she was genuinely super annoying at the beginning of the show and she had her really dumb pushy moments but she really had a big heart like she reminds me of my mom :( she could’ve been so much more than her husband

I know for a fact that Travis was absolutely horrified and moved by what happened to Bay to the point it made him confess to her about his own sexual abuse as a child and he actually says RAPE in the show, and calls Tank a rapist...

However, something I had noticed while watching all of S4 and S5 is that Bay seemed so indifferent towards Tank and I'm not quite sure why. I really don't want to sound misogynst (?), but wouldn't an actual victim of rape be absolutely horrified, disgusted or even scared of being so close to their rapist?

Bay talks to him, privately, publicly etc, but she never shows signs of any kind of disgust or fear towards Tank and I don't know why. I guess every woman is different, but I want to be educated or told from a different POV on why Bay seemed the most casual around Tank, whereas everybody around her treated him like an actual rapist, but she just sees Tank. That's how it felt like to me anyway when I watched the episodes.

It just really felt like everybody saw Tank for what he did, other than Bay, and it is just really confusing for me as someone who really loves Bay and hated what happened to her, but why can't she treat Tank like everybody else did too after the SA storyline? You'd think that Travis was Tank's victim, not Bay, by how he reacts and treats Tank. Bay just seems indifferent when being around him and it's odd.

Is it because the rape wasn't violent? Is that why she acts how she does?

Again, I am not trying to be offensive as I'm posting this to get some insight from someone else who can help me see it from another view or be educated more about Bay's behaviour towards Tank.

This is completely unimportant, but it's a funny little connection I noticed.

The actor who plays Tank in Season 3, Max Adler, was also in Glee (a very famous TV show, we all know it), where he played Dave. His character was a bully who repeatedly targeted Kurt, only for it to eventually be revealed that Dave was gay himself and struggling with his feelings towards Kurt. A lot of his bullying came from being closeted and not knowing how to deal with his sexuality.

What's interesting is that when Max Adler appeared in Switched at Birth, the show was doing a very similar storyline with completely different characters. Matthew was bullying Emmett while secretly having feelings for him, and his own struggles with being gay and closeted played a major part in why he targeted him.

Then, in one scene in S3 E18, Tank actually says to Bay, "I guess this is how it feels when gay kids come out." after telling his father that he depledged from his frat.

I just found that line particularly amusing considering Max Adler had previously played the closeted gay bully in an incredibly similar storyline on Glee. Obviously it's probably just a coincidence, but knowing his previous role makes the line hit different.

now, i know that daphne is often talked about in this sub, but i just had to point something out that she said that infuriates me because of how hypocritical it was.

in season two, (spoiler if you haven’t watched) bay is chastised by daphne for “speaking for deaf people” to that reporter regarding the closing of carlton and the stand that the students took protesting it.

up to this point, daphne has overall not been a great friend or “sister person” to bay for a little while, and it seems as though everything has built up in bay and flooded over causing her to feel extremely hurt by daphne in this moment, especially due to how harsh daphne was when telling bay how wrong she was.

bay expressed her feelings on how daphne had been treating her, and daphne’s response was, “don’t you get tired of always acting like you’re a victim?” or something to that extent. i get it, maybe bay did in fact speak outside of her own territory, but what daphne seems to keep forgetting is how NEW all of this is to bay. to her, she genuinely was simply answering a reporter after she took a stand with the deaf students despite the majority of them making it known the hearing kids weren’t welcome there by the deaf students.

if daphne wanted to convey how it was offensive, then she should have approached it with a lot more compassion. and she absolutely should NOT have accused bay of choosing to always be a “victim.”

i find it very hypocritical of her too because she has done that MANY times up to this point and continues to do so. i.e. the way she ostracized regina for angelo’s death. she herself continuously acts like a victim nearly anytime bay and regina make more of an effort to grow their relationship, yet her and kathryn are incredibly close??

like, she is SUCH a hypocrite, but this particular moment made me very angry and made me feel so bad for bay

Every season she irritates me more and more. I’m on season 3 episode 18 and Daphne being pissed at Regina for an aneurysm is so freaking annoying. For someone wanting to be in premed, I feel like she definitely should’ve understood that those could happen at any time in any point in someone’s life. Daphne will be upset with herself, but take that out on everybody else and make them feel like garbage.

