r/TedLasso • u/RosetteNewcomb • 7h ago
Season 3 Discussion Am I wrong to think [REDACTED] doesn't deserve good things? Spoiler
It's my first time watching and I'm currently halfway through season 3. I have to just say that the Nate storyline is starting to get to me. Nate was a kit man at Richmond and would have stayed that way if Ted didn't elevate him to assistant coach. He returned that act of kindness by turning on him, snitching to Trent Crimm about Ted having panic attacks, tearing the "BELIEVE" sign in half, betraying Rebecca by going to work for Rupert, and dragging Ted publicly at his inaugural press conference. Now the writers want us to root for him and Jade? I don't want Nate to have a love life. I want him to get humbled, remain friendless and alone, and to suffer at least a tiny bit for turning on the people who supported him. I'm fully hoping that the writers will either wreck Nate or make me root for him by the end but I just had to rant.
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u/Tsquared10 7h ago
Just search the sub for Nate. Pretty sure it's almost a daily thread about hating him and not thinking he deserves anything good to happen to him. I don't agree, but to each their own.
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u/frodakai 7h ago
This conversation has been had 1000x on this sub.
If you dont get why Nate deserves second chance, I'm not sure you've been paying attention to the whole show.
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u/Tsquared10 6h ago
He also said he's only halfway through season 3. So he hasn't gotten to any of the better Nate episodes
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u/Precarious3145 4h ago
Yea. luckily I don't give a fuck about what people think because I think Nate's arc (while slightly rushed at the end) is beautiful and represents what makes the series great.
The reality is that Nate is the most realistic person in the series and we're more like him than we are Ted. At one point in our lives, we were assholes to someone we cared about for one reason or another and maybe we left things on a sour note and regretted it or we owned up to the mistakes. Nate took accountability, like Rebecca did.
If we ended the series with season 1, people would be furious about Rebecca's redemption arc the same way that if we got a season 4 contiuation of the guys league, Nate's story would be more beloved.
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u/Short_Desk_1273 7h ago
Yeah Nate's a dick but there will be a point where you change your mind, I reckon.
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u/Baseball_Germany 7h ago
Kinda hard to say before you’ve seen the conclusion of that arc. Watch how it goes and then you can decide if you agree with the show’s message about it or not.
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u/Mick_Tee 6h ago
I have worked alongside people like Nate, and they are my least favourite people.
It is obvious the writers also know people like this, as Nate is a perfect example - Horrible person with a chip on his shoulder who bring others down to feel better about himself and can't own up to mistakes.
Basically and Anti-Ted.The new "redeemed" Nathan is probably content that he finally has obtained what is rightfully his, but still hasn't apologised to Ted or anyone he hurt because it was always their fault, and even if it wasn't, they still deserved it.
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u/Baseball_Germany 2h ago
Are you saying this as someone who has seen the ending or no?
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u/Mick_Tee 1h ago
I am saying that as someone who saw the ending some time ago and remember being completely dissatisfied with the idea of him being "redeemed", but not remembering the specific reasons why.
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u/Baseball_Germany 1h ago
Okay. Gotcha.
1) he did apologize to Ted. He wrote a 6 page apology and tried to deliver it to Ted while practically crying and Ted told him he didn’t need to hear it, he knows and it’s okay. He didn’t want an apology.
2) The show was going for the idea that he felt disconnected from his dad so he leaned on other people to fill that father figure role in his life. He started with Ted and began feeling insecure when he felt like Ted prioritized him less. In that insecurity, he started getting manipulated by Rupert as well. He always felt guilty about what he did, he just kept a brave face in public because he wanted to please Rupert. Then he realized Rupert is a PoS and he only has his guilt and no job anymore. The only thing he always wanted, he gave it all away because he realized Rupert was a terrible person. It’s then that his actual dad and him have their moment, alleviating that hole in Nate and beginning the path to healing. At the end of the day, all the Richmond players and coach lasso wanted Nate back because they understood he did what he did at his lowest point and knew he was a good person deep down and probably felt bad. They’re the ones he hurt, so if they forgive him that’s all that rly matters. And he completes his arc by being assistant to the kitman, a job lower than the one he had in the beginning.
That’s the show’s intention. For me, I didn’t much care for it. It felt rushed and a bit unsatisfying. But I don’t hate Nate. Really, it’s up to you to decide if you want to forgive Nate, but the message of the show is that you should.
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u/Mick_Tee 42m ago
Ah yes, I do remember now. And I do agree that his redemption felt a bit rushed and unsatisfying, which I think is one of the few flaws in the show.
But then again, maybe all the wasted energy I put into having to deal with Nate type people in the past made me not trust his claims of redemption.
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u/HoraceRadish 7h ago
I think when Nate saves all those orphans from the fire you start to change your mind.
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u/TheyMightBeComments 7h ago
We just gonna ignore that he started the orphan fire to begin with?
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u/HoraceRadish 6h ago
You have to be curious as to why he started the fire, not just judgemental that he made a firebox with a face to burn down an orphanage.
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u/Character-Toe-2137 6h ago
So, here's the question - why does Jamie get to redeem himself and grow as a person, but Nate does not?
Both are dealing with the same issue - the expectations of their father. Expressed differently, but still crippling to their sense of self worth and impacting their decisions.
Does the fact that Jamie's father is a truly ugly person make a difference in how we judge the two? Should it? There's more to this, but, spoilers.
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u/Disastrous-Elk-3378 5h ago
Nate's arc is one of how insecurity can absolutely destroy your life and actually turn yourself into a worse person than the imagined one you spend your time hating. It's hard to watch everything Nate does, especially to someone as kind as Ted, but I think people who find Nate completely unforgivable are likely those who have not reflected on their own behaviors.
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u/Big_Bookkeeper1678 7h ago
Keep watching. Beard of all people, will set you straight in the final episodes.
There is a fantastic scene coming to you that will explain why Beard is right in finally forgiving Nate.
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u/totaltvaddict2 6h ago
At this point in time, your feelings are understandable. Not sure if you picked up on it, but Nate didn’t completely fall on his own. I mean, a lot of it is him and his own insecurities. But Rupert whispered in his ear at the funeral, and the writers purposefully made it a Palpatine/Vader connection.
I bring this up because as much as Ted helped him see more of himself, and Rupert fed his insecurities, Rebecca tried to help him gain confidence (he took the wrong lesson there, but…), and the inability to satisfy his father, Jade plays her own role in Nate’s development.
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u/Here_there1980 2h ago
He does end up suffering and being humbled, which is a good thing. Stay tuned, as we used to say back in the day.
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u/Leendaloo 6h ago
He was bullied by the team and emotionally neglected by his father. He has terrible self-esteem and does some really sh*tty things because of it. I think if you can't see yourself in Nate in some way, that's maybe something worth looking at. I think most people have a bit of Nate in them, to varying degrees, and generally speaking, we all deserve love and opportunities to make amends. Isn't the self-hatred suffering enough?
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u/JustLikeMars 1h ago
Ted put him down a bit too. “We need a real big dog to talk to Isaac.” Ted didn’t mean to be cruel but for someone in Nate’s position (insecure, idolizes Ted) it must’ve hit pretty hard.
OP, as for betraying Rebecca - for most of Nate’s time with the club Rupert and Rebecca both are probably just these rich shitheads as far as he’s concerned. Then both Rebecca and Rupert come to notice him. In terms of West Ham, from Nate’s perspective, Rupert is awesome at first. But Nate doesn’t hesitate to drop it all for the sake of his relationship with Jade. Nate’s a good guy who loses his way for a bit.
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u/TechnicalAccountant2 6h ago
The most unrealistic part is him getting with Jade, would never happen in reality
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u/bv310 Just here to read Zava's book on Trent Crimm 7h ago
"I hope that either all of us or none of us are judged by the actions of our weakest moment. But rather by the strength we show when and if we’re ever given a second chance"