r/anticapitalism • u/MoneyLibrarian9032 • 8h ago
Thomas Massie Names 14 People as Epstein ‘Co-Conspirators,’ Moves to Force House Vote
https://www.lawcommentary.com/articles/thomas-massie-epstein-co-conspirators-house-vote68
u/Top_Television_6042 6h ago
It’s just such a glaring omission of the president’s name. And Clinton’s. And Alan Dershowitz. They are all names to look into. What about Melania’s ties to this situation? What about Paolo Zampoli and Amanda Ungaro? These names should be added to any investigative leads list. Ghislaine Maxwell went to Chelsea Clinton’s wedding for crying out loud. Trump is in the files more than anyone besides Epstein. What about these people? What about Trump’s modeling agency? His pageants? The accusations in the files about him? He was part of the network, no doubt. But thank you. This list is a fine start.
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u/HoundofGoy 6h ago
His list is carefully curated to omit anyone with relevance current day.
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u/DirkaDirkaMohmedAli 4h ago
There is little doubt in my mind that this man had his family threatened and he is dropping names people won't dismiss. Trump has been named, and every time his base just goes "must be fake."
Honestly, what incentive does he have for releasing those names right now? It's going to get him in life or death trouble, it's not going to diminish his support from their base, and it's not going to make people protest in the streets any more than they already are.
This sucks.
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u/Spreefor3 6h ago
I would only be ok with this if the strategy is to establish what we do with these people and then add the biggest fish.
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u/Bagmasterflash 6h ago
It’s important to stay alive long enough to build the momentum needed to go after the whales.
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u/Doctor_Philgood 6h ago
Yeah yeah, I've heard "justice takes time" and "one day they will be arrested" for about a decade plus now.
At some point we have to admit they will never see a jail cell, or even a fine.
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u/Klightgrove 6h ago
It’s 2026 and people still think the Clintons are orchestrating murders (or even involved in this at all).
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u/theRemRemBooBear 4h ago
Clinton was the governor when metric shit tons of drugs were imported into Arkansas and picked up by government officials
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u/sullw214 2h ago
St Ronnie the Demented was president when many metric tons of drugs were sold by the federal government to finance a civil war in direct opposition to US law. Are you saying that Clinton was selling drugs to the feds? Importing them to bumarkansistan to then export them?
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u/justreadinplease 4h ago
He’s out of congress in a few months so I don’t know what this POS is doing other than pretending to care about this for his future book deals and Fox consulting job. Dude is a grifter who voted with Trump 99% of the time and he’s a huge racist homophobe
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u/Deep_Yesterday6850 39m ago
Can I see evidence that Epstein and trump had any friendly communication after 2004? I’ve looked at the files and for the most part when Epstein himself is mentioning trump its scheming against him or whining about him. Why are people so convinced trump is an integral player in epsteins ring rather than just an asshole shielding other rich people when we have so much evidence released that does not at all point to a friendly relationship between these two?
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u/ShakesDontBreak 7h ago
Frederik Fekkai. So glad I stopped using this brand years ago.
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u/BobLoblawATX 6h ago
This one is a bit of a head-scratcher for me. When I googled it, it said that Epstein frequented the salon for himself and others and paid full price.
Im not seeing the crime there…
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u/AbortionHoagie 6h ago
I thought he had a big red button that would expose literally everything, and he has been hesitating to do anything about it because Republicans are liars and are also weak
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u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 6h ago
He’s just another piece of shit Republican at the end of the day. He tried to make himself look like a hero when his seat was threatened, but he’s been in Congress for a long time and he’s been enabling all of this until they turned on him.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 6h ago
Rooting for Massie against Trump is like rooting for Altman against Musk. Massie is as much or more of a fascist. That he’s also a contrarian makes him no kind of hero.
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u/Shoddy-Audience-3059 6h ago
He forgot Donald J Trump...
...but I think he knows he can't pull the sheep clothes off the wolf just yet.
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u/Professional-Box4153 6h ago
Exactly how many people have tried forcing White House votes now? Am I missing something? Has anything come out of any of them or is this just more political theater?
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u/Worldly-Fondant-3791 7h ago
Then he sucked the king pedos dick.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 7h ago
When?
He got primaried because he stands against him.
Focus on the people not doing this.
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u/Worldly-Fondant-3791 6h ago
He supported trumps reelection and voted with Trump 96% of the time. And he pushes all the same shit policies.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
The 5% he disagrees with is like 50% of our problems. Israel, epstein, and anti war.
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u/Worldly-Fondant-3791 5h ago
Um no. He mainly just did his libertarian nonsense. Didn’t even mention trumps name when listing Epsteins buddies. Stop trying to make this shit stain a thing. He’s as bad as all the rest of the republicans
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
Then why the fuck did trump primary and blacklist him?
