This is how they do it at Nova Rock in Austria.
You pay 50 eur for a big trash bag, and if you dont bring the big bag full of waste at the end, you wont get the 50 back, which then goes to the cleanup effort.
They do, although this is bad, the festival organisers return the site to pre-event state (well, pre event plus the impact of that many people walking all over it).
They're festival organisers, so at some point they'll probably start asking a fee for that, but in the UK these have to be transparent at the time of purchase so it's just another way of defining, "what the market will bear".
How naive are you? The fact that these festivals typically are commerical operations aimed at turning a profit and not charity events is completely lost on you, isn't it?
Those organizers are already charging attendees "as much of their money as possible" because that is how business / greed works. Now try to add some on top of that an people simply won't attend.
Good, then that extra revenue can be used by the venue to pay people to pick up the trash and if they're already doing that they can afford to pay them more!
Atleast it would pay for a proper cleanup. Due to all the needles and human waste that are surely spread out all over the place this should automatically be classified as a biohazard cleaning job with certain precautions (which isn’t cheap). I would bet currently they just send out minimum wage festival employees to deal with this.
The problem is that people have sometimes a different logic. If they see "cleaning fee"on their ticket, they care even less. Someone is paid to do it, so why would I bother doing anything?!?
Really hard to enforce. There's separate exits for the the coaches, the car park, shuttle busses, boats and people walking. You might have several people in the one tent who are taking different modes of transport home and therefore leaving through different exits, only one of whom will be taking the tent with them.
Yeah I think that if you tried to have a single exit where people were checking every person's bags before they could leave, people would literally die in crush incidents or heat stroke waiting to get out.
Once the event is over, you want to make it as easy as possible for people to get home efficiently without trampling each other.
For one, there isn't a price high enough to stop this from happening and simultaneously low enough that people will still buy tickets.
For two, it's a massively expensive logistical nightmare for the festival. Processing all of those people is incredibly slow and requires a ton of staff. It will turn the process of getting people out into a full day needing a full crew to manage it.
Plus, not every ticket purchaser is coming with a tent. Many of them are sharing. You'd need to be verifying that only people who pay the deposit come with tents on the way in, another logistical process to add on to an already tough logistical job of getting people in.
If a job can't be done correctly, and the alternative is environmental destruction, maybe don't do the job in the first place. Getting fucking up in the woods is a reasonable sacrifice to raise the standard of humanity a bit more.
I get the sense that these are the kind of people who:
-do not like organized central authority, such as designated entrances and exists, or lines.
-like to see how well they can game the system for fun and to mock it.
Half won't care, the other half will find a way to get the deposit before dumping their tent back in the are to "stick it to the man."
The festival I visited had a 10€ deposit you got back when returning a full trashbag. The pollution on the camp site was still there but far less than on other festivals.
I actually thought that was the norm. Last three festivals I've been to it was a £10 deposit, otherwise you couldn't get in the tent area. Then you take photos of your cleared up space to get it back.
But they could easily give that ten pounds to people who clear up a deserted tent space if rich people have not bothered to get the ten pounds back. So you could easily make £100-200 in a day just doing that.
The venue just cooks the cost of clean up into the ticket price. Big, multi-day festivals like this are always priced to include a huge, industrial clean up crew.
Most festivals have pre set tents you can rent but they cost a few hundred, unless the deposit is £50+ then i don't think it will have any impact. For those coming from abroad you'd have to set the cost at £200+ and even then you might end up with a pile just outside the festival grounds.
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it's not like the festivals are unprepared, all of this gets bulldozed in a single day, super wasteful yes, but it's not gonan make a difference to the festival, even if there weren't tents, there would still be a weeks worth of trash. Also those tents are basically single use at this point, they have become so cheap and so shitty, that having them last for an entire festival is pretty much a miracle.
Evey one of the tents that leave that factory will suffer the same fate whether its at a festival or in nature, whether its bulldozed, or disposed of when you come home it will ultimately end up in landfill or an incinerator either way, so it seems more sensible to regulate the production rather than specific use cases
The campsite should be marked out into small sections, and you pay a deposit for each section. However, it should be a substantial amount – for example, half the ticket price or thereabouts. If your section is clean at the end, you’ll automatically get your deposit back.
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u/PublicProperty1805 8h ago
There should be a deposit attached to ticket price and when you scan out if you aren't carrying tent with you you don't get deposit back.