r/aislop • u/ThePhillyExplorer • 1d ago
Found on Facebook The absolute irony of preaching about “work ethic” while using AI to steal someone else’s work and putting in no artistic effort of your own into the meme
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u/senorespilbergo 1d ago edited 1d ago
If minimum wage is for teenagers, then nobody working at regular school hours or overnight shifts should get minimum wage or less. Right?
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Right?
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u/wote89 1d ago
Don't call them out like that. They'll start complaining about lack of respect and then we're never going to actually sit down and eat.
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u/senorespilbergo 1d ago
Their new favourite bailout card in arguments "you are pretending you don't understand"
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u/Mimopotatoe 1d ago
Also- So you’re agreeing that adults working a full time job should earn a living wage then and minimum wage is not for full time working adults
Right?
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u/TheMetropolisKid 1d ago
Bingo! Never understood this argument. If these jobs are meant for teens, then those businesses shouldn’t be open during school hours.
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u/amazing_rando 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Minimum wage is for people who don't actually need to make money" is just an asinine, ahistorical piece of bullshit made up by people who want to blame wage stagnation on workers. A system that relies on a class of workers who can't afford to live independently in the city where they work is fucked up, regardless of how possible it is for those workers to find better jobs. The jobs still need to be done, and I don't think you actually want them all to be done by teenagers, you just don't want the people who do them to also live comfortably.
After a lifetime of policy that gave white boomers, specifically, incredible access to upward economic mobility, their response is to refuse to acknowledge any of that and blame everyone else who hasn't made it despite not being given those opportunities, in order to protect their own ego as a self-made man.
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u/aNewBirb 1d ago
Why they keep using Looney Toones for this bs?
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u/plasticman1997 1d ago
Because it’s made to appeal to boomers
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u/rde2001 1d ago
Boomers hating on trans people while Bug Bunny has crossdressed many times ❤️
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u/panyways 1d ago
Because Gen X and boomers grew up on Looney Tunes propaganda and will continue to gobble it up.
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u/MyGrandmasCock 1d ago
GenX here and you’re not wrong. I will LITERALLY believe ANYTHING you say as long as you put it in a speech bubble coming out of a Warner Bros character’s mouth.
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u/panyways 1d ago
My best friend who is also Gen X said in the 90s "Everything I learned came from Bugs Bunny or Bullwinkle" and I'm pretty sure he wasn't totally joking.
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u/turdferguson3891 1d ago
I learned things from Scooby Doo which is how know if you pull a mask off a Republican it was really old man Johnson all along. And he wouldn't gotten away with it to if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
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u/Tricky_Visit7425 1d ago
Being into looney tunes and hannah barbera is hell because 80% of the comments on any given video will beat the shit out of the younger generation for no apparent reason and follow it up with the most racist/sexist shit you’ve ever heard
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u/EvilDarkCow 21h ago
I'm in a Facebook group about a TV channel that plays old cartoons.
Every time they air an old Looney Tunes short with a content warning before it (usually for racist gags), the group fucking explodes with boomers complaining about them "going woke", as if those jokes hadn't been cut out of 90% of TV airings since the 60s.
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u/dravenonred 1d ago
Because Warner Brothers' legal department is too busy with merger bullshit to go after them right now
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u/someToast 1d ago
Maybe Facebook metrics were dropping off for the generated Peanuts propaganda?
I expect to see Calvin and Hobbes next.
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u/OmgJustLetMeExist 1d ago
Ever since i saw someone else make the comment, it’s been my main belief as to why;
If it’s not the people generating the images, then it’s the boomers seeing them that have such a weak grasp on understanding of literacy and media that their thought process goes as far and as deep as “i grew up watching these characters, i like these characters, so surely whatever i believe would be what they believe too.” And boomers grew up on Looney Tunes.
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u/Slimeredit 1d ago
Funny thing is the minimum wage was meant to protect workers and prevent exploitation alongside providing a decent standard of living during the great depression that doesn’t sound like a tool used to teach work ethic
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u/IndecorousRex 1d ago
It’s like the Dave Chappell quote. “Minimum wage to business is saying: I would love to pay you less but the government won’t let me.”
