r/RetroPie • u/Enough_Substance9750 • 5d ago

Pi400 Update question !

Question guys ! Dug out my Pi400 thought i'd be smart and update all Emulators, sitting happily still updating which is good, 24 hours now ! about to Ctrl/C it etc, should I let it keep going ? Pi64OS is installed, a current version

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u/Varkanoid 5d ago

It would have been quicker and better to do a new manual install. Not sure what Pi64OS is but install Bookworm Lite 64bit and follow the Manual install setup.

Note if its updating emulators from source this can take a while.

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u/Grand_Snow_2637 5d ago

Question: why Bookworm and not Trixie?

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u/picklemaster52 5d ago

Not who you asked, but if I had to venture a guess:

Probably because the team still has binaries built for bookworm, but trixie stuff probably has to be compiled from source.

Just speculation on my part, really.

I just do a manual install/new compile on trixie when I can, personally.

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u/Varkanoid 5d ago edited 5d ago

True to some extent a lot needs compiling from source for Trixie. Bookworm is more mature but I do know you may hit certain emulation stopping issues with Trixie which prevents you doing certain things so it can be a lottery. Bookworm works. Trixie is good but not mature enough. As long as you remember this caveat choose whichever you want. I used Bookworm as my main production emulation platform but use Trixie for experimentation as if it doesnt work I just restore my image and try again on Trixie and it doesnt harm my Bookworm setup. (I have 2 x Pi5's and I have several RetroPie base images I can use to restore when I want)

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u/Grand_Snow_2637 5d ago

Binary vs source install is one thing. But as for it being more "mature", so are Bullseye and Buster. Where do you draw the line between "mature" and just "old"?

> certain emulation stopping issues with Trixie which prevents you doing certain things

See this is what I'm more interested in. Like, is there anything specific that doesn't work, or is it just ephemeral, unnamed "certain things" that "might" not?

I'm at the point where I want to update my old Buster "official image" to a more current 64-bit build, and I been trying to decide which OS to use. Right now Bullseye is "more mature" and has binaries available. Trixie is more "experimental" but will be supported for longer, before I have to do this again.

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u/Varkanoid 5d ago

> Binary vs source install is one thing. But as for it being more "mature", so are Bullseye and Buster. Where do you draw the line between "mature" and just "old"?

When emulators no longer work on Buster/Bullseye and the repositories have been retired/archived so you have to do fixes to get them to work.

When RetroPie devs spent the last 12 months or so building binaries for Bookworm and not for Bullseye and Buster.

When newer MESA drivers are not available for Bullseye/Buster. When reading about what people generally use and Bookworm comes up a lot.

Get my drift ? :)

As for Trixie, I dont record and keep a log of everything I have come across that people have had issues with. I just remember reading and moved on. Have a look at the official forum. I have had a couple of issues with Trixie (cant remember what) but I have Bookworm in my arcade cab its been there for 2 years and handles everything I need.

Do some research. Personal choice at the end of the day.

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u/Enough_Substance9750 5d ago

Thanks guys, strar8ng again and going to install the one I've the pointer is on, would that be ok ? Thanks

https://reddit.com/link/p69ldf0/video/odv0nqwnpylh1/player

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u/Enough_Substance9750 5d ago

Sorry I meant 2nd from the bottom, 64 bit lite

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u/Varkanoid 5d ago

Yeah give that a try

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u/Enough_Substance9750 20h ago

Question mate, finally got everything running as we said, been a bit busy there....

Can you help though ? So if I exit out of GUI (Bookworm) Run Emulationstation everything runs as it should, sound / video all good etc, but Amiga and ST are very very slow and sound stuttering, I mean slow ! I can still Esc out and Ctrl/F1 or whatever so all running well, any ideas ?

Also CGPT helped me create a desktop shortcut which starts emulation fine, jumps into a Windo and the fullscreen but everything runs bad, sound / video so slow, can you help ?

I went through laods with Gemini and CPT but etill the same, I gave up etc

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u/Varkanoid 20h ago

I thought you installed OS lite. It should not have a desktop its not needed and can cause slowdown due to overheads. Of you have done it right it should autoboot into Emulationstation.

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u/Enough_Substance9750 19h ago

Ah OK, yes I installed 64Bit OS Lite, but it boots to a desktop, very lightweight etc

I even had to install Chromium manually, then I bash'd the Retropie etc and ran all the updates, Samba'd all my Roms over fomr my Window PC, so was this the wrong way to do this for the Pi400 ?

I tried various Arcade Punks Torrents a while back, i've loas from over the years but none ran too good if I remember ! Is there on you could recommend from there etc ?

Thanks for your quick reply, oh and I dont mind starting aging if I have to, 3rd time lucky lol

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u/Varkanoid 18h ago

Dont use a desktop is my recomendation launch straight into Emulationstation.

Cant discuss 3rd party images. Against the rules.

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u/Enough_Substance9750 17h ago

So am I better starting again ?

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u/Varkanoid 16h ago

The best way at the moment is use Bookworm 64 bit Lite or Trixie 64 bit lite.

The follow these instructions from "Install RetroPie".

https://retropie.org.uk/docs/Manual-Installation/

As I said before only discussions on the official image can be talked about here no 3rd party dodgy images.

Have a look at this for something extra

https://github.com/Exarkuniv/RetroPie-Extra

https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/37363/introducing-retropie-bsides