r/SocialDemocracy 2d ago

Weekly Discussion Thread - week beginning August 30, 2026

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Hey everyone, those of you that have been here for some time may remember that we used to have weekly discussion threads. I felt like bringing them back and seeing if they get some traction. Discuss whatever you like - policy, political events of the week, history, or something entirely unrelated to politics if you like.


r/SocialDemocracy 14d ago

Practice Stop the internet wars and go organize in your city or town

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Look. I get it. It's fun to dunk on people, find community here and there, see you're not the only one who hates Hasan Piker / Destiny.

And yeah it's cool to clearly delineate yourself from democratic socialists / social democrats.

But this is just online. The loud people are really loud, whether you like them or not. You feel like part of a group, It's cool.

But it doesn't really matter, because all the other, not-permanently-online have never really heard of your wins and losses. They have heard of Hasan and Destiny, maybe, and possibly even have an opinion, but probably not one that is well informed.

Instead, these people in your community have real problems. Problems you can talk to them about, talk about possible solutions, maybe even start a petition, or otherwise get super involved.

With time, you'll find your people. You'll likely find that all the stuffy ou worried about online almost doesn't matter. There's very few tankies amongst socialists / bad neolibs among social democrats. All the DSA loudies you hear about? Yeah they are in the international committee, not your own chapter. Instead, you find real friends, co-activists, and finally, actual success against these fascists trying to take over your country.

So. How can you get there?

  • Look around what groups already exist: Maybe your city has a tolerable DSA after all? Maybe your mayor's campaign? maybe working families party has actual meetings where you are?

  • See if you vibe with the people: Even if you think group X is perfect, there's a non-zero chance everyone there suuuucks. Maybe they only want to talk, not act. Maybe they are all Castrofans. Maybe they are all boomers. It's ok. Try another group. Or start your own.

  • And you know what? It's ok if you don't fully agree with people. Those folks in the actual local groups aren't gonna discuss for hours about Venezuela. They all want to make things better.

  • This way, you get experience, you get engagement. It's fun. You'll start to actually change thigns to the better around you.

This post was sponsored by my inability to comprehend the very online discourse y'all americans bring here.

Get engaged. Social democracy didn't start from a monolith, it started from action and discussions and solving people's problems.

In times like these we do not have the luxury to clearly delineate our friends.


r/SocialDemocracy 6h ago

Effortpost How social democracy and democratic socialism have been linked for over a hundred years

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So lately on the subreddit I've noticed a kind of aggressive anti-socialism taking root. A lot of the American social democrats on this sub seem to think that contemporary social democracy has nothing at all to do with socialism and is resolutely pro-capitalist. I think part of the issue is that many people on this subreddit seem to regard social democracy only as an abstract model to be implemented, not a living and complex political tradition. To be clear, my point here is not that social democrats who favor stopping at a mixed economy are somehow not real social democrats. That absolutely is a valid and established perspective in the social democratic movement. I just wanted to make this post to encourage a more ecumenical attitude about ideological diversity within social democracy. To that end, I thought it would be helpful to broadly chart the ideological evolution of the social democratic movement. That evolution definitely shifted away from many traditional socialist commitments over time, I'm not denying that. But there have also been persistent continuities that refute the idea that social democratic parties completely abandoned socialism. Let's take a look.

When social democracy began it was rooted in the socialist and labor movements. This was around the 1880s with the formation of the Second International, an international organization of social democratic parties. The term "social democracy" was virtually synonymous with the term socialism. The largest and most influential party of the Second International was the German SPD. It was also the most Marxist influenced of all the parties, it's 1891 Erfurt Program laid out an essentially Marxist analysis of the flaws of capitalism and the means to overcome it. The Erfurt Program became a major influence on many of the parties of the Second International. Marxism was part of the common tongue of every social democrat.

World War 1 was a major turning point. The German SPD voted to approve war funding despite previously committing to vote down funding if war erupted. This led to a schism between the radical and more moderate factions in the social democratic movement. The radicals largely exited the mainstream social democratic parties and followed Lenin's lead into the Communist movement. But even with that being the case, social democratic parties retained their commitment to socialism as a goal.