I’m on season 3 episode 18

Daphne being more angry than Bay about Angelo’s death is frustrating to me. She barely started to tolerate Angelo and only had one bonding moment with him but wants to pretend as if he was her father. Their relationship barely had any build up to have her come off as a grieving daughter. She even got high as a way to cope with losing him then she basically told Regina she can’t do anything about it. She’s off the handles grieving over a man she was convinced left because she was deaf and spent 13 years hating him for it. The dream she had of Angelo where she said she’s lucky because she has two dads walking her down the aisle was just ridiculous. She’s just repeating the same behavior of trying to have Regina and Angelo to herself then getting jealous of Bay whenever they’re bonding. I wanted bay to slap Daphne everytime she said she did not want to share Regina with bay.

Tank is a whole different story. Him closing the door at bay’s face was just a jerk move when she dropped off the casserole to the apartment. I wanted Toby to see what happened and kick him out. He chose to leave his fraternity, he needs to stop putting that on Bay. He keeps trying to come off as this heroic nice guy but him letting a fraternity treat women like trash and making excuses for them is not a nice guy. He even said he lost all of his friends (who were a part of that fraternity) that just shows he never felt bad about how they treat women and behave in general. He was always going to be a part of that toxic behavior. He wanted to pretend to not be that guy so he can stay with Bay. That was his choice, he left so he can be with her and pretend to be someone else in order to keep his relationship with Bay. I’m so glad their relationship ended because I feel like if they got married it would’ve been a DV relationship. Don’t even get me started on him trying to force her to have sex with him and guilt tripping her by saying she has no reason to not have sex with him when he didn’t do anything wrong instead of understanding she doesn’t want to have sex with him and that’s it. He’s such a creep always going to her house to “apologize.” Tank is just an insecure creepy guy. The only thing I felt bad for him on was getting cheated on and lied to. But everything about him just pisses me off. Toby should’ve just let that weirdo figure it out. I know if he knew what happened when he tried to force her into having sex he never would’ve let him live in his apartment.

I’m doing a rewatch of this show after many years and apparently I stopped watching during Season 3 and kinda glad I did lol. I haven’t started Season 5 yet but between the sexual assault, autism awareness and cultural appropriation this show becomes very “ After school special” in a way where they’re just addressing so much teen angst which is ok I guess but feels like we lost the original plot lol.

Also I don’t remember Angelo dying but Daphne has really taken a turn for the worst with all her bad decisions. You would think Bay would be the spoiled child who goes against her parents but no it’s Daphne which is odd. She is also just a horrible judge of character, any boy that shows any sort of nice gesture to her she loses her discernment lol.

I’m on my first rewatch in like 10 years, I’m currently at the start of season 2 and Angelo seems like the most real person? If I took a DNA test and the baby I thought was mine wasn’t, I would leave to? And when he found out Daphne was dating Chef Jeff, he went straight over to that pedo and punched him. I can’t believe everyone in this family hates him lmao

Not A.J. and emo Toby from the alternate reality, but if A.J. existed in the main reality where things basically played out similarly except Angelo and Regina split up later on.

Maybe Daphne and A.J. had a strained relationship with him for ditching their mom even though he wanted a relationship with them and hence the bad word of mouth of him to the Kennishes.

How would A.J.'s precence have affected the dynamic between the families and would A.J. have formed a brotherly relationship with Toby despite not being related (as Bay and Daphne did)?

Hi all, I just rewatched the show and finished up the last season. I swear back when I watched this years ago, I remember Kathryn took Toby's baby to get baptized without Toby or Lily. They were mad that she did it without asking. But when I rewatched the show, all that happened was Kathryn met with a reverend and brought Lily to try and convince her to let her son get baptized( episode 7 of season 5). Does anyone else remember this back when they first watched the show?

I’m only on season one and I’m already so frustrated with Daphne’s behavior, she is literally insufferable. On top of that, I have seen spoilers on TikTok of her being WORSE in later seasons (I’m not someone who cares about spoilers) and I find it wild that she does the most crazy shit and always gets away with it, Daphne is literally what they try so hard to make Bay out to be and I can’t stand it. Is it worth pushing through to the end, or should I drop it? ):

I mean they made it seem like Bay was this troubled teenager because she never quite fit in with her family. But the worst thing she ever did was street art. Yet, John (ugh) and even Katherine and Regina made it seem she was breaking multiple laws all the time. Then you got Daphne who committed multiple felonies but she still walked on water for practically everyone. The only one who started seeing through her and supported Bay was Toby.

Bay will forever be in my top 3 faves, and Daphne will forever be top 3 despicable characters.