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u/Latte_8621 1d ago
These people still cling to the same old mentality of labor exploitation. Because they genuinely believe that by sucking up to billionaire businessmen they'll one day earn a place in that world. What they don't know is that they are all in the same boat with the people they call communists because they want more equality, while the people they defend tooth and nail are on their private yachts.
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u/Illustrious_Owl5352 1d ago edited 1d ago
lol most of the boomers posting stuff like this actually graduated college with an English degree, were patted on the head immediately ushered into management jobs paying an inflation adjusted $225k/yr. at a travel agency.
Moreover, the houses that WERE built by boomers are being opened up for renovation and other reasons and are commonly found to have horrendous quality of work. Ask any young person in the trades.
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u/ThePhillyExplorer 1d ago
So true about the homes that were built. When I was in the home-buying process, I didn’t want to buy anything built after the 1970s. Luckily that isn’t an issue in Philadelphia, where the average age of a home is 88. The workmanship of my brick twin from the 1940s is of a much higher quality than the homes that came after it.
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u/Marquar234 1d ago
If nothing else, an 80+ year-old house is structurally sound, else it wouldn't be 80+ years old.
This is my mantra for my 1930s "quirky" house.
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u/the_trapper_john 1d ago
My house was built around 1910. I recently demo’d the basement because of some water damage and, I swear to god, whoever framed this house was high af.
The only reason this place has survived 100+ years and a couple earthquakes is a testament to the strength of old growth lumber. The only building code they were seemingly operating off of was “slap another piece of wood in there, we have to use all of it”.
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u/Ok-Screen9675 1d ago
It’s because they gutted the unions. Union carpenters were forced out of residential work by the 1970s. The quality of work for $19/hour of a two-year carpenter is wildly different than the quality of work of a $60/hour 24-year carpenter.
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u/ZongoNuada 1d ago
And the developer will charge as if they are paying $60 but in reality they are paying the $19. Or less if they can.
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u/SandalsResort 1d ago
“Minimum wage is for kids to learn responsibility.”
Is that why all fast food places are only open from 4-9pm on Monday-Friday?
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u/Lefthandovg0d 1d ago
If they were, those same boomers would complain that those restaurants should be open late. "Is working closing/open shifts too much for you? Pick up your boot straps nancy boy!"
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u/koboldcutie97 1d ago
If it's meant to teach responsibility, then why do you kick them out at 18, are they supposed to have a different job by then?
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u/Christmas_person 1d ago
“By the way all of our service workers should be homeless, they don’t deserve to live”
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u/chachaslydd 1d ago
The people banning books never opened a single fucking one, unless you count the Cheesecake Factory menu
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u/thelocalphoneaddict 1d ago
Or the Bible. Even then, why would they ever listen to a woke leftist hippie like Christ, right? /s
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u/Imperialnoodles 1d ago edited 1d ago
“Goodness did I just use minimum wage to purchase a house in my twenties? This is wrong, it’s all wrong. Can we make sure no one ever uses minimum wage to purchase a home ever again??”
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u/JimmyGimbo 1d ago
Bugs Bunny, famous for his Puritan work ethic and large family, espousing the benefits of same. Always hilarious to see him come home from a long shift and have to deal with his kids’ hijinx.
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u/MC_Fap_Commander 1d ago
FWIW, he's in a subversive new movie that's pretty overtly anti-corporate (both in text and subtext). It actually did reasonably well at the box office this weekend (despite Warner Bros shitty attempt to stash it away).
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u/Pandemoniusanus 1d ago
Most trades pay minimum wage after you deduct expenses. Boomers say shit like this and have no idea how modern labor markets are.
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u/CthulhusIntern 1d ago
I'm trying to think of the last time I've seen a teenager at a fast food place.
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u/Briebird44 1d ago
I rarely see teens working at McDonald’s or fast food. It’s usually 20 something’s or a 60 year old who’s been with McDonald’s since the 80’s.
I definitely see lots of teens working in retail like 5 Below.2
u/Heavy_Ad1312 1d ago
It's because in a lot of places McDonald's pays well enough to attract desperate adults.
Look at the restaurants that pay less and you'll see a lot of teens working there
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u/PM-ME-UR-DARKNESS 1d ago
No, it wasn't "for teenagers learning a work ethic". It was literally meant to be the minimum livable wage.