One of the reasons social democratic labor parties became so popular with the working class is that they were champions of free and universal suffrage. Up until the early 20th century, most European countries had property restrictions on the franchise that excluded working class voters. English workers didn't fully get to vote until after 1917! Social democrats were essential in democratizing Europe and winning the vote for all workers.

But once they did that, something became clear: The organized, industrial working class base of the social democratic parties wasn't sufficient in numbers to win a majority in parliament. So many of the social democratic parties pragmatically adapted to the new electoral landscape. One example is in Sweden where the social democrats formed a class alliance with farmers in the 1930s. The social democrats agreed to implement state price supports and regulations to protect Swedish agriculture. In exchange, the farmers supported the social democrats' large public works programs and active government intervention to fight unemployment. Similar stories played out with other social democratic parties. Although still primarily rooted in the socialist trade union movement, social democratic parties broadened their appeal and became "People's parties." Again though, social democratic parties still broadly conceived of themselves as being socialists with an end goal of common ownership of the means of production. Even the British Labour Party, probably the least Marxist influenced of any the of social democratic labor parties, was making calls for socialization as late as their 1945 party program:

The Labour Party is a Socialist Party, and proud of it. Its ultimate purpose at home is the establishment of the Socialist Commonwealth of Great Britain - free, democratic, efficient, progressive, public-spirited, its material resources organised in the service of the British people.

But Socialism cannot come overnight, as the product of a week-end revolution. The members of the Labour Party, like the British people, are practical-minded men and women.

There are basic industries ripe and over-ripe for public ownership and management in the direct service of the nation. There are many smaller businesses rendering good service which can be left to go on with their useful work.

The Attlee government elected after this manifesto was published went on to establish the National Health Service and expand social security. They also nationalized key industries like coal, gas, electricity, railways, and steel. The fight for expanding the welfare state and other reforms was not seen as being in opposition to the broader and longer term fight for democratic socialism.

The postwar period was the time when the outlines of the social democratic compromise crystalized. Most of the parties converged on a practical program of expanding the welfare state and increasing the power of unions. The Cold War put additional pressure on the parties to distance themselves from full scale socialization. The country where this was the most pronounced was probably West Germany. The Social Democrats there produced the 1959 Godesberg Program, which downplayed the importance of nationalization as a socialist goal and committed the party to broadly supporting market competition between firms. But even in this case, it's not accurate to say the party decisively rejected socialism as a goal. From the opening of the platform:

Democratic Socialism, which in Europe is rooted in Christian ethics, humanism and classical philosophy, does not proclaim ultimate truths – not because of any lack of understanding for or indifference to philosophical or religious truths, but out of respect for the individual’s choice in these matters of conscience in which neither the state nor any political party should be allowed to interfere.

The Social Democratic Party is the party of freedom of thought. It is a community of men holding different beliefs and ideas. Their agreement is based on the moral principles and political aims they have in common. The Social Democratic Party strives for a way of life in accordance with these principles. Socialism is a constant task – to fight for freedom and justice, to preserve them and to live up to them.

So here you can see that they retained the goal of socialism, albeit in a more ethical form. Willy Brandt, the popular German social democratic chancellor who governed most in line with the with the more market friendly Godesberg Program once said, "Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism are one and the same."

Finally, we come to the onset of neoliberalism and the emergence of the Third Way starting in the late seventies/early eighties. Across the developed world, there was a kind of crisis of the classical Keynesian model that had dominated across the Western liberal democracies to greater or lesser extents in the postwar era. In the US it manifested in things like the stagflation. What was needed was a new growth model. Economic growth had to be restored so many social democratic parties embraced greater levels of marketization in order to secure more capitalist investment. This was a real low period for the left wing of social democracy. An emblematic example is in 1995 when the Labour Party under Tony Blair substantially altered Clause IV of the Labour Party member handbook. The version that had existed for 77 years had read that the purpose of the Labour Party was:

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.

The revised version stated:

The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.

The change reflected a major shift away from traditional socialism to a much more market friendly stance. But nonetheless, traditional socialist Labour Party members still remained within the party. Tony Benn, one of the most eloquent expositors of democratic socialism, remained a party MP until 2001. He had a following and was influential on figures on the Left of the party, like Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell.

