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u/Key-Face-2117 17d ago
100%. I bought my house 27 years ago for 2x avg household income. Same house today? 7x avg income. Same mortgage rates.
Young people got fooked.
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u/AccordingWarning9534 17d ago
only 7x? In my city, a home is 13x the average income. We managed to buy one (yay!) but As a result, we can't afford kids.
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u/DickWhittingtonsCat 17d ago
What city is million dollar homes and household incomes is 80k?
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u/Merciless972 17d ago
And those that do own a home work an hour away from their home, so they're stuck in traffic.
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u/nobugsleftalive 16d ago
Not all of us.
I moved 3 hours away from toronto to find cheaper housing. Now we live a low COL while also both working closer to home. We have been very lucky.
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u/Whole-Reserve-4773 17d ago
There’s just less kids in general. Many schools shut down each year or consolidate because of low enrollment. Expensive as hell to have a kid
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u/Ilmara 17d ago
I remember reading a Boomer author (I think it was Bill Bryson?) describing his 1950s childhood as a sheer density of children that's unimaginable today.
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u/CalmMacaroon9642 17d ago
What truly wild is millennials don't seem to want any less kids than their parents but can't afford to. Can't afford a sahm so daycare which is atrocious in price. House anywhere close to work is eye small or extremely expensive. Oh and every few years random layoff.
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u/TessHKM 17d ago edited 16d ago
Idk. I've thought about this and I don't think people have considered the possibility that our parent's didn't want kids any more than we do, either - they just didn't have as much of a say in it. If you talk to your parents or grandparents' generation, for a lot of people having a family wasn't something they did but something that happened to them. They didn't have the luxury of caring whether or not they could afford kids, in many cases. Being a SAHM isn't traditionally something you "afford", it's something you're forced to do when you have zero marketable skills and/or autonomy.
I think the growing popularity of birth control, consent, and working/single women who don't have to rely on a husband for shelter has played a big role in the ability for millennial (and probably gen z) to delay having kids until they actually want them.
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u/SqueaksScreech 13d ago
Men came back from war, vaccines were being introduced, medicine was advancing slowly so more children made it passed the age of 3.
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u/Excellent-Goal4763 17d ago
How many middle class people are having kids when they’re under 30? There are more people having kids over 40 than there are teenage pregnancies. Even if people under 30 could afford these houses, there still wouldn’t be many kids.
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u/Trevor_Culley 17d ago
But how much of that is also due to cost of living? Everyone I know with a longterm partner in their late 20s has at least thought about wanting kids but keeps putting it off because it would be crippling expensive.
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u/sunny-beans 17d ago
I come with no data but my own personal experience lol I am 29yo, husband is 34yo, we want to have one child, no siblings (unless outside of our control like twins lol) but it is really hard to afford it. And we earn good money, own a flat (mortgage but affordable) still, childcare is the biggest barrier. If I keep working my salary would go fully to cover childcare until they turn 3 (UK based) and we get cover, if I stay at home, then same I guess, I have no income. So we would need to make surviving in 1 income for 3 years, what would be tough in London where everything is ridiculously expensive. If we had money we would have started trying at least, but at this point we are just wrestling with the idea due to money concerns
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u/Oceanic_Dan 17d ago
Ha, yeah this is what stood out to me. I don't care enough to look up the data, but, yeah, middle class neighborhoods filled with pre-teens (struggling for a word above toddler and below that) just aren't gonna really be much of a thing with 20-something year olds these days, regardless of housing affordability...
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u/Tomytom99 17d ago
Before somebody says "it's not money! Look at [insert empoverished nation here]!"
The money required for success in 1st world culture is significantly higher than that in empoverished nations. Don't forget that empoverished societies also have less access to birth control.
It's also, believe it or not, a multi-factor issue. People don't need just one reason to not have kids. Some might, but for many it's a combination of issues, some simple, some complex.