I watch this series every year and every year, the whole Tank and Bay "rape" drama is absolutely infuriating to me. They were both drunk and yea, he maybe took advantage of it but that doesnt mean he raped her. As someone who has been abused and has also done horrible things when drunk, I really think Bay unknowingly took the victim route so she could get out of it. She cheated, yea huge mistake she made but she did. Tank's life got essentially ruined. Had he been sober and she drunk, and had sex with her then yes, That is absolutely not ok. Thats the problem with alcohol- it eventually betrays you but You gotta live with the consequences wether you like it or not. I can't be the only one who thinks this way?

*SPOILER ALERTS*

There are a lot of things that I really don't understand about this series. 

Primarily, everybody is upset because Angelo left Regina and Daphne. 

He's Italian she's Puerto Rican and she comes home from the hospital with a red-haired White girl? There are only two possible explanations, she came home with the wrong kid or she cheated on Angelo. Apparently Regina did nothing to pursue the possible mix up and just tried to tell Angelo that was his kid. And when the blood test proves that Daphne is not her kid she doubles down and wants to keep the baby anyway?

And Angelo's the bad guy for leaving?

Emmett chose to tag that building, unless we honest he was doing it to try to get into Bay's pants. 

He got caught and somehow it's Bay's fault that he got caught? 

And M elody is the b**** because she made him sell his motorcycle to pay a fine for a crime that he committed? 

And now Emmett blames Bay for the loss of his motorcycle?

It’s my first time ever finishing this show and I just felt so exhausted with everyone after halfway through s3 up to S5. Especially Bay, Daphne, John, & Katherine. Sharee was actually someone who I related to a lot in the scenes where we saw her POV and when she introduced into the USMC school scenes. I was also hoping to see more of who she is as a person and like how her family was doing visually not just telling us “she’s doing _____” (forgot the word she says but you get what I mean). And then Travis too, he’s been in the show for a while, and yes he’s gotten much screentime but only as someone to fuel the other characters stories. And now in S4 and S5 with the bottom of the barrel storytelling, we’ve gotten bits and pieces of his one note character, and wished we had gotten the story with his mom much earlier. But I did really feel emotional when they hugged after she signed “I believe you”. What is everyone’s thoughts on these two and the whole cast in general.

Honestly this show was unrealistic in so many ways but the biggest way was how every man that came into their lives (bay, Regina, and Daphne) was a romantic interest for some or ALL of them. I just hated that we couldn’t have normal everyday relationships. It happened with all the characters at a point but mainly the core 3 here and I find it made the show really uncomfortable at some points.

I understand daphne interpreting because shes oral but the amount of times they treated her like she could hear because she lip reads was so?? why was she so much better at lip reading than everyone else? lol

I think Iris from Switched at Birth* *had a hard time fitting in when she started college, so once she found something she could make about herself, she really ran with it. Yes, Mingo crossed a line with the lingo he did for lil wayne, but I genuinely don’t think he meant to be racist or offend anyone. And the cotton balls being thrown on the front of campus was CRAZY and the person was held accountable. I also feel like Iris wanted to find something that made her feel seen, and then the other Black students wanted attention and recognition too. But a hunger strike?? 😭 If they don’t want to eat, that’s their choice, but eventually they’re either going to have to eat or keep going until something serious happens. And honestly, some of the demands during the strike were crazy to me too. Wanting professors to be hired because they’re Black, or wanting white professors fired because they’re white, doesn’t make sense to me. Someone should be hired based on whether they’re qualified, not their race. Same with demanding special treatment or extra money because of your skin color. At some point, it felt less like they were trying to solve the actual problem and more like they wanted attention and special treatment.

I love this show!! Its super cheesy, but something about it got me. I almost want to start it over, knowing the outcome. I wish sooo badly there was a spin off. Would love to see what happens to everyone 10+ years later!!

Does anyone know why Teo was only in one episode? Season 2 episode 2. I’m just curious if it had to do with the actor at all or character itself lol

*Cue ominous ice cream truck, helicopter, and car horn blaring*

I am watching the prom episode in season 3, and the whole time the teacher is berating Bay and the gang about not wearing dresses he uses the phrase "Maybe they don't want to see girls look like freaks". The whole time im sitting here thinking "Where the heck is principal rose?? She would NOT let him speak to them like that."

I cannot stand them. Like, I know they want what's best for Daphne, but why do they treat Regina so poorly? I understand they live an extremely privileged life, but its like they want both of the daughters all to themselves and Regina completely out of the picture. And Bay is just as insufferable to me like why does she treat Daphne so poorly?

I want to like the show. I like Daphne and Emmett and even Regina so far but I just cannot stand the Kennishes.