What this all shows is that there is a strong and enduring link between democratic socialism and social democracy. The idea that socialism is just a relic of the very distant past and has had no influence on contemporary social democratic parties is mistaken. As I sketched out, there undeniably has been a broad shift away from traditional socialism over a hundred plus years. But it was by no means as decisive or final as some might think. My flair on this subreddit is democratic socialist but I'd just as happily answer to radical or left-wing social democrat. It's a real, living tradition that continues up to this day. My hope is that more moderate social democrats and radical social democrats in the US can work together in service of our shared goals, just as members of the most successful social democratic parties have done. Because if you can't work with people who agree with you ninety percent of the issues, who can you work with?


r/SocialDemocracy 7h ago

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r/SocialDemocracy 13h ago

Question What Organizations to Get Involved as a Social Democrat

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Howdy,

I’m from San Diego and am a social democrat. Recently the DSA has been quite the buzz and I decided to look into it and found the results a bit confusing. On one hand certain local chapters seem reasonable and up my alley while others are occupied by “tankies,” and the national organization seems to be in a strange spot. I’m fine with working with socialists and center left people, but I worry that as the DSA grows it may sabotage the leftist movement with its more authoritarian or unpragmatic elements. Which leaves me with a conundrum. What sort of organizations should I get involved with to push the Democratic Party to a more progressive place while not backing tankies.

To be clear I’m already involved a bit with the Democratic Party and have done some door knocking and obviously vote in the primaries. But I’ve been thinking about joining the DSA and having the SocDem position heard there.

Thoughts? Btw if anyone wants to join my book club lmk. I’m doing a big reading list on liberalism its defense and critics.

Thanks

Sean


r/SocialDemocracy 15h ago

Miscellaneous International leaders' approval ratings in Spain by recalled vote

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r/SocialDemocracy 2h ago

Article The union job branch - a syndicalist take

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r/SocialDemocracy 12h ago

Discussion Quote of the Day #46 — Marie Shear

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"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people."

— Marie Shear, review of A Feminist Dictionary by Cheris Kramarae and Paula Treichler, New Directions for Women, 1986

Shear was an American writer, editor, and activist with the National Writers Union and NOW's Brooklyn chapter, who spent years writing a satirical column called "Shear Chauvinism." She coined this line in a book review, not as a standalone slogan. She was reviewing a dictionary of feminist terms compiled by linguists Cheris Kramarae and Paula Treichler, which is why the quote gets misattributed to Kramarae so often even today. Shear called herself a "widely unheralded writer & editor," which is a bit ironic given how far this one line traveled.

The line works as a one-sentence definition precisely because it frames feminism as a baseline claim (personhood) rather than a specific policy program. Does that framing still hold up as a description of feminism broadly, or has the term come to mean something more specific and contested than just "women are people"? And if so, where do you think the disagreement actually starts?


r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

Discussion Decreasing immigration won’t appease the far right

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from a european socialist.

here in Europe where fascist clowns have been running around and gaining an uncomfortably large amount of votes and support, an understandable amount of discussion on what causes have been and what should be done to stop far right ghouls from gaining power.

I’ve seen people on the internetpoint out several reasons for the far right gaining power, some are social and underlying causes of neoliberalism slowly eroding everything good about our society and fueling every bigotry imaginable. On the one hand, a widening wealth gap allows far right billionaires that control our media (and oppurtunists who see money in peddling fascist talking points) to exploit long simmering anger at REAL PROBLEMS, like inequality, fewer and worse jobs, alongside made up fear mongering about brown muslims. Neoliberalism erodes welfare, which makes life for the poor and lower income people even harder. (who are vulnerable to the far right).

Privatisation incentivized cutting costs and efficiently, leading to factory jobs and those in industry to be moved overseas, further moving most people from stable jobs into unstable (and *unionized*) service jobs. Now it’s the early 2010s in Europe right after the financial crisis and everybody is trying to make sense of how to fix what was unregulated banking’s unending greed, and then came the fucking refugee crisis!. All problems lying underneath our society burst forth, low wages, job competition (race to the bottom), and xenophobia.