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u/SlayerOfDougs 17d ago
There's actually 10 million more kids than 1980 but percentage has gotten be down from 28 to 22%
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u/StackOverflowEx 17d ago
Living in an area that is experiencing an exitus is like that. Young adults don't want to stay because of declining opportunities and rising cost of living. Leaving the neighborhood full of elderly people who are upset that all their kids moved away. The young adults who want to raise a family move to suburbs near cities in regions that provide more safety with higher rated school systems. Those suburbs are currently expanding and the schools are having to build additions to keep up with the growth.
The young adults that don't wish to raise a family move to urban areas that are more condusive to highly social activities. That's where you see all those urban apartment complexes being built on the fringes of growing cities.
In the future, the now growing suburbs and urban areas will become the depressed and declining and a different area will take all it's population.
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u/NWYthesearelocalboys 16d ago
Our closest town's elementary school has a daycare and pre-school. They take newborns.
It's not free but it is very inexpensive.
At least our town is doing something to promote success for young families.
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u/badchad65 16d ago
Are there less kids though?
If you look at census data you can compare the quantity of people under 10 years of age now, vs in 1980 or 1950. It doesn’t suggest there are less kids. The structure of neighborhoods has changed.
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u/SqueaksScreech 13d ago
Apparently due to the pandemic there was a decline in children so we will be seeing the drop in university enrollments in a handful of years.
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u/Fit_Foot_6004 11d ago
plus people are so fucking nosey and will call the cops on a 12yr old for walking by themselves to the store
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u/You-Asked-Me 17d ago
This is the wonderful thing about old urban neighborhoods. They were built before McMansions, and wend through many different stages of development, so there is diversity in housing stock. My neighborhood has everything from 800sq/ft bungalows to a robust amount of duplexes and 4 families, to million dollar mansions. It is actually the most popular neighborhood for tricker treating in the city.
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u/noodleparty 17d ago
Yesss! I love mix zone neighborhoods like this. Truly cannot find anything modern like it and so many people that have only lived in traditional modern suburbs have no idea what they are missing out on
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u/You-Asked-Me 17d ago
Yeah, its pretty nice. Good community vibe, there is a fantastic park, and a few bars and restaurants, and several churches(not my thing) and schools that are sort of neighborhood anchors. We have little starter homes starting at $150-200k, but I saw a Lamborghini being delivered to one of the houses just a few blocks away. This is also a proper city neighborhood, about 10 minutes from downtown. People from the next county over think its a war zone though, lol.
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u/Ostiethegnome 17d ago
Suburbs feel empty because you have to drive everywhere, and there are few if any third spaces you can go to where there is no expectation to spend money.
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u/Jeydon 17d ago
The AI image is supposed to be depicting kids/families going door to door in their neighborhood trick-or-treating on Halloween. The reason this is less common today is because of the phenomenon of "trunk-or-treating" where families will form a group and schedule to go to a parking lot and offer candy from their cars for kids to go from car to car. One reason they cite for doing this is because walking around in suburbia is dangerous due to all the cars.
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u/ToastSpangler 17d ago
the bigger reason is parenting has just become intolerable, they don't even let kids walk home from the bus stop where i live anymore, whats even the point of the bus
"kids don't go anywhere anymore" yeah because for the first 16 years of their life they somehow aren't allowed to go around unattended. the only ones that do are the ones that shouldn't be roaming around by themselves. which reinforces the broken mentality
but once they turn 16 by any means let them drive a 3 ton vehicle, even though their odds of death are orders of magnitude higher than anything that would happen walking around with any level of traffic smarts (but again, they don't have traffic smarts, since they're not allowed to go outside alone when young)
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u/Math_refresher 17d ago
On Halloween night, our neighborhood looks exactly like the one in the image (minus the cars parked in the street). It's a parade of kids, their parents, and their dogs from dinner time to midnight. Like, hundreds of trick-or-treaters come to our door.
On Halloween, kids get candy, parents get Jello shots or beer, dogs get dog treats.
That said, the median home price, including condos and townhomes, in our town is like $775,000. The median--not average--detached single-family house price is $930,000 right now. Basically, there's not a lot of affordable starter homes in our area anymore.
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u/ImpressiveWalrus7369 17d ago
Median home price in my area is probably $400k. Our streets look like this at Halloween. In front of some of the more popular houses, the crowd is shoulder to shoulder, curb to curb. We’ve actually lost people in our group before because if the crowds.