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u/neddiddley 1d ago
Notice how they gradually swapped out “part-time” job for “minimum wage” job to the point they’re now pretty much synonymous. Yet they refuse to acknowledge that many companies have all but eliminated full-time jobs so they can get away without paying real benefits.
I know Hollywood takes liberties, but it’s funny that so many shows and movies from and/or about prior eras portrayed grown adults working so many of these “minimum wage” type jobs. Hell, waitresses in old school diners are almost always some grown woman and the cooks were greasy men. Cheers had Coach, Diane and Carla all as mature people working these jobs. Woody was kind of young, but even he was an adult out on his own.
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u/nwillyerd 1d ago
My favorite argument of theirs is when they say “people flipping burgers shouldn’t get paid as much as me” without realizing that if minimum wage goes up to where these “burger flippers” are getting paid what they are, it gives them the perfect opportunity to fight for a raise for themselves. 🤦🏻♂️
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u/nwillyerd 1d ago
Also, when they say fast food is for teenagers. So you want all fast food places to close during school hours then? How will you get your Big Mac on your lunch break then, Jethro? How will people get their morning commute coffee and Egg McMuffin? Not a single brain cell flickering in those brains.
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u/Long_Candle_5054 1d ago
But they think that if they get a raise, they will have to pay more taxes, and get less money overall..
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u/Affectionate_Bad_680 1d ago
Plus, when I worked, I was making $29 per hour. If the guy making my burger gets paid that much, well, good for him!
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u/Sonar_Taxbreak_1138 1d ago
Up to the late 1960s, minimum wage allowed people to live on their own, pay groceries, etc., absolutely.
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u/No-Letter341 1d ago
Imo it shows how stupid the rich and corporations are to be so against a minimum wage raise, because it would benefit them too.
Yes in the short term they would lose money, but in the long term, what do you think Americans are gonna do when they have spending money? Companies would make more sales cause their consumers would actually have money to buy things
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u/TenPointsforListenin 1d ago
The number of jobs that became minimum wage increased. The same job that got my grandfather a house on enough land to have horses and enough money to support a wife and three kids is now a minimum wage job I had to reject in favor of a livable wage
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u/Chevanalee 1d ago
Minimum wage was meant to be enough to survive off. In many places even trades don’t pay enough to survive also teenagers who are out of home still deserve to live. It’s not about buying a house it’s about being able to survive.
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u/BlueDragonBoye 1d ago
Boomers don't understand that trade apprentices get paid 15-20 an hour with unreliable work. So what, you get the privilege to make 30-40$ an hour but only be able to find work half the year as a journeyman in 4 years when you get work for half the year already as an apprentice but at a wage you can't live on?
Literally getting a full time job at 20$ an hour anywhere else is sometimes a better idea than being a tradie.
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u/bob_nugget_the_3rd 1d ago
Did they include the part where the average person submits 150-200 cvs to get a entry level job, where posts are created but never filled, where the current US job market is technically increasing but people are taking on 2 jobs in the same roll to have ends meet. Where employment for under 30's is increasing and that many jobs that required a degree to have are now redundant
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u/Marquar234 1d ago
Submitting cvs? Just walk in with a firm handshake and you'll get the job.
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u/AdAvailable2782 1d ago
In 2007 when I was 15, my step dad still believed this is how you got a job. He made me go into a store one time to apply and they told me to apply online. He didn't believe me and went inside to ask himself and was told the same thing. He's like 84. So.
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u/nolandz1 1d ago
So they should be paid less because they're underage? No wonder the right is in favor of repealing child labor laws.
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u/Bigfops 1d ago
"no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.”
“By ‘business’ I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level , I mean the wages of decent living,”
Franklin Delano Roosevelt on creating the minimum wage.
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u/frostyfoxemily 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its insane how much conservstives lie about this. It was meant for you to live on.
Edit: changed wasnt to was because typo. If you work 40 hours you deserve a basic living standard.
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u/Imperialnoodles 1d ago
Like uhhh what was it intended for then? Teenagers? Yet they complain every manager at every store is just some kid.