I’ve seen people (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1vrictc/the_rise_of_the_far_right_afd_in_germany/ check user GonnaGoFar’s comment as an example) claiming that the left or leftist governments somehow caused the far right by not restricting immigration enough and that people wouldn’t vote for the far right, since the far right is know as being a political ideology of logic and reason. Rhetoric like this really pisses me off since they’re in principle, just conceding to far right demands and hoping, nay praying that fascists won’t find another enemy to attack or make up one.

Also, many refugee rates in european countries have reach historic lows, like Germany! yet the far right still proliferates. Denmark did so, and the far right (collectively among several parties) there has nearly 20 percent! which is almost the same as our far right party here in sweden, where we accepted far more refugees (and apparently where society collapsed according to social media??).

To summarize: The far right doesn’t care about how many immigrants or refugees there are, because they are hateful people who Despise seeing even one, and don’t care about data or statistics like some naively believe. Neoliberalism and a horrible job market has made our lives worse, destroying our welfare system, fueling wealth inequality, and fueling support to neo-feudalist billionaire ghouls. THEY are at fault, not the Jews or the immigrants and refugees!

stop feeding the wolf bigger animals and hope to make it less hungry you fools!

(Sidenote: it is fucking depressing how refugees are stripped of their humanity and treated as pawns in politics at best and pitied, or as pestilence to be exterminated at worst in online discussions by europeans)


r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

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r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

Effortpost INSANE new poll for next year's French presidential election: Zoomers & to a lesser extent younger Millennials very strongly support Mélenchon in the first round & want little to do with Le Pen in either round regardless of her rival... but older Millennials, Gen X'ers & Boomers... 😬😬😬😬😬😬

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https://elabe.fr/fichier-pdf/13224-les-francais-et-lelection-presidentielle-2027/

For brevity, for the first round I'll only inclue the data for the sixth hypothetical scenario (all three of Glucksmann, Attal & Philippe run), & I'll only break down the data by age group & by 2024 legislative election recalled vote, the candidates are arranged from most left-wing to most right-wing:

1er TOUR – CONFIGURATION 6

Total:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 1.5%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 14.5%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 3.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 12.5%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 6.5%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 14.5%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 7.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 2.5%
  • Marine LE PEN: 34.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 4.0%

18-24 ans:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 0.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 42.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 5.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 10.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 7.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 14.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 4.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 3.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 14.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 1.0%

25-34 ans:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 2.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 28.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 2.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 14.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 12.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 9.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 1.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 3.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 28.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 1.0%

35-49 ans:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 2.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 14.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 1.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 9.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 5.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 15.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 8.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 2.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 38.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 6.0%

50-64 ans:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 1.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 10.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 3.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 12.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 7.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 13.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 7.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 3.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 41.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 3.0%

65 ans et plus:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 2.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 8.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 4.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 15.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 6.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 17.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 9.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 2.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 31.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 6.0%

NFP (LFI, EELV, PS, PCF):

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 3.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 47.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 10.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 28.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 3.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 4.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 0.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 1.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 4.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 0.0%

Ensemble (Renaissance, MoDem, Horizons, etc.):

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 0.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 2.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 0.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 15.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 17.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 46.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 10.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 1.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 7.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 2.0%

LR, DVD, UDI:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 0.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 5.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 0.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 7.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 8.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 25.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 26.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 5.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 24.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 0.0%

Rassemblement National et ses alliés:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 2.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 0.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 0.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 0.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 1.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 1.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 5.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 2.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 79.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 10.0%

Abstention, vote blanc ou nul, non-inscrits:

  • Nathalie ARTHAUD: 1.0%
  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 14.0%
  • Fabien ROUSSEL: 3.0%
  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 11.0%
  • Gabriel ATTAL: 10.0%
  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 13.0%
  • Bruno RETAILLEAU: 6.0%
  • Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN: 4.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 36.0%
  • Éric ZEMMOUR: 2.0%

2nd TOUR – CONFIGURATION 1

Total:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 30.5%
  • Marine LE PEN: 69.5%

