All the triumph announcements of new models happened to be new paint jobs. Only three new bikes were announced out of all total unveils. ( thruxton/tracker 400 , trident 800) Quite underwhelming tbh considering the hype they created.
Idk, the new Tiger Sport and Trident 660s were worth the announcement, getting the Daytona motor is actually a pretty worthwhile improvement. Also the new street triples are an actual upgrade.
Well i didn't follow much on the tiger sport. I know about the trident performance upgrades. Though i kept tab on all the new release. The way Triumph hyped it, according to that it felt quite underwhelming. I were expecting a lot many unique elements. Not undermining the mechanical upgrade some bikes received. Just the way they pushed it, it didn't felt like that upon announcement IMO.
Yeah, it got a mild electronics update and a new engine. Mechanically a huge upgrade but it wasn't a crazy overhaul or anything. The daytona however is very disappointing, basically all it got it slightly nicer forks, a new dash, some new paint, and some slightly nicer tires.
What a fail by Triumph, couldn't even give us preload on the front forks just rebound and compression dampening. How much you want to bet we had a semi adjustable rear shock next year just to keep you updating your bike.
I wonder why we sell 10 R7s for every 1 Daytona 660 we sell. The Daytona 660 doesn't have to be at the same level as the old 675 is it too much to ask for decent suspension and a weight loss program. It's stuck in the same sport bike purgatory as the CBR 650 it's either not aggressive enough or not comfortable enough for most buyers.
If they want something aggressive they get an R7 that looks the part, has fully adjustable suspension, real clip-ons and is ready for track days day one.
If they want something comfortable they'll buy a Ninja 650 have all the comfort reliability that ever want and save a couple grand. The Ninja 650 also out sells the Daytona 660
at about a 10 to 1 ratio.
I also don't think there's anything wrong with the engine they're putting in the new Daytona the problem is everything else.
Triumph seems to be making the same mistake with not making a competitor to the Tenere 700. I would love Triumph to make a tiger 660 rally Pro but all I get is a $18,000 tiger 900 RP.
We sold a handful of tiger 900 rally Pro so far this year but we're just about through our first 100 Tenere700s for the year and we're going to order more.
It's like they see what's successful and decide to do the opposite.
The R7 was designed to essentially be a sv650 track bike you can buy and not have to build. A track prepped sv650 has always been considered one of the best track bikes ever the problem was building one sucked so everybody wanted to be able to just buy one now you can. It's not the bike you buy when you want a super sport it's the bike you buy to learn how to ride a super sport.
Another way to look at is the R7 fills the void left by The disappearance of the 400cc 4 cylinder bikes that were so much fun around the track, they had around 65 to 75 horsepower, the same ergonomics as their larger counterparts and just slightly downspec suspension and brakes.
As far as the name being blasphemous I'm guessing well over 90% of people buying an R7 have no idea what an OWO2 even is. Because it was a super expensive homologation special it wasn't like you could find one at your local Yamaha shop.
So I have no problem with the name as the YZF, CBR, GSXR, and Ninja names all had smaller displacement variants from almost the beginning.
You should let Ducati know that sport bites have to be four cylinders. It's not like they won multiple world championships using higher torque less horsepower twins.
And I meant the GSX8r which is a twin there's also the CBR 250 cbr300 and CBR500 which are not 4 cylinders, time goes with the ninja lineup lots of twins there. There's nothing about sport bikes that say they have to have a four-cylinder engine.
What was so amazing before? Why does it matter if it's a reskinned mt07? Mt 07 is a great bike I thought? Make it make sense cause I'm not seeing the connection. Frankly I find the Daytona 660 only disappointing because there is nothing new so should've just left it at the previous years model. No need to say all new.
i know this is random but how do you feel about the trident 660? I have a 2022 and was considering updating for 2025 with its updated forks, cc, and quickshifter but now 2026 is even better. Are either of them worth upgrading for
Just get the 800. Upgrade for horsepower is nice, but electrics and refinements are never worth eating depreciating costs on what is essentially still the same bike. If you're barely paying more after selling, go for it.
why are you so concerned with how many Triumphs are sold? You on commission? Since when does "the most sold" equal the best? If that were the case, a 1987 Ford Tempo must be the best car ever!