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u/Bizzy1717 17d ago
I live in an area where tons of people do both trunk or treating and trick or treating, and I've literally never heard anyone express that they do trunk or treats because suburbia is dangerous. I see this constantly trotted out on Reddit but haven't encountered it in real life. It's just a way to get together with people and get candy and have fun.
Trick or treating is awkward in my neighborhood. Lots of people aren't home because they're out trick or treating with their own kids, others are old and curmudgeonly and don't answer the door, others leave candy and stuff on the steps so they don't have to answer the door, and some actually answer the door and seem happy about it. Like, it's fine, my kid likes it, but I think it's become massively romanticized for some reason.
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u/treRoscoe 17d ago
Yep! Also, trunk-or-treating is usually in addition to, not instead of, trick-or-treating in the neighborhood. There’s always tons of trunk-or-treats at locations around where I live in the week or so leading up to Halloween. So the kids get to dress up and go out multiple times for candy.
It’s nice for families with really young kids too, since the kids can’t walk far and they get to see a lot more decorations. Plus those giving out candy get really creative decorating their “trunk” area and often set up fun games for the kids.
I dunno, it’s been a pretty nice thing to have in my experience.
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u/Sufficient_Warning80 17d ago
You don’t see neighborhoods like this because this is AI
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u/Abject-Detective-894 17d ago
Aside from the crazy pumpkins and whatnot, this was what it was like. I truly feel for young kids today. They don’t get these fun experiences. I think millennials got a lot right (I’m one). But we killed Halloween for kids. It’s all trunk or treat and helicopter parenting. It’s not that I don’t understand the reasoning, but I don’t think it’s healthy.
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u/Material-Trip-9893 17d ago
All the points are valid but I have to say we just go into those neighborhoods for our kid to trick or treat and they are all still giving out candy.
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u/cheercharlatan 17d ago
Halloween is a blast in our town. Kids everywhere and for the most part the only people not giving out candy are not doing it because they’re taking their kids around trick or treating themselves.
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u/Piper-Bob 17d ago
The meme is ignoring the fact that the country is a lot older now. Part of the reason young people own a smaller share of homes is because young people are a smaller share of the population. When that photo was taken the average age was 28. Today it's 40.
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u/EfficientCan2852 17d ago
Yep. Gen z actually has a higher home ownership rate than millenials at the same ages. Also, not everyone wants a house. I do extremely well for myself but I have younger family members that make even more money but think that buying a home is a waste.
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u/DickWhittingtonsCat 17d ago
I wonder if there was sort of event, a Great Recession possibly, that influenced how Millennials approach home ownership and keeping the percent of income spent on a mortgage manageable.
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u/ImpressiveWalrus7369 17d ago
I’m a xennial that bought his first home during the great recession. Turned out to be a great time to buy.
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u/perestroika12 17d ago edited 17d ago
It also has political ramifications such as not being able to influence democracy because there’s just not enough votes. Gerontocracy just by the numbers. In the 60s they reshaped the political system, and now they’re doing it again.
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u/DickWhittingtonsCat 17d ago
Most Boomers could vote until 72 presidential election. In 1968, you’d have to have been born in 47 to vote.
The Silent Gen was the youth movement of the 60s. There is an actual Gen divide, silent gen raised post war and the couple years of boomers that were drafted or could be drafted for Nam that has nothing to do with TV raised 1970s Gen Jones et Al
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u/G0nk_512 17d ago
People aren't having kids in their 20s.
My neighborhood looks like that. Most parents had their kids in their early 30s and bought a place shortly before/after
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u/Professional-Goat741 17d ago
If we're not outside being approachable, can we really blame our neighbors for not coming outside too?
That's like non votes complaining about the voting results.
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u/Powerful_Image6294 17d ago
all of thjs is true but id also like to point out that the urbanist shift in late millennials/early gen Z is starting to gain popularity. when (if) i have kids i wont want to raise them in an area that strips them of their agency and makes them dependent on me and my car
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u/jkirkwood10 17d ago
Ok, so do the apartment complexes look like this? I thought the goal was more urban living anyway...