18-24 ans:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 64.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 36.0%

25-34 ans:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 50.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 50.0%

35-49 ans:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 29.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 71.0%

50-64 ans:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 24.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 76.0%

65 ans et plus:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 20.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 80.0%

NFP (LFI, EELV, PS, PCF):

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 89.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 11.0%

Ensemble (Renaissance, MoDem, Horizons, etc.):

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 14.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 86.0%

LR, DVD, UDI:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 8.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 92.0%

Rassemblement National et ses alliés:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 1.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 99.0%

Abstention, vote blanc ou nul, non-inscrits:

  • Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON: 29.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 71.0%

2nd TOUR – CONFIGURATION 2

Total:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 43.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 57.0%

18-24 ans:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 67.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 33.0%

25-34 ans:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 56.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 44.0%

35-49 ans:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 35.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 65.0%

50-64 ans:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 39.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 61.0%

65 ans et plus:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 42.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 58.0%

NFP (LFI, EELV, PS, PCF):

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 89.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 11.0%

Ensemble (Renaissance, MoDem, Horizons, etc.):

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 70.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 30.0%

LR, DVD, UDI:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 34.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 66.0%

Rassemblement National et ses alliés:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 1.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 99.0%

Abstention, vote blanc ou nul, non-inscrits:

  • Raphaël GLUCKSMANN: 41.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 59.0%

2nd TOUR – CONFIGURATION 3

Total:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 43.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 57.0%

18-24 ans:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 76.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 24.0%

25-34 ans:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 54.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 46.0%

35-49 ans:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 39.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 61.0%

50-64 ans:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 37.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 63.0%

65 ans et plus:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 40.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 60.0%

NFP (LFI, EELV, PS, PCF):

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 82.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 18.0%

Ensemble (Renaissance, MoDem, Horizons, etc.):

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 79.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 21.0%

LR, DVD, UDI:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 49.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 51.0%

Rassemblement National et ses alliés:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 2.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 98.0%

Abstention, vote blanc ou nul, non-inscrits:

  • Gabriel ATTAL: 45.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 55.0%

2nd TOUR – CONFIGURATION 4

Total:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 47.5%
  • Marine LE PEN: 52.5%

18-24 ans:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 77.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 23.0%

25-34 ans:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 53.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 47.0%

35-49 ans:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 43.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 57.0%

50-64 ans:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 44.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 56.0%

65 ans et plus:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 45.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 55.0%

NFP (LFI, EELV, PS, PCF):

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 83.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 17.0%

Ensemble (Renaissance, MoDem, Horizons, etc.):

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 84.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 16.0%

LR, DVD, UDI:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 54.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 46.0%

Rassemblement National et ses alliés:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 6.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 94.0%

Abstention, vote blanc ou nul, non-inscrits:

  • Édouard PHILIPPE: 52.0%
  • Marine LE PEN: 48.0%

r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

Question Can someone explain how we aren't able to sustain this conflict with Iran?

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My understanding for pretty much my entire life has been that we spend like half the entire US budget on the military, that we spend so much on them and continuously increase how much we spend on them that they literally have no idea what to do with all the money they get.

And yet despite all that, this Iran war is literally breaking the back of the US military and showing that we're a paper tiger. We're running out of ammo somehow, A bunch of our bases have turned to rubble, We're struggling to restock and take care of deployed ships leading to soldiers jumping off the side of the ship.

Does this mean that we're drastically overpaying for the things the military needs that private companies produce? That's the only thing I can think of to explain this, like over time companies bought politicians to send more money to the military so that the military can get overcharged for the products companies produce. Instead of actually making our military the strongest in the world by spending money on it we actually about as powerful any other major power like China and Russia.

I remember when Russia ended up failing in their invasion of Ukraine and ended up in a stalemate, when they were originally expected to take at least most of the country pretty easily. And so it felt like Russia was revealed to be a paper tiger. Now though I just feel like we are all just severely overestimating the power that even the biggest militaries have. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we find out that China invades Taiwan but ends up not being able to occupy much of the island, and eventually is forced to retreat.


r/SocialDemocracy 22h ago

Question AITAH. I’m pro-union, pro-healthcare, pro ethnic rights

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I am pro-union, anti-genocide, pro-healthcare.