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u/skpy12345 1d ago
If you quit your job today how long until you're homeless. Most of us would say 2 weeks. A lot in a month. And, very few would say 3 months. There are a very select few that could say they could just pull from investments. And the rest are keeping it that way because they never worked to begin with. We are slaves with ranks.
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u/Ok-Oil7124 1d ago
I know that you're bringing this image to our attention to call it out, but it's hard to switch off the downvote reflex when something this dumb comes up.
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u/Charlie_Warlie 1d ago
I used to think this but then I realized that there a lot of min wage jobs that happen during the highschool school hours so they whole argument falls apart.
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u/TotalChaosRush 1d ago
The fact that the us has a minimum wage and a youth minimum wage makes this argument fall apart.
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u/Minute_Attempt3063 1d ago
Then why are so many jobs min wage then?
Why are 40+ people working them?
Oh right, their "specialty" does not matter*
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u/Drackar39 1d ago
Minimum wage was meant, explicitly, so that one person working a full time job could support a family. That's it. That's the goal. Anyone who's pushing anything else is a liar.
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u/Ok_Machine6739 21h ago
Last minimum wage job i had was full time, weekdays, 10-6. Ideal hours for teenagers looking to gain work experience, they certainly aren't supposed to be at school 2/3s of that, and a teenager working for pocket money and to gain work experience is precisely the person you want handling the entirety of your store's shipping and receiving. Flawless logic, there.
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u/Professional_Tale649 20h ago
At my store they constantly hire teenagers and then flip out when they don't show up * DURING SCHOOL* hours, one of my managers was literally complaining about how they are constantly asking for their hours to be changed to evenings or weekends.
They legit couldn't understand the concept of a teenager attending school during the day . Our busiest times are also usually 12 midday until about 5pm, those kids cannot be there for more than an hour of the rush at best .
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u/LordNemissary 1d ago
First, there is no such thing as unskilled labor. That is a myth invented by corporations to justify paying workers less. There are different amounts of training needed for different jobs, but no job can be done without any training or effort.
Second, if minimum wage is meant for teenagers then pass a law that corporations can only pay minimum wage to teenagers. Seems to me like corporations are intentionally abusing the intent of minimum wage because there are millions of adults working in minimum wage jobs.
Stop thinking of someone's minimum wage job as a personal failing of that person. You don't know anything about them. Instead think of the failing of the corporation to adequately compensate its workers and the societal benefit of having more money flowing in the economy rather than being hoarded by corporations. It's really a no brainer.
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u/PlatinumHairpin 1d ago
The Minimum wage was 100% meant to support a house of 2-3 dependably.
Again with the CONSTANT lying...and unearned valor.
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u/coldasclay 1d ago
If minimum wage is for teenagers why aren't teenagers paid minimum wage? In most situations they make less than minimum wage until they are 18.
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u/Gloomy_Yoghurt_2836 1d ago
BS. When the minimum wage was introduced, it was supposed to support a family. FDR said as much. The "its for teenagers" republican nonsense is the idea its for burger flippers that dont deserve a living wage.
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u/TitShark 1d ago
So every store that has min. Wage would only be open after school hours and weekends? Bc that’s the only way you can have only kids/students working those jobs and maintain this logic
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u/Tyler89558 1d ago
FDR made it clear that businesses ought to at minimum pay a living wage, and FDR pushed for minimum wage.
Ergo, minimum wage was meant to be a living wage, not a “kid wage”, but even then if you’re working what the fuck does your age matter.
And I think it’s quite obvious that people who aren’t teenagers are getting paid minimum.
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u/Panzer_I 1d ago
What if I want to buy hamburger during lunch break?
Who sell hamburger if teenager in school?
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u/TheRockafireman 1d ago
*Minimum wage was introduced to be the minimum living wage! The Current minimum wage was at one point a living wage… like 60 years ago
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u/ArgonianMagician 1d ago
That is absolutely not what minimum wage was for. It was established to provide people enough income to survive and yes in some cases even buying a home but at the very least afford rent. I pay attention to the context of the wording, they treat teenagers as lesser humans that don't deserve good pay and on the flip side would complain HARD if a business were run entirely by teenagers.