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u/JackfruitCrazy51 17d ago
My suburb in Iowa looks exactly like that during Halloween. Minus the developed trees, and the kids are usually on e scooters/bikes. All of America is not unaffordable. Our suburb is growing 5% per year, and home prices average $370k. The median age(33.9) is 6 years younger than the rest of the country.
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u/RoabeArt 17d ago
I live in a "streetcar suburb", mostly built in the 1920s, so the houses are tightly packed together. And the streets are absolutely bustling with kids every Halloween.
There are a few spots in the suburb that have modern cul-de-sac housing developments, and sure enough there are almost no trick or treaters on those streets.
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u/syntheticassault 17d ago
My neighborhood looks a lot like this, except with narrower streets. We have a dozen kids start all together at my house and head out through the neighborhood.
It doesn't matter if you own your house at 30, because most people aren't having kids until 30+. If you have your first kid at 30, they aren't trick-or-treating on their own until your late 30s.
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u/TheSleepyTruth 17d ago
You dont see neighborhoods like this because under 30s dont own homes... The other half of the equation is that under 30s arent having kids.
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u/Sharp_Style_8500 17d ago
Comedian Tim Dillion does a good segment about this. Old people hold onto their suburban homes because they are both their only investment and they now base their identity around them. Their fav pastime is telling people “ya know if I put this bad boy on the market I could get X and I only paid y” there also is a pretty large segment of retirees that go UP in house where they almost all used to downsize. I think this results in the aging of the suburbs and the housing market being so hard for young families to get into.
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u/ReadyGo6828 17d ago
I live in the burbs and there are tons of families with little kids. Halloween, except during Covid, has always been a crowd.
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u/Butt_bird 17d ago
Many people are postponing having kids until their 30s. I have a friend who is 42 and about to have his first child. Older neighborhoods zoned to poorly performing school generally have less kids. Those are the neighborhoods I choose to live in.
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u/ExtraEmuForYou 17d ago
My folks have been in the same house for 50 years, maybe longer. They bought it cheap and added to it as their family grew. The homes in the neighborhood are all $1+ million now (it's Northern California, suburb of SF Bay Area, so higher than average already). Great school district, great town...no young families in the neighborhood though.
My biggest fear is that when these people die--folks like my parents, their neighbors, etc--and no one is really buying the homes, are companies and not people going to snatch them up? And are they going to essentially own entire neighborhoods in a decade or two, plow these awesome houses down, and build up some crap?
I'm all for developing and I am not nostalgic at all, but I also don't want to see these great neighborhoods handed over to corporate interests that live on the other side of the country.
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u/Hon3y_Badger 16d ago
Neighborhoods go through phases. When we bought our home the children in the neighborhood were young. Los of trick or treaters in the neighborhood. A lot of those kids have graduated and in college and there are few trick or treaters. The neighborhood is now a lot of 50+ year olds. Eventually those neighbors will move and the cycle will start with young families.
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u/Due-Leek-8307 14d ago
And people drive 40+ through these type of 25 mph residential areas while looking at their phone, or the tablet that runs their car.
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u/Gullible-Damage8229 13d ago
And the more old people that die or sell are having their homes bought up for damn ABnB rentals. This is one of the main reasons these younger families cannot afford housing!
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u/ikickbabiesballs 13d ago
It’s fuckin depressing. Neighborhoods used to be full of kids. Just wastelands now.
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u/DemetiaDonals 13d ago
All my neighbors in my nice suburban neighborhood are old. There are no kids for my children to play with.
Im an RN and make pretty good money. We own a very modest home. We are barley keeping our heads above water. We were only able to afford our home because we were able to sell our shitty condo in a bad neighborhood during covid for twice what we bought it for.
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u/the_green_monster 17d ago
Our street is full of young kids. Most parents are mid to late thirties and they make a lot of money. Two housed on our block just turned over to people with young kids and they were 1.75 m +. We paid 750K 16 years ago.
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u/waavysnake 17d ago
Im the only one with kids on my block. All of my neighbors have adult children living with them or they're empty nesters. I consider myself lucky but my kids wont have any neighborhood friends to play with
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u/RobertKSakamano 17d ago
If someone parked on the street like that today, Karen across the street would slash the tires.
