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u/Gmanglh Jul 03 '26
As a teacher i wish the US would do this.
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u/Author_Noelle_A Jul 03 '26
As a parent, me too. It pisses me off that we have schools instead that arenât mandating that kids actually use it. Pisses me off more that students who refuse get penalized. Leave it to the US to decide that schools should be where kids are indoctrinated to use whatever the latest bullshit is so that rich people can keep getting richer.
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u/Gmanglh Jul 03 '26
Ya i will tell you thats flowing straight out of google and microsoft. They are giving multimillion dollar grants to force disticts to mandate ai for staff/students.
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u/JimAbaddon Jul 03 '26
Not enough, they should ban it outright and for everyone. Use your damn brains.
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u/NearInWaiting Jul 03 '26
Should be banned for teachers at a minimum too (but also for everyone). It's heinous listening to teachers on reddit suddenly switch gears "oh I'm so overworked all the time so I have to use it to lighten my workload". If a student said that you'd laugh in their face.
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u/Mickey_Zepplin Jul 03 '26
You gotta love all the AI Shill Bots, and Alts. Fuck AI bro. Let the AI bubble pop, and humanity thrive.
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u/AssociateLow7026 Jul 03 '26
this is VERY GOOD it's still a shame that ages 14-16 can use it, but at least they are doing something to prevent AI usage.
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u/Professional-Post499 Jul 03 '26
Good. LLMs don't even have levels of accuracy to rival calculators.
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u/untiedgames Jul 03 '26
LLMs are simply not built for that purpose (Which doesn't mean people don't try and use them that way!). In terms of math, they are incapable of comprehending a problem and "solving" it in the way that a human would. They are pattern-recognizers which have been trained on vast quantities of data, and see the math problem as simply a string of input text. The output generated is, according to the trained model, the most statistically likely output for that given input. There is no thought process or logic here, and the output is likely to be incorrect mathematically. The issue is more obvious when asked to "show your work-" Just like when people try and get it to write essays and it makes up citations, it's liable to simply make up steps.
The problem is that kids will offload their critical thinking skills, probably still end up with wrong answers, and learn nothing along the way. (And that's not even mentioning all the other myriad issues with AI in terms of art theft, water use, consolidation of wealth, etc.)
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There is no way they can know the LLM is teaching them incorrectly unless the students are already experts in the topic or are whiz kids who are kind of geniuses to figure out which output of the LLM is incorrect.
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u/A_Truthspeaker Jul 03 '26
While I'm inclined to support this move, I'm worried about how they will enforce it. Government overreach is already bad enough (see age verification).
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u/gayrayofsun Jul 03 '26
i would imagine/hope that certain apps and sites would be blocked by the school/district, but that does put a damper on allowing that access once the students hit 14...
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u/MoocowR Jul 04 '26
Government overreach is already bad enough (see age verification)
Well schools already have students age and identities, so what exactly is your concern here? Students are not anonymous within the school system the way you are anonymous on the internet.
These types of policies already exist and are super simple to implement at a school level, students in grades X-Y no longer have access to Z services, done.
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u/A_Truthspeaker Jul 04 '26
If it's done like that, with the personal info that is already present and the servers remain as decentralised as they are now, then I agree with you.
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u/Involution88 Jul 04 '26
That's easy. Banned on school premises. School IT department has to configure school network anyhow. After school it's the responsibility of care takers etc. No overreach necessary.
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u/avestronics Jul 03 '26
They can't prevent AI usage by students unfortunately.
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u/bruhbelacc Jul 03 '26
How lol. If you use Google, you get a generative AI-response. If you click 1 centimeter away from the response on "AI Mode", you have a whole conversation with it.
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u/Author_Noelle_A Jul 03 '26
There are search engines that donât use AI like that.
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u/bruhbelacc Jul 03 '26
But that's not what the article says.
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u/Inc0rgnit0 Jul 03 '26
What article?
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u/throwaway098764567 Jul 04 '26
i swear to god everyone is bots. you're right, there is no article, it's just an image
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u/gayrayofsun Jul 03 '26
it has settings where you can disable all ai features.
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u/headedbranch225 Jul 04 '26
noai.duckduckgo.com and you don't even need to go to settings
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u/gayrayofsun Jul 04 '26
i went into settings just because i downloaded it on mobile, but this is also great to know!
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u/headedbranch225 Jul 04 '26
Yeah if you are adding it as a search engine for another browser it is nice and simple
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u/kanashiroas Jul 03 '26
Well here in Brasil phones are now not allowed in schools anymore so at least for some hours kids can focus and be far from AI as well.