Thinking people don't deserve a good wage is shitty behavior alone, but sitting there refusing to demand improvement as everything around us gets worse, believing the lies of "businesses will just raise prices if wages increase." while ignoring that prices have increased for decades after wages stagnated makes you a damn fool and a pawn of the billionaires.
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u/mirrorspirit 21h ago
They also assume that all teenagers (including college kids) have stable home lives and are working just for some extra spending money. There are plenty of teenagers that actually need a living wage.
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u/Alduin_25 22h ago
Because everyone in trades is totally paid a living wage year-round and is not at risk of getting laid off every other week
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u/Lazy-Relationship351 18h ago
Man; people love cutting key stuff from phrases.
"The customer is always right [in matters of taste]" - Aka the customer wanting chocolate covered steak.. sure whatever. Customer calling you a troglydyte and racial slurs? No.
"[The] blood [of the covenant ]is thicker than [the] water [of the womb]." Bonds you make are stronger and more important than just being related to someone.
"Minimum [livable] Wage" the lowest amount of income needed to support yourself in some way or form.
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u/Purple_Dragon_94 1d ago
If thats true, why is teenager minimum wage lower than adult minimum wage?
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u/TotalChaosRush 1d ago
This bit of trivia cuts the knees out of the argument. More people should point out we have a youth minimum wage that is separate from minimum wage.
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u/mmnmnnmnnnm 1d ago
“We’ll also completely ignore that even if you make several times the minimum wage and work a trade it’s still extremely difficult to afford rent, much less save for a house.”
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u/Reddsoldier 1d ago
If everyone stopped working those jobs and went to these supposedly better jobs that they should be working to get a living wage, the country would collapse overnight.
All jobs should pay a living wage.
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u/BusinessMixture9233 1d ago
Tell me about pensions then old man. Tell me about the unions you joined in your trades.
Go on.
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u/Steamy_Guy 12h ago
It's also just factually wrong, minimum wage was established after the great depression to be what a single individual needed to earn to clothe, house and feed themselves.
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u/LeahIsAwake 1d ago
Minimum wage absolutely was meant to support a family on. It was created because factory owners kept undercutting their workers, and unemployment was high enough that those workers had to just take it because some money coming in was better than no money. Employers were taking advantage of the Great Depression to cut back on payroll. Minimum wage was one of the factors that ended the Great Depression, because people who are paid more than bare necessity starvation wages tend to go out and buy shit, and buying shit is how the economy is strengthened.
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u/amythist 1d ago
Yup when FDR established the minimum wage he literally specified "no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to it's workers has any right to continue in this country" later specifying that a living wage is "more than a bare substance level" minimum wage was never meant to be a "starter wage" for teenagers and such it was always intended to be the baseline for someone to live on
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u/Prize_Ostrich7605 1d ago
What I read was: "Governments created this legal baseline to prevent companies from exploiting desperate workers during times of high unemployment. Without a legal floor, businesses could easily drive pay rates down to starvation levels just to maximize their corporate profits."
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u/enry 1d ago
Meanwhile Foghorn Leghorn is busy keeping a shovel from falling over.
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u/Maximum-Oven-7526 1d ago
That's why McDonald's is closed on weekdays during school hours. Oh wait.
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u/CalliopePenelope 1d ago
True. If Bugs Bunny was known for anything, it was for his work in the trades, and not, you know, lounging around a forest eating carrots and antagonizing everyone who crossed his path.
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u/Forest_Orc 1d ago
If Minimal wage is for teenager learning to learn why do so many people need to feed a family on it ?
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u/Dry-Yesterday-9176 1d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't minimum wage created by worker unions, because factory owners would pay their workers a dollar for an hour a day, which wasn't enough back then to survive?
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u/ExtensionInformal911 1d ago
Maybe 'minimum wage' was originally for part time training, but that's not what it's used for now.
I suppose we cpuld do some sort of graduated minimum, like you can pay people under 18 a bit less, but that's different than the current version.
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u/Illustrious_Owl5352 1d ago
Every time I see a meme like this, I think about my 1970’s house. It had a sagging roof, as it turned out because it DIDN’T HAVE A RIDGE BEAM. It had a 2x8 holding up the entire roof. Not only that, but it WASN’T LONG ENOUGH. It didn’t extend the entire length of the roof, and whatever boomer built it had toenailed another 5’ section on to finish it out. I shit you not.