But I buy from Amazon/Temu/Walmart, where lots is sourced from China. And China has 2 genocides and Taiwan who they just want to take. Their wages are lots lower and not respectable. And they disqualify hundreds of millions from state healthcare based on where they were born.


r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

Question Why is there so much confusion about communism and socialism?

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One of the most common arguments among neoliberals is that while there is much talk about reactionary right-wing dictatorships (fascism, Nazism, and the like), "communist" dictatorships are rarely discussed. This claim is obviously flawed for several reasons, but it does offer food for thought.

A quick look at social media reveals total ignorance regarding communism and socialism, among both detractors and supporters. Two main pieces of misinformation circulate: the first, and most famous, concerns Che Guevara and homosexuals. Although this claim has been debunked repeatedly, many people remain convinced it is true, which is truly sad.

The second myth to dispel concerns Thomas Sankara; he was not a communist in any sense, but rather a type of socialist representing the interests of the bourgeoisie, a good man, probably, but definitely not a communist. The same applies to all the others: just as we do not take Hitler seriously when he claimed to be a socialist, or North Korea when it claims to be democratic, we need to abandon the very notion of a "communist state."

In reality, all so-called "communist states" were socialist regimes, controversial ones, to be sure, but ones that deserve to be analyzed with more seriousness than the simplistic "100 million dead" narrative. Curiously, the dictatorship that came closest to communism was Pol Pot’s, yet even in that case, I would not classify it as a communist regime. Instead, we should distinguish between fully realized socialist regimes (like Milošević’s Serbia) and socialist regimes with the formal goal of achieving communism (like Stalinist Russia).

I find the level of confusion surrounding this topic quite sad.


r/SocialDemocracy 10h ago

News NYC-DSA Approves $95,000 Co-Chair Salaries Amid Controversy

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r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

Question So is Social Democracy and Socialism the same thing?

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Talking to a swede on here and they are claiming Social Democracies and Socialism is the same thing. Which would mean that Nordic Countries are not and have never been Social Democracies since they have always just been capitalist countries. Can you be anti-capitalist socialist and subscribe to social democracy ideology then? Also there is private ownership of the means of production in socialist economies? I'm so confused and getting tired of the definition of socialism changing depending on what flavor you talk too.


r/SocialDemocracy 2d ago

Opinion I’m a DSA Member. I Don’t Agree With Our Platform. That’s Democracy.

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“Workers Deserve More contains important democratic proposals, but democratic socialists also have to defend democratic space right now, while building the political coalitions necessary to change society.
And the working class is not a faceless mass waiting to be organized. It is already organized in labor unions, tenant organizations, immigrant rights groups, Black civic institutions, reproductive justice organizations, environmental movements and neighborhood organizations.
The challenge for democratic socialists is not to invent these movements. It is to help connect them into durable political power.
That is where I see democratic socialism in practice.
I see it in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, whose campaigns have connected economic demands with grassroots organizing and broad democratic participation. I see it in Bernie Sanders, whose presidential campaigns brought millions of working people into a political movement centered on economic inequality, labor rights, health care and democratic participation. I see it in Rashida Tlaib, whose politics connect working people’s demands with racial justice, immigrant rights and community organizing. I see it in Zohran Mamdani and the coalition politics that propelled him onto the national stage.
And I see it in Angie Nixon, a Florida state legislator and more recent DSA member whose political work reflects the kind of coalition building democratic socialists should embrace: connecting working people’s economic concerns with racial justice, community organizing and their everyday needs.
These leaders do not agree on everything. Neither do their supporters.”


r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

Opinion The Republican Party’s Midterm Nightmare Is Taking Shape - POLITICO

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r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

Discussion Quote of the Day #45 — Abraham Lincoln

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"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it... Plainly, the central idea of secession is the essence of anarchy. A majority held in restraint by constitutional checks and limitations, and always changing easily with deliberate changes of popular opinions and sentiments, is the only true sovereign of a free people. Whoever rejects it does of necessity fly to anarchy or to despotism."

— Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, 1861

Lincoln delivered this address as seven Southern states had already seceded, in a final attempt to avoid war. He opens by conceding, almost as a truism, that the people as a whole retain a revolutionary right to overthrow their government, language he can't really disown, given its roots in the Declaration of Independence. But he immediately pivots to deny that a minority faction can invoke that right unilaterally just because it lost an election. His actual argument is that secession is "the essence of anarchy," and that a constitutionally-restrained majority, not a breakaway minority, is the only legitimate sovereign in a free republic.

Lincoln draws a hard line between a general, theoretical right of revolution belonging to the people as a whole, and the specific, practical claim that any losing faction can invoke that right whenever it doesn't like the outcome. Is that a coherent distinction, or does it just relocate the problem? Who decides when a majority has become tyrannical enough to justify the "revolutionary" option Lincoln concedes exists?


r/SocialDemocracy 1d ago

Question Democratic socialists: what historical example of democratic socialism in practice demonstrates democratic socialism works and is a good and sustainable idea?

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And please don't insult our intelligence by saying Scandinavia or other social democracies, unless you want to insist the 1973-1976 Scandinavian attempt to shift Scandinavia from social democracy to democratic socialism was a big success and not an utter failure that led to the offshoring of large Swedish companies like Ikea and Tetra Pak as well as the wealthy expatriating to tax havens.


r/SocialDemocracy 3d ago

Opinion Marxist Leninists Shouldn’t Lead DSA

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r/SocialDemocracy 2d ago

Discussion Quote of the Day #44 — Dolores Ibárruri

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"Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."

— Dolores Ibárruri ("La Pasionaria"), radio address, 1936

Ibárruri was a Spanish Communist Party leader and one of the most famous orators of the Spanish Civil War. She delivered this line in a radio broadcast days after the war broke out, and became a defining voice of Republican resistance to Franco. She's better known for coining "¡No pasarán!" ("They shall not pass") a few months later during the defense of Madrid. After the Republic's defeat in 1939 she went into exile in the Soviet Union for nearly four decades, returning to Spain only in 1977 after Franco's death.

This line has been repeated across wildly different contexts since. Hemingway put it in a Republican fighter's mouth in For Whom the Bell Tolls, and FDR used a version of it in a 1941 speech on WWII resistance to fascism. Is a slogan like this really "socialist" or "left" at all, or is it closer to a general anti-fascist/anti-authoritarian sentiment that people across very different politics have reached for in moments of resistance?


r/SocialDemocracy 2d ago

News Funding Delays Threaten Rollout of Mamdani’s 2-K Program

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Many early childhood centers, the backbone of New York City’s universal child care system, have not received money from the city for this school year, some day care operators said.

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By Matthew Haag

Aug. 27, 2026

Funding issues and late payments are threatening the rollout of Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s free child care system for 2-year-olds, two weeks before the program is scheduled to begin, day care providers said.

Many early childhood centers have yet to receive funding to buy classroom furniture and basic supplies like pencils and paper, or to pay newly hired teachers and assistants. Without the money, several providers have warned parents that the centers will not open when school starts on Sept. 10. Because of the delays, city officials had encouraged providers to apply for interest-free bridge loans from the city — not just for 2-K programs but also for 3-K and pre-K programs. But many of those who have applied for the loans say that money has not arrived either, forcing them to take out high-interest personal loans, borrow from relatives and drain their personal savings.

“Yes, they have a 2-K program, but they didn’t set up the infrastructure to make it work,” said Nurita Love, who operates four day care centers in the Bronx and will have four 2-K classes. Jenna Lyle, a spokeswoman for the mayor, said that the city would be temporarily moving workers from other agencies to the city’s Department of Education, which oversees early childhood programs, to speed up the review and approval of the contracts for day care providers, which has led to the delay in payments.

Ms. Lyle said that the city would also contact the more than 1,100 providers over the coming days to explain how they could receive bridge loans. She added that the department would be rebuilding the early childhood education division, which lost hundreds of employees during the previous administration.

“These delays are unacceptable, and we are going to fix them,” Ms. Lyle said in a statement. “The Mamdani administration is working around the clock to ensure child care providers have the funding they need by the first day of school.”