This all or nothing mindset is maga bullshit. That's what passes me off about this. You don't have to kiss his ass but maybe at least look at the bigger picture here and appreciate what he's done because nobody else is doing it.
If it's not a big deal then why isn't anyone else doing it?
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u/Worldly-Fondant-3791 4h ago
No body else is doing? The entire opposition party is doing it and isn’t helping trump destroy the country
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 6h ago
Massie’s a bigot but as someone with Middle Eastern relatives, including queer ones, if it’s an either-or choice in this trolley problem I will choose the person less likely to bomb my relatives
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u/aipac125 7h ago
Lame duck develops morals.
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u/OrneryData994 7h ago
He ran on this platform. He didn’t just become this way after he lost.
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u/aipac125 7h ago
All republicans talk big and then vote with their party. Always have. They have no actual morals. Hold a vote to impeach, he will block it. Vote to block any Trump power grabs, he will block it. He just came to the stunning realization that aipac funding means voting against US interests and that the Republican party and half the Democratic party are on board with that. So now he wants to make noise before he is kicked out.
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u/surplecurious 7h ago
Funny, you must not have looked at his actual voting history. Typical redditor spouting meaningless bullshit that you’re “pretty sure of” though.
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u/WideHuckleberry1 6h ago
This is literally an example of the opposite, refuting "all" and "always."
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 7h ago
They primaried him because of this.
Show me all the reps standing up and doing what he's doing. Show me.
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u/ThatMakesMeM0ist 3h ago
It's insane seeing other comments calling him a "Fascist" with no morals. Where are all the others stepping up apart from Ro Khanna? Makes me wonder if it's a bot campaign against him or just highly regarded redditors being their usual self. Or both.
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u/aipac125 7h ago
Did he vote with Democrats against his party?
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 7h ago
Yes. Many times. On a lot of legislation that even all democrats didn't.
Try keeping up with events.
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u/CupKitchen9964 6h ago
He voted in lockstep with R’s like 95% of the time. The only thing he doesn’t agree with is Epstein shit.
Mr “Leftist.” Must be an ancap or something no other leftists agrees is on the left
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 6h ago
He's opposes Epsteinism for his own political reasons. He's done nothing in regard to the far vaster issue, & his anti-queer hate politics, extreme MAHAism, & commitment to Christian nationalist ideas of wifely "submission" & kids' "obedience" tell you where he's really at
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u/375InStroke 4h ago
Where's the Democrats outshining him right now? Most of them are attacking Hassan Piker more then they are Trump and the rest of the pedos.
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u/CupKitchen9964 4h ago
I mean sure, if you only care about virtue signaling and making it look like opposition, while supporting 90+% of their votes and you know Christian nationalism. I care more about their actual votes then how their words make you feel champ
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u/375InStroke 3h ago
All I care about is your life controlled by a pedophile while you defend Democrats protecting him. Respect the policy, not the man. At this time, I respect this policy. Where are the Dems on policy? They're MAGA lite attacking the left more than they are Republicans. I guess having pedos run the country makes you feel good, champ.
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u/CupKitchen9964 3h ago
… as I already showed you voting exactly the same as Massie, just not while supporting Trump, MAHA, or Christian nationalism lol.
You’re literal astroturfed opposition or just the simplest of simps on this website
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u/375InStroke 3h ago
I never voted for Massie, chief. I also don't defend pedos. Why do you?
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
He's better on Israel and is more anti war than the democratic establishment
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u/CupKitchen9964 4h ago
lol huh? Pretty sure his bill limiting war powers was literally sponsored by… an establishment dem.
You’re just making shit up
The same bill that was voted for by 210 democrats and 4 republicans…
Again I care about their actual voting records not whatever virtue signaling you’re going about. His votes have supported Christian nationalism and other maga movements. Period.
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u/GravyMcBiscuits 6h ago edited 3h ago
Is this the part where democrat loyalists find a reason to complain about one of the only guys in congress actually doing anything about this?
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u/aipac125 6h ago
It's a recognition that these people have no actual humanity. They vote what helps them individually. If it sometimes helps others, they will take the PR.
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u/GravyMcBiscuits 6h ago edited 5h ago
Does this apply to Massie? Do you know anything about him? Do you know what rights are? Do you think arguing in support of rights is a demonstration that a person "have no actual humanity"?
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u/Crafty-Cookie2600 4h ago
Why the hell did he stop at 14!? Why didn't he just read all of them!?!? Why the fuck are we not rounding them up!?
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u/ThorKonnatZbv 3h ago
I hope Massie has good bodyguards to prevent him from "falling" from a window or similar
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 7h ago
Thomas Massie has done more for us than most of the democratic establishment.