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u/ArtDecoNewYork 17d ago
That's actually not the reason.
There are loads of young people in ny neighborhood but American culture has changed considerably over the last few decades.
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u/TailleventCH 17d ago
"Younger families are renting apartments & priced out of the communities."
So there is no community in an apartment building (or an apartment street)?
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u/SCREAMIN_DEM0N 17d ago
I'm the only person under 30 in my neighborhood, I found out that several other of the houses are owned by some of the boomers/Gen x and that they are actually renting the houses, at least three owned by one couple. The house next to me has sat unoccupied for 3 years it's just owned and maintained by some old guy. It's pretty interesting. Looking forward to that 1.3 trillion wealth transfer on the horizon tho...
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u/something_co 17d ago
My neighborhood is full of young families but you don’t see the kids playing. New build
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u/thekidfromiowa 17d ago
Even in the neighborhoods where all the Gen Z and Alpha kids live, it looks like a ghost town, aside from the occasional gang of e-bike riders.
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u/obscurefault 17d ago
Going to older areas close to schools on Halloween is basically a ghost town... The people who live there are old and their kids are also old...
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u/CrypticPhage 17d ago
They are showing a picture of of children during Halloween day of course they will be people outside on a holiday but what about the other 364 days lmfao this post is so funny 😹
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u/One_Violinist_8539 17d ago
Bought my first house 3 months ago and I’m 29. Feel SO lucky to have been able to do it before 30! (My husband is 32)
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u/squirrel9000 17d ago
The expectation has always been that people buy a house, raise kids, then continue to live in them as empty nesters. It's the same reason schools always go through a phase of being overcrowded, there's a short term spike in school age kids about a decade after a given area is built (for obvious reasons) but it pulls back later as those kids grow up. Over time there is some turnover, but that doesn't hit until the original owners die off, 60+ years later.
If you go to new subdivisions there are plenty of kids, the dynamic is still very much in play. Fewer than int he past (1-2 per house rather than 3-4) , and they tend to stay inside more, but they're there.
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u/OchoZeroCinco 17d ago
Its crazy, where i live the families of apartment renters drive into the neighborhoods of houses on halloween for their kids to trick or treat the "traditional way".
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u/Lordofthereef 17d ago
I love where I live in central MA. I grew up in SoCal in the 90s and even then never really saw this. Our streets are packed full of kids trick or treating here. We take a wagon with a cooler and drinks (beers for the adults lol), a Bluetooth speaker and play music the whole night. Wagon is a nice dump spot for al the candy kids get too.
Our backyard is free roam for all the neighbor kids (between our home and the adjacent neighbors there's seven kids). They've got slides, swings, trees to climb, and about an acre of grass to kick balls, run and play. Fruit trees finally starting to set fruit too.
Might sound like I'm bragging. Maybe I am a little. In reality, I'm just really happy. Just turned 41 though, so I'm definitely creeping closer towards the average homeowner age every year. I grew up in an apartment with a helicopter parent. Trying my damndest to not be that.
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u/DizzyAd5038 17d ago
People who are typically buying houses aren't having kids old enough to trick or treat unaccompanied by the time they're 30
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u/Exciting_Turn_1253 17d ago
Actually this is true lol NPR did a piece on this yesterday. About how even grandparents are upsizing their home instead of downsizing it
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u/MrIncredible222 17d ago
My street and the streets around us are just like that. Neighborhood is expensive, but still, not THAT expensive.
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u/No-Koala1918 17d ago
I moved into a neighborhood in Burbank CA and when I meet my next door neighbors they're said "You'll want to start an escrow account for Halloween candy. We get hundred of kids every year." And it was true. That street looks relatively empty compared to ours.
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u/NoMansSkyWasAlright 17d ago
My hometown has been a popular tourist destination basically since the 1860s and now it’s become a popular community for second homes and people who commute to a nearby major city.
The average age of a resident here is now 49 and the public school system is slowly collapsing due to a small yet still-declining student-body. When I was a kid in the 90s, the part of town I lived in had separate elementary schools for pre-K through 2nd grade, and 3rd to 5th grade. Both are gone now..