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u/Anatole2k Jul 03 '26
A suggestion thats been coming from some teachers is to go back to using pen and paper, they say children have become dumber and are learning less since the implementation and overuse of computers. So restricting the use of it in schools could be a solution
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u/mrfoxesite-2377 Jul 04 '26
My Asian school uses pen and paper and as someone who is a pen enthusiast, yeah IDK why you guys don't use it.
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u/No-Palpitation6368 Jul 05 '26
Yeah my school (England) still does everything on pen and paper? Lowkey though what state school in England has the funding to give every student a laptop
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u/TheodoraWimsey Jul 03 '26
add -ai to any google search to eliminate it for the search.
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u/MaDpYrO Jul 03 '26
This might be a radical concept for you but you can learn things without a computer using this thing called a book and if you're brave, a pencil
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u/Silvanus350 Jul 03 '26
How often do you think grade school or even high school students have access to the internet during school hours�
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u/Wooden_Cicada8880 Jul 03 '26
But parents can. Seeing the school on board for this is sending a message to the parents that this is a danger to their childâs education.
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u/Author_Noelle_A Jul 03 '26
Meanwhile, here in the US people think the education is bad for childrenâs education. Hence how many people are doing this âUnschoolingâ bullshit.
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u/Existing_Purpose5049 Jul 04 '26
They can crack down on it though. Bans in school might prevent, say, 60% of AI usage. Itâs not prefect, but itâs a hell of a lot better
Iâm not inherently for or against AI, but I will say, it has no place in education for children that young
Theyâre not able to use it âcorrectlyâ, so itâs extremely dangerous in the realm of misinformation
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u/Eborcurean Jul 03 '26
And yet that's what they're doing.
Want to provide any facts to support your claim?
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u/RadicalSoda_ Jul 03 '26
You don't know schools very well, they can and will punish you for things you had no involvement in on school grounds
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u/SpinachSubstantial55 Jul 03 '26
Bravo Norway!
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u/TorquedSavage Jul 06 '26
Norway has seen the studies.
There is a thing called the reverse Flynn Effect, which basically says that IQ's are dropping for those born since 1975, basically millennials and Gen Z. Studies have directly linked the fall to use of social media. It's shortened attention spans, impaired long term memory, and stunted reasoning skills.
With the advent of AI they a expect Gen A to take the largest step backwards when they are finally of age to study.
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u/sudoregalia Jul 03 '26
breaking news: post asking if people hate waffles posted in anti-waffle space
everyone here, including me, is all for this. and some of us even want ai to be banned worldwide for all ages and classes outright (also me)
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u/reapvxz Jul 03 '26
That image that the article using is AI. Jesus christ you can't escape it.
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u/southernsovietKGB Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26
And this is also false information. The Norwegian government only recommend education directorate to issue regulations, unfortunately there is no ban. Seems like this is from some deliberate misinformation that ai bros generated from their ai hallucination summaries. The same shit happened before, someone posted an ai generated image saying China is regulating ai, which was also completely misinformation, that one was even worse, thinly veiled propaganda.
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u/Strange-guy-91 Jul 03 '26
At least they're doing something. In my school a biology teacher told my friend's class to go to the toilet during an exam, open Chat GPT and look up all the answers, so the final resoults would look better on paper :/
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u/freethethought Jul 03 '26
Canadas doing the opposite and I'm fucking Pissed, they want to start AI learning in kindergarten
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u/holdmyspot123 Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
This is actually a good thing, statistics are showing youth are bonding to AI so much that it is replacing human interaction. I think they should be introduced to this technology for the first time in schools to learn as a tool, although that probably is impossible, attempting to regulate it can't hurt.
I really like AI. I think it is fascinating, and I have extremely good results with it. I never experienced many of the problems I see people posting. The reason is I know what I am doing in using it as a tool - I went to university to learn to access, understand, process, and organize information. AI augments those already existing skills.
Edited to add this line: I'm a millennial and my school had computers and internet before it was common, and this really enhanced my life because I had a foundation of this technology that was taught to me, in a structured way by teachers, beginning in Kindergarten. I think that was a great place to start learning about technology. My understanding is that schools have not caught up with AI yet.
Without those skills I was taught, I might think it is magic. I am concerned children without foundational skills or life experiences could be harmed by AI... statistically, up to 72% of youth are trying AI companions. Maybe if regulated properly that doesn't need to be a bad thing, but it's NOT regulated. I think Norway is having common sense here.
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u/Lagoserter Jul 03 '26
now they need to ban it for everyone else, complete and total fetus deletus on the ai crap bots
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u/SkyFullOfWisteria Jul 03 '26
Like many internet surveillance laws, theyre saying its "for the kids" but its just another attempt to clamp down on data privacy and free speech online and implement a surveillance state.