Come at me shitlibs
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u/boomnachos 6h ago
Lib here. I have no problem with you thinking that. That seems like a pretty normal political perspective for a conservative to have.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 6h ago edited 5h ago
Talking shit about the democratic establishment is what any reasonable leftist does.
I'll take the republican that consistently votes against war over the hawks and epstein class enablers like Schumer and Jeffries.
The only reason the epstein files aren't buried is because of Massie and Khanna. They're also the only reason we ever got a vote on Iran.
- enter the whataboutism. Blue maga playbook
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u/Slooters313 6h ago
And how many other "Republicans" have done this that are sitting in office?
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 6h ago
I'm not talking about any of them.
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u/Slooters313 6h ago
Because there aren't any
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 6h ago
I never said there were. He's an outlier, unfortunately.
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u/Slooters313 6h ago
But you give grace to them while adamantly attacking the other party who has many members voting alongside him. It completely invalidates yourself and just makes you look like another hypocrite who can't get over their own propaganda fueled biases.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
Wtf are you talking about? You can be critical of everything, and people should be.
People shouldn't have to shit on Republicans as a requisite to shit on the democratic establishment. You can do both.
You have no fucking clue about me and it's ignorant af to jump to such assumptions. If anything it speaks to your lack of general insight.
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u/Strange-Flamingo5020 3h ago
And you dont need to shit on democrats to show support to a singular republican...
"Thomas Massie is great unlike all the democrats" being followed up by "enter the whataboutism" absolutely reeks of bias and hypocrisy
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u/Slooters313 5h ago
That's disingenous when from your dozens of comments you're only being critical of one group and started doing so unprompted. Figure your shit out dude. You have an obvious bias and you come off as a joke.
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u/jaime_diaz27 5h ago
I don’t see why you’re being downvoted. You’re right lol. The most democrats and republicans are spineless cucks right now and are letting Trump run this country into the ground
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u/poison_cat_ 6h ago
100000% agree - a leftist
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 6h ago
What's it even matter what I am? It changes nothing of what I said.
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u/fridder 6h ago
It matters because finding a sane person on the right feels like finding a fucking unicorn
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u/Brettsterbunny 6h ago
Because it’s literally impossible to be sane and maga. Those things are mutually exclusive. You can find a few right leaning libertarians like Massie who are “sane”, but most Republicans care more about locking up transgenders and immigrants than they do prosecuting anyone connected to Epstein.
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u/CupKitchen9964 6h ago
Don’t worry you didn’t it’s not-like behavior. “I’m a leftist, and here’s why I voted Republican!”
Same thing with all the leftists who refused to vote Kamala for… reasons
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
It's dumb af to assume that. I was happily able to vote for good candidates for the first time in 26 years. My vote helped unseat a 30 year establishment democrat this cycle.
I'm not a republican or Democrat. I'm part of the over half of the country that hates them both.
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u/bigfatfurrytexan 4h ago
It’s reasonable in general for the last 16-20 years. Trump is in office because the democrats tripped over themselves to fuck it up on at least three occasions. If it’s not on purpose that’s even scarier.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 6h ago
Massie is a reminder that republicans have lowered the bar so low that the acceptable threshold has become whether or not they support sex trafficking and pedophili
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u/Individual_Respect90 6h ago
We don’t really care who gives out more information. Tomorrow if JD Vance decided to be a good person and released all the redacted files and could prove they were real I would respect him. I still wouldn’t vote for him because he helped got us all in this mess but I would respect him.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
That's totally reasonable. I'm not asking anyone to vote for Massie. He does deserve some credit though for what he has done. If we shit on the few that do this stuff then why the fuck would anyone else? He's already lost his job and been blackballed. He's not gaining shit from any of this that I can see.
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u/Individual_Respect90 5h ago
I don’t know enough about Massie’s political views but if we are going off just morals I would vote Massie. He lost his job pursing the Epstein files and I think that’s very noble.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
If we ever wanna fix anything then we need to embrace stuff like what Khanna and Massie have done. Venerate the Republicans that are willing to work on mutual interests.
I disagree with most of his policies, but what I agree with him on is huge. Like the real bigger picture issues like anti war, corruption, corporate takeover, and in general fighting the epstein class.
We can argue about the rest after that stuff is sorted out
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u/ChoombataNova 5h ago
I think Massie has done as much as any Democrat, but only because his career in the Republican party is over. And I think every elected Democrat and Republican (Massie included) has failed this moment.
If members of the House and Senate have accessed the unredacted files, I think they owe us a legitimate summary.
What is the worst thing in the files? Is there clear photo evidence of child SA? How many? And who are the perps?
Are there financial crimes documented? Blackmail? Embezzlement? Money laundering? Tax evasion? From whom?
Are there national security implications? Was Mossad involved? Russian intelligence (KGB, FSB)? CIA? MI6? Other foreign intelligance?