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u/okepokemon 17d ago
Booms have done irreparable damage, that world no longer exists. Wait til resources truly start becoming scarce, then the real fun will begin!
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u/KNdoxie 17d ago
That picture is very similar to a small town in my county of York,Pennsylvania,USA. Biggest difference is that Halloween is huge in this area, so there's many many more people on the streets to trick or treat. That small town's median age is 43, with 42% of the population between the ages of 18 and 54. 67% of the population are homeowners.
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u/jodebane 17d ago
It’s also because of overprotective parents who think the kiddos will be snatched if they’re out on the street unsupervised. The less paranoid parents also don’t want to give their kiddos freedom bc they’re worried about busybodies calling CPS
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u/Unique-Run9856 17d ago
My neighborhood gets way more trick or treaters than that, there are 130 homes filled with working class families, andyoung families and kids, probably 500 kids come through on halloween. If you can't afford to live in an area your career is not right or you're living beyond your means and need to move elsewhere.
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u/Salt_Cash706 17d ago
Nah, the suburban houses are just multigenerational now. Grandparents own the house while adult children and their grandkids live there. Multiple houses on my street like this in an upper middle class neighborhood. Is normal for most of the world.
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u/TheThinDewLine 17d ago
Houses arent for families, its for old people to do nothing in except hoard wealth. Wholesome!
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u/TwOMpWomp 17d ago
35 homeowner. 1 kid.
My neighborhood is pretty lit on Halloween. Its alot of fun
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u/ridetotheride 17d ago
This happens in my neighborhood every year. Except there’s far more kids and we are in Los Angeles.
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u/Professional_Sun_317 16d ago
Also, kids trick or treat at malls and in parking lots where they go from car to car nowadays.
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u/Last_Boysenberry7972 16d ago
I have a good job, and had a bunch of money saved to put on a mortgage. My mortgage is still cheaper than rent (~$1500/mo), but property taxes are going to push me right out of this area pretty soon. The problem is rich people keep moving into the area, voting to exceed tax levies to fund schools because the state won't, and that's fine for them, they can afford it. I have no kids yet I am getting asked to shoulder the tax burden of all that. Then you have wheel tax in Dane County (Madison, WI) even though I don't have access to the bus system in my town and whatever the f else they want to piss away money on. I got thrown out of a village meeting for complaining about it too much. And for that tax money we get police that are totally useless too, roads that turn to shit in a year and are under constant construction...
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u/MakalakaPeaka 16d ago
First of all, that’s Halloween, and you absolutely do still see neighborhoods looking very much like that on Halloween. Secondly the real reason you don’t see groups of roaming kids anymore is because our society has changed into kid-shuttling hell, and parents too freaked out to send their kids outside by themselves.
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u/datlankydude 16d ago
No, in today's world every square inch of curb space would be used by parked cars, even on halloween.
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u/Out_of_ughs 16d ago
Continue to believe regular people with slightly higher regular incomes are the reason we are having financial problems. Two words: private equity
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u/ImplementBig5926 16d ago
House my mom bought for twice her annual income 20 years ago is now worth 3/4 of million and it's not even in particularly nice area tbh
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u/Express-Shoulder6174 16d ago
We bought our home in a new sub division in 2020. It’s mostly families with young kids including us.
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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 16d ago
If most younger home owners are in their 20s and older homeowners are in their 80s then having the average in the 50s makes sense.
Did people stop doing basic math at some point?
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u/Interesting-Quit-847 16d ago
Just update the cars and this could be my street, except my street is real and this one is AI.
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u/EpicShkhara 16d ago
Imagine how cool it could be to try to replicate that by building more duplexes, fourplexes, and townhomes like missing middle housing so normal people can have yards and their own front doors and be able to decorate for Halloween and such
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u/Professional-Gear974 16d ago
Maybe just live in a better neighborhood. More than half of my neighbors have kids.
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u/oldpaddyrick 16d ago
Yep, live in the burbs. It’s mainly old ass shut ins I barely ever see/interact with.