If they actually cared, they'd ban phones (and all edu-tech) from schools, and push responsibility onto the parents to actually monitor their kids.
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u/happycat47 Jul 03 '26
Should ban it completely for anyone not using it in the medical field for researchingÂ
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u/captstinkybutt Jul 03 '26
If Norway is doing something one way and the United States is doing the exact opposite, no matter what the issue is, Norway is probably doing it right.
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u/MidTario Jul 03 '26
It seems like a decent part of a broader campaign against anti-intellectualism. They need to hire more teachers and promote the many harms that tech addiction cause to children.
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u/Lorraineism Jul 03 '26
some people on this thread are really freaking dumb. i'm disappointed in all of those replies that are seemingly totally against using natural human brainpower. the point of life is NOT to have an easier life and get stupider in the process....
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u/MainFakeAccount Jul 03 '26
No wonder Norway is always one of the best countries to live on Earth. They should just have banned for longer, thoughÂ
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u/Independent-Clue1422 Jul 03 '26
Meanwhile in Germany publish money is spent to develop AI for schools. Such a shame.
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u/Individual-Praline20 Jul 03 '26
This is the way. Less AI is less shit. More brain.
https://giphy.com/gifs/5DCLZUqb0ImZy
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u/FuryMaker Jul 03 '26
How the hell can they properly enforce this though? It's embedded into everything.
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u/-Casey-Diaz- Jul 03 '26
This is really good. There's significant evidence that AI (and phones) harms people's cognitive abilities. We don't want to create a whole generation of braindead morons.
Although this is antiai, I'm not even anti AI. Not anymore I'm anti any science. However, every tool has good ways to use it, and an infinite amount of terrible ways of using it. For example, a nailgun is basically a power-hammer. It's very useful, but there are so many ways it can be extremely harmful. You don't want to use it as the "magical cure" to all of your problems. That only creates more problems.
To protect people's brains, AI should be heavily regulated to be used where it's actually beneficial. Not just outsource human thinking. In the same vein, fuck social media and the attention economy. All of it has to go. The technology can still be used, it's just that we use the technology wrong. Like, nuclear energy is great, but nuclear weapons are horrible.
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u/StormyPassages Jul 04 '26
Banning it at these ages is necessary for learning development as children between the ages of 6 to 13 do not have the critical thinking skills to reject fascist AI agitprop.
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u/Complex_Hat_3012 Jul 04 '26
Why is an AI pic with no source popping up on my feed with so many upvotes from an anti AI sub?
I'm a Norwegian teacher, we just had some slight changes towards our national guidlines or what you may call it recently. The biggest change was that middle school/junior high have to learn to read and write code in words, not blocks. There's (supposedly) no phones in school in Norway anyways, and students were never allowed to use it to answer their works. Is this entire sub just AI bots cosplaying Anti-AI?
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u/DrJohnsonTHC Jul 07 '26
Amazing, honestly. There have been numerous studies on exactly how LLM use in the classroom degrades a childâs ability to critically think.
If tech companies (and corporations in general) didnât have such a big hand in steering political decisions around their products, then this would have a better chance at being implemented in more schools.
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u/Technical-Motor5944 Jul 03 '26
I'm afraid that this will lead to an ID age verification
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u/LatkeShark Jul 03 '26
It says in schools. I don't think schools are going to need to ID their 10 year olds.
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u/SkyFullOfWisteria Jul 03 '26
Exactly. Its just "think of the kids" being used to push futher surviellance and censorship online. If anything, banning cell phones and edu-tech from the classroom would be more benefical. Force people to interact with physical media and actually write and think again.
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u/GitEmSteveDave Jul 03 '26
EXACTLY. This is just like that "anti-AI-CP" law that Missouri is trying to pass which has a provision that every person in the state has to prove their age before creating ANY social media account, and anyone who argues with it is labeled a pedophile or being paid off by AI companies.
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u/GitEmSteveDave Jul 03 '26
The question to ask is HOW to enforce it. How do you prove the age? If it's just a check box, it's performative legislation and does nothing unless you can prove an AI company knew the users age somehow.
HOWEVER, if it requires ID, then it's just using kids as a backdoor to tie online identities and their data usage to actual people.
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u/Boxland Jul 04 '26
What is your source for this? What I can find is not really what's being conveyed by OP. This is a short summary of what I can find: The schools are recommended to limit the use of AI. Ages 6-12 should generally not use AI. Ages 13-15 can use AI in a gradual and careful way, assuming the teacher is competent with it themself. Ages 16-19 should learn how to use AI purposefully for academics and professional work. Source: https://www.udir.no/kvalitet-og-kompetanse/digitalisering-skole/kunstig-intelligens-i-skolen/kommer-nye-rad-om-bruk-av-kunstig-intelligens-pa-ulike-trinn/
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u/Imhotep99301 Jul 03 '26
They'll just use it at home.