Yes, I am on commission. I work at a multi-line dealership that sells almost every major brand. But I'm also a fan of the brand, I think most people here are. Sales numbers are an important metric on how healthy the brand is.
I would think most Triumph fans want Triumph motorcycles to be successful.
I agree that what sells the most doesn't necessarily mean it's the best but manufacturers need their bikes to sell for the brand to be successful especially entry level bikes like the Daytona 660.
I also think the Daytona might have the best engine in the class and could be successful with a few small tweaks. I hear the complaints from customers and why it doesn't sell and I think this update falls far short of expectations.
Personally I like Triumph, I think they make some great bikes and I want them to be successful. I just think they make some weird decisions that hurt the brand, but I can say that about any manufacturer.
Yamaha not bringing the 900 GP for the tracer 7 to the US bugs me. Honda not bringing the updated CBR600RR to the United States bugs me.
Kawasaki not bringing out a competitive middle class twin is a miss I feel.
I wish one of the Japanese brands would bring out a competitor to the ibex 450.
The R7 is designed to be a good track bike for regular riders. The power level is more than most riders can utilize properly on the track, and the ergonomics are exactly what you want there.
Not the Trident engine - that's a 798cc. I'm talking about the Tiger 900 engine - 888cc triple.
They would need to convert it from a T-plane to Cross-plane crank (like all standard Triples), and race-tune it like the 765. A high-revving 888cc triple.
The 765 is making 128bhp and 59ft/lbs of torque. With the 888cc, they could probably get it up to 140-ish bhp, and 65-ish ft/lbs of torque. It would be pretty frickin' awesome: Street Triple 8 and/or Daytona Triple 8.
Totally agree. I was pretty happy with the spot the Daytona occupies with its comfort and performance but wanted an adjustable suspension, a quick shifter and a full TFT. Less dissapointed than most but dang.
You're really complaining too much. š¤£
If you want a track ready bike, set it up that way.
That's what the accessory/performance parts market is for.
I personally don't need an adjustable fork for the street, and would not appreciate paying extra for it.
Manufacturers realize this.
All I had to do is put some Progressive HD 412s on the rear of my Speed Twin 1200 and it rides perfectly for the street.
I didn't have to complain about it, I just did it.
Part of ownership is tailoring a bike to your personal needs.
What an intelligent and well thought out rebuttal.
A bike at the price point of the Daytona 660 should at least come with the same level of suspension as cheaper models in the same class. It's the most expensive motorcycle in its class and the only thing that's got going for it is a wonderful engine. If it continues to sit on sales floors unsold even with high discounts the product will be discontinued sooner than later.
As far as manufacturers producing bikes that people want to buy, why the hell would a manufacturer want to sell motorcycles and do things like stay in business, gain market share, and increase profits?
I talk to their customers every day and I know a lot of the reasons why the bike doesn't sell. I talk to the regional rep and explain my concerns, he says it falls on deaf ears. When I have talked to the higher-ups at the immersion events they're very concerned about sales numbers but they seem to have a pretty big disconnect on why certain models remain stagnant. I guarantee you they'd be absolutely positively thrilled if the Daytona 660 started selling at anything close to R7 numbers.
Releasing this big teaser and keeping this release is the final release for the season with a slap in the face to a lot of Triumph customers.
I definitely understand buying the bike and then making it your own but the problem with this bike is it's not getting to the first step so it never gets to the second step of somebody making it their own.
You should have kept buying them, if everyone that says they miss one kept buying them they would probably still be around. Low sales numbers killed it.
I was a about to ask the same thing. I think it is a great looking bike , near 100hp like 93 . Slightly more comfortable riding position. As a 50 year old I cant fold myself into an Origami animal anymore . Seems like it would be just right . Track with out suspension adjustment yeah I get that . But I really like it. Oh well I love my 650 vstrom too. Itās hideous and boring but itās the only bike of the 20 Iāve had in the last 12 years that just keeps its homely face around . lol
ST765RS is $14K right now, Daytona would be at least $15K; I guarantee if that came out people would be saying "why this when R9 is only $12.5K" even though youre not gonna buy that either. Not to mention if you really want a Daytona 765 you can build one.... I did it for the track, I see tons of 765 conversions there as well; a street legal one with headlights etc isnt that difficult and prob wont cost much more than if Triumph sold it to you.
Daytona 660 is pretty much on the money in its segment.... RS660 has everything everyone wants and costs $2K more.... R7 has better suspension for the $$$ but is down 20-30HP (and IMO is slow at the track, this will be more fun).... Hornet 750 makes the same power for less money but has an even worse suspension and no fairing etc.... if this was a bad deal there would be something better for the $$$, am I missing something.
IME you dont need adjustable suspension for the street, just a sorted one you will never touch unless you do a lot of 2 up riding....... and if you are serious about going to the track youre not buying a brand new bike to do it. Some yall are just talking to talk IMO
765 daytona kit and street legal might be easy in the US but here in the EU? Not even close to possible and if someone made a kit, it would cost easily 2-4kā¬
R9 has the same frame as the MT09 gen 3 which is super thin and known to break, on top you need to change the brake lines since for whatever retarded reason yamaha didnt use steel braided ones.
I was in the market for around 14-16kā¬ bikes which the R9,765 RS, tuono v4 and SDR 3.0 fall.
I went with the streety because it was the best bike for money. In my opinion adjustable suspension is one of the most important things.
a real Daytona 765 would probably cost like 18-20kā¬ since the 765 RS cost already 15kā¬ and for 18-20kā¬ I'm not buying a daytona when I can buy a slightly used rsv4/tuono v4 with less than 5k km. Ofc I'm sad about the disappointment of a "Daytona" 660 update, but I can understand Triumph. They obviously want to make as much money as possible and with a Daytona around ~15-16k I dont think they would make a good profit at all.
The R9 uses its own frame and the cracked frames are almost 100% caused by cheap frame sliders not applying the correct tq to the motor mounts. The same frame crack is caused on 900 tigers with some of the cheap crash bars. With proper tq on the motor mounts cracked frames are almost non-existent.
was not the only issue with the frame, when you did wheelies and dropped it a bit too hard it could also break. MT09 had a bunch of issues.
What I saw the R9 has a similar thin frame, but I guess time will tell. But I'm happy I went with the 765 RS anyway, it's such a much better and refined bike.
The 765 competes in the super sport class, the Daytona 660 does not compete in the super sport class if it competes in the same class as bikes like that rs660 gsx8r and R7. It's supposed to compete this year in the "world street bike championships" part of the world superbike championships.
Other organizations have classes like "next-gen super sport" where the 660 competes again against the middleweight twins not against full-on super sports.
Just having fun, but as a previous owner of a 2012 675R and now a 2020 765 Moto2, those two highlight years were met with an exit on high notes. Now, the re-entry has been mediocre. Maybe they are building up to something that would have been great to see in all these releases.
Under 400lbs if you replace that heavy bread box with a link pipe. While I'm disappointed that triumph never made a proper Daytona again, I'm also glad they didn't because it makes our bike more rare, especially the D765
As someone who owned a 13' 675R i laugh at this. In no way shape or form does this excite me in the slightest. Just makes me more of an idiot for ever selling my one haha
Big sad. Even plopping the 800 mill in the Daytona chassis would have been a better announcement. Then they would be competing with the r9, the new ktm and the likes.
Iām not a motorcycle market strategist, but the business model of releasing low spec bikes for sales, and holding off on production of higher specs on purpose to get repeat buys is infuriating as a customer. I really feel like Triumph know what everyone wants and is not delivering on purpose. Iāve been loyal for 15 years but at this point am strongly considering Yamaha.
Following the logic they have shown with the Trident, the next Daytona will be an 800...equally as underwhelming. Regardless, with every release, the more money I continue to save.
Well Triumph was kinda teasing something new so people expectations lined up to it but all they got was new stickers on the bike, canāt blame them for feeling let down.
some of us have a broad experience with motorcycles and are aware of the market. with this knowledge it's easy to see how much triumph dropped the ball.
