apple" in at the end of the book,  entirely separate from the main definition.

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u/DrTankHead 1d ago

If you park your car in the wrong place the owners don't come out and drive it next door.

Not the same thing. It is trivially easy to move posts in a wrong subforum to the right one.

If there isnt a place to move it to, than have a category of misc questions, and encourage others to help them appropriately. If you actually want to help people, then you should actually help people. If you don't actually want to help people, then don't pretend to help people.

But SO fell from it's mission of being the one place everyone can go and ask tech questions of all shapes and sizes

That was never its mission.  Its mission was to be a dictionary of questions and answers on a discrete topic. You can't just call Websters and say "my friends say fjhtiagtjrkk is a word, you need to add it." 

What?? Homie, it's a support forum. The goal is to help answer questions. That's why they split things into a million categories in the first place.

Even if the right place didn't exist back then, it doesn't mean that nobody can answer the question... People wasted more time "moderating" the site than they do actually answering questions in a helpful manner. That's a problem.

Why is it so hard for people to admit SO was toxic af and ultimately failed to help people more often than not.

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u/ZookeepergameFar265 1d ago

Should have asked, “How to programmatically recover a file … “

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u/Objectionne 1d ago

https://claude.ai/share/f9a61593-5b44-402d-8e7d-d479eb1bdec3

Look at that. Just giving me helpful information like a little bitch instead of insulting me.

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u/lllama 1d ago

Unlike Windows or macOS, Linux has no built-in Trash for terminal rm.

Yeah I'm always recovering files from the trash when I rm them on macOS.

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u/rosuav 1d ago

Yeah, meanwhile Linux has the `trash` command if you want to put something in the trash, but I'm not sure there even is a way to do that on Windows. So if you *want* your files to go into the trash instead of hard removing them, you can just alias rm to trash.

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u/mcslender97 1d ago

For ppl complain about AI gassing them up, just customize them to be cold and professional gets you this type of straight to the point response all the time.

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u/ananski_the_3rd 1d ago

~/.local/share/Trash/ — only populated if you used a file manager, not rm.

Why do LLMs do this? My bet is they train it to spew unrelated crap to charge for more tokens, but then again I thought AI companies were running at a loss?

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u/AnOnlineHandle 1d ago

I think you underestimate how hard it is to finetune a model to always behave the way you want in every variable context. You have to accept they'll never be perfect if you want to work with them. They're finetuned procedural generation algorithms.

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u/scissorsgrinder 1d ago

AI models don't do procedural generation, not by the usual computer science definition. Procedural generation works with deterministic algorithms.

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u/AnOnlineHandle 17h ago

AI models are 100% deterministic. I've built them from scratch and first started working in ML 20 years ago now, on and off. They are entirely procedural generation algorithms, just finetuned on existing examples.

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u/scissorsgrinder 10h ago

Not by the usual definition of procedural generation.

And it's ridiculous to call them deterministic by computer science standards too. If you don't know what those are, you might think you're stating something profound by saying they're deterministic. OBVIOUSLY all algorithms are TECHNICALLY deterministic unless you're Cloudflare and have cameras pointed at 100 lava lamps.

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u/awesome-alpaca-ace 1d ago

That is the AI throwing shade

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u/extopico 1d ago

I still have PTSD years after I stopped hoping to get any use from that hellhole. What an absolute glacial concentration of assholes.

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u/LOSIHOIDAANACCOUNT 1d ago

goodOldDays - meaning stack overflow is predestined to die now?

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u/notRANT 1d ago

Too bad we won't have classics like this anymore

https://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454

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u/abdul_haseeb_11 1d ago

The real Linux backup strategy, make one mistake with rm and develop trust issues for the rest of your career😅😆

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u/1nc06n170 1d ago

Eh, unless I am desperate to find anything I rarely read comments on SO. Usually it's just people trying to be funny there.

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u/MarianCR 1d ago

karma, bitch!

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u/Cybasura 1d ago

Hey, still more human than getting told hallucinations from a glorified statistical machine that you dont even know if you can trust, and then just apologizing like it didnt just burn you out

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u/LittleMlem 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why are you asking OS related questions on SO? Either go to the linux stack exchange, or somewhere else. SO is about programming issues, not everything related to computers

Edit: the upvote ratio on this comment is like 60%, why are people mad? Stack overflow is not a tech support site, it's a programming consultation place. They have a dedicated place for linix related questions, the unix stackexchange. They have a million of these stackexchanges, just use the right one. Would we not delete posts in this sub if they were about unrelated stuff‽

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u/Strict_Treat2884 1d ago

That’s the spirit!

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u/NotQuiteLoona 1d ago

I mean, we all like shitting on SO, but it's, like, true. Forums have topics that should be kept. Except the second guy being a dickhead, the first guy just politely redirected them to the proper forum for such a question.

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u/Swaggo420Ballz 1d ago

The only thing AI is good for is scraping everyone's SO posts so that we can just bypass the bureaucratic bullshit that pops up for every single question even if its relevant.

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u/ZunoJ 1d ago

Yeah absolutely redicolous to enforce a certain quality!

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u/chilfang 1d ago

It suddenly occurs to me that people actually read the comments on SO instead of just the answers

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 1d ago

The comments are enforced as on topic too y'know. It isn't a forum like reddit.

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u/BigNaturalTilts 1d ago

“Recover DEEZ NUHTS!! Haaa! Goteeem’!”

Top comment with more upvotes than the thread. No answers.

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u/PomegranateSignal882 1d ago

The comments are usually more helpful than the answers

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u/teethingrooster 1d ago

Feels like you have to lot of the times. The comments are usually like:

“This Anwser was great in 2010. That feature you’re looking for is long deprecated and the only supported way to do this is with these six reg key changes and 2 .ini file edits I discovered despite no documentation because I was also looking for this”

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u/ultraSsak 1d ago

"how od i programmatically undelete a file" then xD

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u/Ceneka 1d ago

I remember entering that post.. happened to me in ~2010

Where's the 🗑️??

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u/SwillMith16 4h ago

We had several weeks of prototype work that we hadn’t yet backed up and I sudo rm’d the entire /usr folder. That went down well

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u/brokenheartbecauseof 1d ago

People wonder why people use ai instead of stack exchange for programming questions 

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 1d ago

I really don't understand  OP posted a question about a data recovery/Linux issue and was given a link with a list of locations where that question was welcome. 

How does asking you to post to the correct board equate to "people wonder why people use ai?"

OP probably clicked that link, asked their question on the correct board, and got a helpful answer.

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u/brokenheartbecauseof 1d ago

It was the needless aggression and cruelty that is not necessary and painful that the site always has

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 1d ago

Needless aggression and cruelty??? Do you hear yourself? I get FAR worse on reddit every single day than I ever did on stack overflow.

Stackoverflow has strict moderation practices too. Report a comment for being hostile and it is GONE.

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u/irishfury0 1d ago

Stack Overflow is not a message board in the traditional sense where there are different boards for different topics. It is essentially one board for everything. The humor of this post is pointing out a long running trope about stack overflow being filled with snobby arrogant people who love to shame posters about the absurdity of a legitimate question rather than actually answer it.

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u/marcelsmudda 1d ago

Well, there was a linux that would have been a better fit: https://unix.stackexchange.com/

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 1d ago

Stack Overflow is not a message board in the traditional sense where there are different boards for different topics

Really? https://stackexchange.com/sites

The humor of this post is pointing out a long running trope about stack overflow being filled with snobby arrogant people who love to shame posters about the absurdity of a legitimate question rather than actually answer it. 

Are you new to the internet? Every site with humans has this.

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u/Rustrans 1d ago

I just love to watch SO to burn down! This site deserves all the hate it got and still gets

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u/Intrepid_Fig_3071 1d ago

I miss getting completely obliterated for my incompetence based on my questions. Ramped my imposter syndrome up to a 1000 lol

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u/DonCashless 1d ago

Im so happy AI exists now.. I spent so much time to create a good post, just to get flamed before my question was closed

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u/sammybeta 1d ago

I don't miss this at all. The obnoxious geek social media can be my Cyber Chernobyl & forever frozen in time.

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u/Salt_Ice_5321 1d ago

There is no place more toxic than Stack Overflow and the Kali Linux forums.

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u/grain_farmer 1d ago

I’m so happy SO is dead. F everything about that site.

The absolutely insane concept of normalising ridicule for seeking knowledge and not finding a solution.

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u/mnaa1 1d ago

Good riddance

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u/PrestigiousGuava8005 1d ago

This question got closed faster than his rm command finished executing

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u/SkinnyPepperoni 1d ago

Noooo the new kids these will never understand this. It's gonna become boomer to them.

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u/ziatzev 1d ago

I always liked the old "rm has an restore file function"

' sudo rm -rf / file-you-want-to-restore.txt'

The -rf stands for restore file!

Hahaha