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u/LittlespaceLadybuns Jul 03 '26
Its still less overall cognitove offloading, so not a cure, but defs a treatment.
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u/tc100292 Jul 03 '26
And kids at schools that implement cell phone bans can still use cell phones at home but theyâre still massively better off by not being able to use them in school
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u/Upset-Nose-4016 Jul 03 '26
I am at least hoping it won't be like in my uni when everyone knows that the majority of students use AI to write their essays, papers and so on but don't care at all. More serious and cautious at least
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u/Author_Noelle_A Jul 03 '26
Schools are starting to require reports be written by hand again. This doesnât mean that someone didnât generate with AI, but it at least means that theyâre having to read it.
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u/Upset-Nose-4016 Jul 03 '26
So true. For it's kinda inconvenient for me because I love my major and researching the topic I am writing about in my laptop, yet writing on paper is tedious.
I am an exception though so I am fully encouraging it
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u/Mo_Rutherford Jul 03 '26
The next several generations of Norwegian kids are going to be smarter and more balanced than American children.
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u/AmberMetalicScorpion Jul 03 '26
While I'm in full support of it ideally
I also know from living in the UK that this will not work
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u/TheodoraWimsey Jul 03 '26
This is the way. You need to have the skills to verify ai before you can meaningfully use ai in any context.
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u/alessandro05167 Jul 03 '26
Yeah it's very easy the reason.
In that age kids are learning how to think, how to do stuffs like math. Just like they can't use a calculator for math during a simple addition test.
The ai gives you the response, but if you can't understand if that response is what you need, than you are braindead.
It's topic supported from most of the pro ai comunity with some braincells
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u/BlueDragonfruit38 Jul 03 '26
The US prioritizes profit over the general welfare of people, so I doubt this would ever be implemented here.
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u/Sandman-san Jul 03 '26
Even adults who use AI have proved to show a decline in memory and perception, to the point of struggling to recall even what theyve asked. Ban AI altogether, regulate big tech, tax the rich
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u/under_hunter82376 Jul 03 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/XMmf6i3xuKZiPMvNZe
im neutral now , but this is GREAT news
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u/LatePresentation2669 Jul 03 '26
The title is misleading, no bans, but a recomandaition to the schools.
Im norwigan
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u/vampjoseph Jul 03 '26
good. gives them a chance to learn and use critical thinking before having ai do their thinking for them
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u/Significant_Ad_2715 Jul 03 '26
Norway is the most advanced country in the world to raise your kids. Across the board. No other country comes close
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u/Merosian Jul 03 '26
Assuming this just means LLMs. I feel like banning doesn't achieve much tbh, they'll still be in contact with it in their personal lives.
It would be far more helpful to teach them to use it correctly for educational purposes, triple check sources and engage in critical thinking. Of course, that's a lot easier said than done.
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u/polishfiringsquad Jul 03 '26
Why do they even need to do this? Just ban phones in school and they won't be able to use AI
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u/deny_by_default Jul 03 '26
As an adjunct professor at two universities, I say we need to do the same thing here in the U.S. itâs becoming painfully obvious that students arenât doing their own work anymore and just rely on AI to write everything for them.
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u/ConnerGoesSuperSonic Jul 03 '26
Good. AI should not be doing assignments for students, ESPECIALLY not in elementary/middle school
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u/BowsersMuskyBallsack Jul 03 '26
Absolutely fucking great, and I don't mean that sarcastically. AI is bad enough for most adults. It's an absolute fucking travesty for children. Kids need to be able to develop their minds appropriately so that they can learn, among other things, to recognise AI for the pitfall-laden mess that it is.
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u/Hot-Lawyer-3986 Jul 03 '26
Yes I strongly agree, adolescents and kids 16 and younger shouldn't spend.so much ti.e on social media and using AI for who knows what for,when I was growing up there were such things called Books, today everything is at their fingertips, I bet I can go online and earn any college degree i choose to have
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u/murderofhawks Jul 04 '26
How would you do this logistically? Sure you can block it on a school device but not personal devices. Parents will do anything to tip the scales in their childâs favor if they start falling behind what stops them from teaching them how to use AI so they can âlearnâ better as a way of helping.
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u/StargazingRainstorms Jul 03 '26
Can't wait for the US to MAYBE catch up on this in...20 years at the earliest