Triumph is trying to stand out and improve their sales figures which have been declining due to a number of issues they and their service departments have caused of their own volition.
they are trying to stand out so they didn't read the market at all, did their own thing, and are surely going to have men in suits that don't understand the market whatsoever arguing about why their sales figures are again not matching their projections over the next 3 quarters.
it's not about being upset over expectations. it's amazement that triumph is continuing to ignore what would actually improve sales figures.
True we should be thrilled that we can spend 12k at a dealership to get a porker compared to spending 7-8k and buying a real Daytona. How silly of everyone.
The 660 isn't meant to be in the Daytona 675 super sport class. We just want it to be better in the R7 cbr650 gsx8r ss675 class. My old 675 was gorgeous though.
I fully expected it to be the Daytona 660, but the update itself still disappoints me. It got the quickshifter standard but not the 6 axis IMU nor the cruise control that BOTH the Trident 660 and Tiger Sport 660 get. Arguably, THIS is the 660 that would benefit the most from both.
The Showa forks are pretty good as-is, so I don't mind that much even though they still lack preload. No optional R version still that could do with a power increase to make it more appealing than the RS660 which is amazing.
I actually quite enjoyed my time on the D660, but the standout cons were that it felt notably heavier and it lacked the basic electronics that the other 660s have. Neither of those were fully addressed.Ā
They want a sportbike with fairings that is still comfortableāfine. But triple cylinder aside it's doing NOTHING other competitor's aren't already doing one way or another.Ā
So, this overall launch of 20-something ānew and updatedā bikes was a complete waste fulled with bad decisions, increased price points, and overhyped announcements.
Triumph reaffirmed my ongoing strategy of buying used to avoid their overinflated MSRPs and bad model āupdates.ā
Honestly Triumph need to up their game. They are missing
out on a bia area in the market. The true Davtona (the 675R"
set such a high bar and still does, this 660 feels like a
different category altogether. The Yamaha R9 is close to the
675R/765 Daytona level of sports bike but it makes me
wonder if we'll ever see a true supersport Daytona again.
Theres definitely a market for a 765, 800, or even a 1200
Davtona (based on the Speed Triple RR). I wish triumph
would just commit to it
The 660 is a different category, its the same as the cbr 650 r7 gsx8r category. lots of people love the 675 but the truth is if it sold well it would still be around. Sales never recovered after the 2008 collapse so now triumph is trying to get in the new middle weight class and failing.
Yeah not happy at all, especially with the delay and the buildup. The 660 is a fine bike, but that was a bit of misleading marketing. Very disappointed
I have waited and waited and waited for so many years so they will rectify their mistakesšššš but finally today i have in to the MV agustaš.
This was made for the guys like me. Who wants something just more powerful with a sportier stance than a duke 390. Plastic panels to cover the tube frame are such a trun-off. So far leaning towards CFMOTO 675ss, but would like to checkout Aprilia 660 before pulling a plug.
I've not paid much attention to the latest release, I am still riding a 2006 Daytona 955i. 70,000 miles and still puts a big smile on my face. For something more modern with lots of tech I ride my 2022 Rocket R3, but I still love to crank my 955i.
All of you saying they want a Daytona 765 or 800 and yet nobody is buying the 765 moto2 and nobody was buying 675 Daytonas either.
They would be 15k+ā¬ bike and would be "too expensive" and no one would buy them. Yamaha is selling the R9 14kā¬ and itās already A LOT for a glorified MT09. Can imagine what a Daytona 765 would go for considering a RS starts at 13kā¬.
Just like the R7 theyāll sell a lot of these to A2 beginners who want "sport bikes" all across Europe.
Not knocking the 660, itās a good bike, but for some colors, a quick shifter and a fairly minor suspension upgrade to be your LAST announcement of TRIUMPH UNLEASHED! is sooooo underwhelming.
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u/Adventurous_Ad8593 Mar 17 '26
All the triumph announcements of new models happened to be new paint jobs. Only three new bikes were announced out of all total unveils. ( thruxton/tracker 400 , trident 800) Quite underwhelming tbh considering the hype they created.