Then, the 60+ yo. framers we hired to fix it and add structural support to an adjacent outside wall cut all the boards too short so all their work was held together by dint of the strength of some framing nails. No wood was actually touching. We had to, of course, pay them again to fix it, supervised by a millennial, female contractor we know.
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u/StatusOk3307 1d ago
I bought my first house while working at a gas station. I was making a hair above minimum wage at the time. This would have been sometime around 2004.
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u/D3stinyD3stroy3r 1d ago
Just destroy your body so you can't enjoy your money when you're too old to work anymore and you're dying. Now that's the dream the oligarchs and tech overlords want for everyone.
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u/BigDamBeavers 1d ago
If it was meant for teenagers then why was it allowed in bars and strip clubs?
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u/Latter-Sign7736 1d ago
So who works first or third shift during the school year?? And do these businesses ensure their schedules align to a teenager’s?
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u/soda_shack23 1d ago
Gosh, here I am working a trade and I still struggling to pay the bills. Maybe I'm not pulling hard enough on my bootstraps.
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u/Specialist-Alarm5150 1d ago
It doesn't matter, they never learn anything but im ganna leave this here. FDR created the minimum wage. These are his words.
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u/Potential-Road-5322 1d ago
What if those teens have to care for younger siblings or what if their parents are dead or incapacitated due to drug abuse?
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u/AmalatheaClassic 1d ago
Then why isn't it called teenwage or second class citizen wage? Seems to me if the wages aren't meant for adults supporting families then it should be illegal to only offer minimum wage to an adult trying to raise a family.
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u/Other-Conversation67 23h ago
Minimum wage was supposed to be enough to afford a one bedroom apartment in an average American town and studio apartment in mid-sized cities. Only in places like LA, San Fran, and NYC should you be required to have roommates. That was the original point. Now we have teachers with masters degrees living in their cars.
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u/darkfireice 23h ago
In the 60s and 70s you could fully pay for a year in university with a part time minimum wage summer job
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u/Sleep_eeSheep 22h ago
I never said this about anyone online before, but….
Show me your hands, AI Prompter. I don’t trust you assholes, so show me your hands. PROVE to me that you’ve actually worked hard.
Because if they’re smooth as a baby’s arse, then you have absolutely NO right to call anyone entitled.
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u/eieiohmygad 21h ago
Was that before or after they voted in the teevee cowboy that gutted the unions back in the 80's? 🤣
I personally know quite a few Boomers who once proudly flew their union flag on their lawns and automobiles. Today, every fucking one of them now sits on their ass all day watching FOX News and calls anyone who attempts to do what they did a "SoCiALiSt".
"Got Mine, Fuck Yours!" is the real American way.
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u/Taragoola 21h ago
This might be the boomerest fucking thing I've ever seen. Every time a new eyeball hits this fucker a Facebook dad who posts minions about communism cums.
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u/Fit_Low592 21h ago
So then why is it the fucking minimum? Make a special wage for people who are not yet adults, if that’s the argument.
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u/ArchelonPIP 20h ago
I can't help but speculate that the thought process of the right wing wannabe propagandist was this:
"I really want to sell a tired old set of lies, but copying and pasting the bullshit I was supplied with isn't working anymore! So I'll try to make it look better by using familiar cartoon characters! But since I never bothered to learn how to draw or do anything artistic, I'll just use an 'AI' image generator because it's easier and faster!"
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u/Serious-Dark2404 20h ago
Also it is a lie minimum wage isn’t for teenagers and never was intended that way
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u/bigscrewLoose 18h ago
also this is not true, min wage was meant to end underpaying and abuse in factories
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u/Sure-Ad-6544 14h ago
These same people would absolutely LOSE their minds if “that’s a teenagers job!” businesses remained closed during school and extracurricular activities hours.
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u/Suspicious_Ask_3424 11h ago
Nevermind the fact that the original minimum wage could in fact buy you a decent house, a decent car, and a decent living in general. Nothing fancy, but not nothing.
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u/No_Peach9935 1d ago
“It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt