I actually like that MLS doesn't use it. VAR was invented to correct "clear and obvious mistakes" and if an offside position needs lines to be drawn or else it can't be definitely seen, then it can't be a "clear and obvious mistake".
Offside technology is horrible. Look what happens in EPL and the WC, with goals being called off for a fingernail. Thats against the spirit of the game. MLS is doing it right: there’s no hard proof the AR is wrong so the decision stands.
I thought the same thing. They clearly checked during the game. It felt long enough in the stadium. Then I watched the broadcast to see the replay and it felt like no time at all. I suspect it was all the replays as mentioned here.
Not to be an ass, legit question here. How much time difference could there possibly be vs AppleTV’s “live” broadcast? I’m sure there is a bit of a delay but I always assumed a handful of seconds…not 1-2 minutes.
Ha yes I am aware that following a goal there is a break in play. Believe it or not I’ve been present for live matches and viewing them on television. That, to me, seemed quick on the restart for such a closely disputed goal. Seen longer restarts simply for celebrations.
How do you figure, both teams were standing ready to play and Rusnak was holding the ball next to the referee for at lest two minutes. Very clearly waiting for a check.
Okay. How long do you think it should take to check? You can go back and watch. The ball went in the net at 81:01, and play resumed 82:33. That’s over a minute and a half. That seems like plenty of time for me.
Oh cmon…you know it’s situational and why you’re wanting to argue over this wild to me.
According to a quick search the average post goal reset time in MLS is 60-90 seconds…so yes, I do feel like it should have taken a skosh longer than your average goal to definitively make that call.
MLS's loose offside rulings are frustrating. How is this not clear enough to overturn the call?!
They'll say footage isn't clear enough to overturn the goal when the angle is poor and then we have a decent angle like today and they still say "idk looks like it could be onside, the camera might be letting us down, so let's trust the ref's call."
Clear as a rainy, foggy night. The line drawn doesn't look parallel with the 6. It looks like it's going out to meet his foot. The line is closer to the 6 at Bob's foot than at Nouhou's. You can see it in the turf as well.
For a perspective line it shouldn’t actually be parallel. Perspective lines converge at distance so it should be farther apart closer to the camera and tighter as you get farther. Not sure that would make enough of a difference here though.
The fact you guys are arguing it like this just goes to prove that it wasn’t clear and obvious, and the lack of intervention from VAR was the correct call. As much as I hate to say it.
Clear and obvious errors. In leagues with the super advanced tech, an inch is clear and obvious. MLS is cheap and doesn’t have that, so an offside decision has to be clear and obvious to overturn.
It’s close enough that it probably doesn’t matter in this case, but no way could you draw 100 lines across the field parallel to the 18 and they would all be accurate from the camera’s angle.
I'm retired. That means I don't work any longer. The last time I drew in perspective was in college. Besides, drawing house plans in CAD is not in perspective. If they were using technology, it would not be in a perspective view.
That’s scary to hear. Somebody should check your CAD work. Maybe you work in 2d, but this is an image of a 3d subject. So, it is in perspective (with a vanishing point and non-parallel lines).
Parallel line to the 6. How this would be viewed with technology is not in perspective. You can see the line drawn is closer to the 18 on Bob's foot than on the other side of the 18 box. The gap is larger. You don't need to concern yourself with my CAD work either, it is all officially checked and confirmed.
No, I said the line has a bias, in that it’s clearly not quite parallel with the penalty area line thats painted on the field. I said nothing about you being biased.. triggered much? Also, I said it was very close and too close to overturn, so no need for whatever you’re trying to project in my comment.
Triggered? Jesus christ my man, its literally a line I copied from the goal line. What is this 2016? fucking grow up and draw the line yourself if you don't believe me.
Clearly offside
VAR was AWOL all game.
Nothing for Elliot lining up Deki and hitting him directly in the back of the head with his forearm.
Nothing for Elliot committing clear handball in the area.
Nothing for Lewandowski after he pops Kee Hee in the face.
From the one angle they showed it’s impossible to confirm considering we’re talking inches. I don’t necessarily think this is a MLS conspiracy to gain viewership…but it is wild a goal scoring play is this close yet the “review” was shorter than my average piss.
The review entails the VAR and AVAR looking at the image and asking “is he clearly offside?”
Based on the debate here, I think in about a minute they could check this angle, find the point of contact, and conclude that while it’s possible the attacker is offside, there is not clear and obvious proof. They’re not drawing lines, nor do they need conclusive and incontrovertible evidence of a good goal. Just the lack of clear and obvious evidence to overturn the on-field decision.
If only there was some sort of automated offside-detecting technology that MLS could invest in. You know, something that would be quicker, more accurate, and reenforce the league's commitment to the integrity of the game.
The attacker looks like they are perfectly even with Nouhou and the linesman is in the best possible position. It’s hard for me to get too upset about this one.
Was at the game and family and i were the only ones innour section yelling about that horrid call, and even about the replay showing that photo! Sounders should have won
Hard to tell but as a Sounders fan I think Nouhou's foot keeps Lewandowski barely onside. Even if I'm seeing it wrong, it's too close to overturn. Don't like to see goals like that get called back in any case.
30 seconds to skim this 3 day old thread, formulate a condescending response, take a screenshot, rotate/crop said screenshot, type lame response and post?
Your employer either loves your efficiency or hates your ability to estimate.
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u/RysloVerik 3d ago
I would wager that would be offside if MLS used the automated technology.