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u/jazxxl 16d ago
It could also be because they don't let their kids go outside anymore and they trick or treat at the mall or at thee local business district. People are more afraid of their fellow citizens than they've ever been in the safest times. Not saying that the other point isn't true but it's not the only factor.
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u/gotesintotes 16d ago
my mother is 70, my
uncle 68. both of them have said they can’t POSSIBLY afford their mortgage anymore but “can’t see themselves living in an apartment.”
bitch neither can i but your hoard needs somewhere to live so fuck me and my entire generation i guess. p.s. they seem to be affording their mortgage and cruises just fine so far.
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u/Elegant-Ninja6384 15d ago
Can you not even be patient enough to wait for them to die before you go after their homes? Geesh so much boomer hate because they have the audacity to not give you their house.
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u/Electronic_Law_1288 15d ago
Kids not tricking and treating like years ago and lack of Halloween and Christmas decorations are the most depressing things about modern society. It seems ppl decided to move to nice houses in the suburb to die quietly instead of enjoying life a bit
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u/triple-dog-dar3 15d ago
Have you gone to any new build neighborhood? They’re almost all families with young children. I think I’m the only house on the block without kids.
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u/DisasterousWalrus 15d ago
It comes in waves.. our neighborhood cycled its kids out through school and even the daily school bus disappeared for upwards of 7 years… people moved, now there are a lot of kids again.
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u/threearbitrarywords 15d ago
How dare you continue to live in the house you raised your kids in! Go live somewhere else you inconsiderate swine!
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u/TheActuaryist 15d ago
So tired of unsourced claims that just make up numbers. I agree with the sentiment but no clue if this is remotely true.
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u/ippleing 15d ago
As a homeowner for 20 years, I feel bad for my younger coworkers, I want the market to crash so they might be able to purchase a home.
I never expected to make money selling my home, nor do I care if I ever do. I bought it to start a family, not keep as a financial vehicle.
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u/rbalduf1818 14d ago
This is what every neighborhood I have ever visited on Halloween looks like, including mine.
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u/jmadinya 14d ago
low density sfh developments were always unsustainable, we're just now seeing this play out
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u/WolfgangVL 14d ago
Nice neighborhoods look like this during Halloween.
My neighborhood had cop cars at dusk and screaming tweakers all night.
I ate all the candy.
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u/Gullible-Willow-4434 14d ago
Lol, how are young people supposed to reproduce with no privacy to do the deed because they're all living with room mates or parents?
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u/GoatRadiant7285 14d ago
This picture, AI or not is supposed to be on Halloween. My neighborhood definitely looks like that on Halloween. Swarms of kids going door to door, mine included!
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u/X-calibreX 13d ago
The most obvious conclusion to young people not owning homes is that they do not want to. Most of the need is gone. People get married later, they have kids later, the young prefer city living.
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u/Tex-Rob 13d ago
The titles also makes for weird situations where you either get almost no kids, or the caravan picks your neighborhood this year and you get hundreds of kids. Last year a whole ton of cars showed up and crawled our neighborhood. I'm fine with it, it's for the kids, but it is hard to plan for.
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u/NeedsDaddys 13d ago
Yeah we all used to stand in groups in the middle of the road like idiots for sure!!! Simpler times.
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u/F430911GT3 13d ago
So true despite the dumb AI photo. So many people renting and moving in and out of places every 2-3 years because of it as well. Neighborhoods and communities don’t have the same stability they once had where kids grew up on the same street for 15 years. Sad
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u/SqueaksScreech 13d ago
In my town only neighborhoods near the school, newer neighborhood and churches (churches take turns hosting trunk n treat because theyre neighborhoods are better lit due to high traffic being near by) get high foot traffic due to lighting. My town has a huge highway running through it so people have to unfortunately head to the better lit neighbor instead of the back road neighborhoods.
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u/TaskAggravating3224 11d ago
Not sure who I blame more, Christians or that one guy that decided to put poison in a kids candy in the 80s.
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u/Comprehensive_Tea708 6d ago
Another huge factor over the years has been the nearly total disappearance of unsupervised children from public spaces.
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u/redditerir 17d ago
Point stands but the photo is AI slop.