Those would be the 3 large questions, and so far we have little but inneundo.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
You should read more into it. They're restricting what Congress can see as well. They gave them hour time slots to view millions of files and they were still redacted. That's how bad this is. They can't even see them either.
People in general have no idea how fucked up all this is and I don't blame them. It's taken an emotional toll being somewhat informed on this shitshow.
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u/ChoombataNova 5h ago
That tracks, but it means THEY (elected Senators and Reps) and WE (the American people) should be fighting harder for it. Unfortunately, the Epstein files are not the only problem in the world, and most of us have either given up entirely, or put it so far away on the back burner that nothing will happen until the last of these evil fuckers are dead.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5h ago
The distractions worked well.
People are so focused on getting by they don't have the emotional capacity for the crazy shit going on below the surface. Tale as old as time.
Imo we have more momentum and hope than in decades, so hopefully November ends well and we still have a country
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u/rhydderch_hael 4h ago
He's still a racist America First piece of shit who think that lynching black people isn't a hate crime, that Ukraine deserved to be invaded by Russia because he believes that Ukraine was creating chemical weapons to use on Russians, defended Kyle Rittenhouse, thinks that The Big Beautiful bill wasn't conservative enough, thinks climate change is a hoax, is against birthright citizenship, and a million more heinous positions. Just because he aligns with you on one or two things does not make him a good person or a man of character. He's still a fascist piece of human garbage.
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u/Kekspirat87 3h ago
I feel like you do not really care and just want to shitstir, because you consumed lots of media telling you 'america bad' - but let me try to bridge the gap:
Dems DO care and Dems DO help. Politics is hard and way more complicated than any populist cares to explain. If you care being governed by a lawful state, sadly due process takes time and slows down any process more than we would like. That is exactly why the investigation into the Epstein thing was still ongoing when Trump got reelected.
If you want to be angry at someone, be angry at Russia for the Ukraine Invasion, be angry at Trump and China for botching the Covid outbreak, be angry at Israel for sabotaging Bidens peace plans, holding out for a second Trump term. And most importantly in my mind: Be angry with foreign subversive media campaigns that use bots and influencer campaigns to weaken US and western society.
A great example is the big AI outrage. Yes, there are big challenges for humanity with the advent of generative AI. BUT data centre water consumption or pollution is a red herring. Big construction projects will inevitably affect the aquifer in the surrounding areas and thus cause disruptions with well water. But the public here on reddit and other terminally ill online spaces talks about data centres like they are just spilling pollutants down the drain when that is just not the case.
However everything data centre could be addressed when we just stay factual and let experts do the expert work. It would just be so much easier, if we just did not have the orange blight coming right from the oval office, giving the tech bros a blank check for everything.If you care enough, there is a strong case that US born billionaire Neville Roy Singham and his surrogate Eric Hovagim and leading a concerted effort in the interests of China to push the western public against AI progress. But thats all semi-conspiracist, so i wont bore you anymore. If youre curious look into Hovagim, he talks semi-openly about it on many podcasts.
In our modern times there has been only one time when the Dems held a filibuster proof majority - it lasted only 72 days. They passed the ACA in during that slimmest of margins. Give them a chance and they will prove their worth. Do not delude yourself into thinking both sides are the same and all those stupid "cut a lib and a fascist bleeds" bullshit truisms tankies tell to self soothe.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 3h ago
This is like a promo for AI
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u/Kekspirat87 1h ago
i prefer anti-misinformation, but thanks for the thorough reply. Just trying to challenge you to look past the headlines. Stuff is complicated, stuff is hard, experts are valid.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 1h ago
Nothing matters until we have a party that isn't beholden to corporate interests. Really not much point talking about much else.
That's kinda the point with Massie. At least he has the integrity to stand up to the epstein class.
Maybe one day we can trust ai. That day is not today.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 6h ago
Massie does not have character. He's a fascist. His hatred of Epstein converges with anti-fascists hatred of Epstein but does not come from the same place. In that regard, he was a useful tool. He is a white supremacist, openly anti-semitic fascist
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u/lumpychicken13 2h ago
As an Ohio State alum and massive football fan I really wish the university would sever ties with Les Wexner but he’s a massive donor with his name on half the campus so it seems unlikely
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u/yomommasbathwater 1h ago
Is he entering his “burn it all down” phase?
Remember everyone, he only waited until after he wasn’t reelected to show a spine, which is pretty usual for one of these scumbags
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u/MoneyLibrarian9032 8h ago
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
Daniel Siad
David Copperfield
Edoardo Teodorani-Fabbri
Frédéric Fekkai
Glenn Dubin
Jean-Luc Brunel
James "Jes" Staley
Lapo Elkann
Leon Black
Les Wexner
Lesley Groff
Ramsey Elkholy
Tom Pritzker