Providers have diverted money from their private day care programs or made cuts, such as eliminating snacks for children. Some have asked parents to bring crayons, toilet paper and food on the first day of day care.

The monthly expenses at Ms. Love’s centers exceed $320,000, she said. Without city funds, Ms. Love said, she decided to take out a personal loan and a reverse mortgage on her house to pay her employees, utilities and insurance.

“I had no choice,” she said, adding that this had been the most stressful period in her 43 years running day cares.

Mr. Mamdani made universal child care a centerpiece of his campaign, pledging to make New York the first U.S. city to offer free care from infancy to kindergarten. In recent months, Mr. Mamdani has held celebratory news conferences about the addition of 2,000 seats for 2-year-olds this fall, building on the city’s free child care system for 3-K and pre-K.

The backbone of the city’s universal child care system is not the public schools but neighborhood early childhood centers, which enroll a majority of children. Day care operators have long complained that the city does not treat them equally and that reimbursements routinely arrive weeks or months late.

But in interviews with 18 day care owners and administrators, none said they could recall ever being in such a precarious state. Several day care centers have closed in recent weeks. At some sites, employees have not been paid in a month or longer.

Day care owners added that the Department of Education was hard to reach, often failing to return calls and emails about funding or the bridge loans.

The administrators said they had been hopeful that the program would be improved under Mr. Mamdani, given his focus on universal child care and his pledge to run a city that delivered “public excellence.”

Maria Mavrides Calderon, an assistant professor at the Hunter College School of Education and a former education director at a preschool in the city, said she was “deeply concerned that we are expanding a system that was on a very shaky foundation.”

Theresa Hyland, who operates Little Tots Red Wagon, a preschool in Queens that is slated to run a 2-K classroom of 12, said that an Education Department official told her Wednesday that she would have to cover the estimated $90,000 in upfront costs for the class and submit receipts for reimbursement later. Ms. Hyland also said she could not register the students in the department’s internal system.

“I have bailed them out before, but I am not doing it again,” she said of the department, and added that the center would not open if city funding didn’t arrive soon. “It’s an absolute disaster.”

Samantha Peters, who owns a 3-K and pre-K center in Queens that serves 75 children, had planned to tell her employees on Thursday that the center would not open on Sept. 10 because she had no reserves or savings to afford upfront costs. But she said she found a way to stay open at least for September: Her landlord will allow her to postpone the next rent payment of $10,600, and she will ask her employees to apply for temporary unemployment benefits.

“I am worried — I am scared,” Ms. Peters said. “I don’t know what to do.” In past years, the centers have received 30 percent of their annual contract in a lump sum before the school year starts, the providers said.

The current situation has led to finger-pointing between city agencies. Education department officials have told day care owners that the payments cannot be disbursed until their annual contracts are registered by the Office of the City Comptroller. But the comptroller’s office said the Education Department must first share the contracts for them to be registered.

None of the providers contacted by The New York Times said that their contracts had been registered. The comptroller’s office said that no contracts for the 2-K program had been shared with it.

“The start of the school year is not an unexpected event,” Mark Levine, the city comptroller, said in a statement. “This needs to be fixed immediately.”

In mid-July, the Lucille Rose Day Care Center in Queens had run out of money when a Department of Education official urged the organization to apply for a bridge loan, saying that the money could be paid out in less than two weeks. The center’s leaders asked for $125,000.

But the loan was not quickly disbursed. Still waiting for the money, they decided to take out a separate loan for about the same amount.

The bridge loan finally arrived in mid-August, but it was for $75,000, said Sonia R. Banks, the chairwoman of the center’s board. The organization now has $31,000 in the bank, not enough to pay all its bills in the coming weeks, as it prepares to welcome 74 students to its 2-K, 3-K and pre-K classes.

Ms. Banks said that the Mamdani administration should have started to prepare the payments and contracts for the early childhood centers at the beginning of the year.

“Under Mamdani, he swears that he is for community day cares,” Ms. Banks said. “Then he needs to show up and fix it.”

Matthew Haag is a Times education reporter focusing on New York City schools.