r/cheesemaking 6h ago

Advice Question: Cheddar with Slight Bulge Normal?

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I did this traditional cheddaring process, 1st time cheddaring. Rearranged every 15 mins for 1.2 hours.

Recipe used re-cultured buttermilk (that's what I use for all my mesophilic culture).

There is no off smell. It has that nice cheese smell I always get at this stage. I air-dry for about 50 hours (2+ days).

Is that tiny bulge normal? I have never seen it before. The texture is also a little spongy.

I did curds from the same batch, and those are good.


r/cheesemaking 14h ago

Ned Palmer: Cheese Tasting, Critique and Insight

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This post is to boost Ned Palmer author of Cheesemakers History of the British Isles, Cheesemongers Tour de France, Cheesemongers Compendium of British & Irish Cheeses; a genuinely wonderful, warm and brilliantly clever guy - and his curated cheese business The Cheese Tasting Company; and share the feedback I got from his very insightful and expert critique of my cheeses.

I'd intended to do a small dinner at the Travellers Club Library for a visiting friend/cheese dignitary (just our two families at her request - I had dancing elephants, orangutans with trombones and other pomp and circumstance in mind as befitted her status) and had asked Ned if he might give a talk/tasting on the history of the British Isles and its cheeses and join us for the evening. For reasons beyond anyone's control, it fell through as the other couple had to return home with some urgency. Ned generously changed the arrangements and gave Jo, I and our three boys his talk at our home, and further agreed to taste and critique my cheeses at the same time. The opportunity to get an informed and honest critique of my cheeses from someone in the know was a priceless opportunity, and Ned didn't disappoint on any level.

It was a unique and thought provoking experience. Ned is eloquent, passionate and has a deep and fascinating perspective on cheese, it's place in history as well as a wealth of anecdotes about the cheese-making and mongering community in the UK and abroad. We went from Neolithic to Roman, Edwardian, post-War, Modern and Avant-garde cheeses, tasting examples made in those styles with intent, and guided by a discussion on the time, tools, processes, and restrictions of each era. An absorbing, illuminating and delicious journey.

I forgot to take pictures unfortunately as I was flapping about logistics, so I'm posting a montage of online images of each of his cheeses and the photos he took of my boards. His selections were tremendous. If you get a chance, absolutely give them a try. The Yoredale, Brightwell and Spenwood were our favourites (I'm in Berkshire; and no we're not called "hunts"; so I'm going to be a little biased on that last one).

If you have the opportunity to attend or commission a talk by Ned, I'd urge you to do so. There's cheese tasting, and then there is the incomparable journey of intentionally tasting cheese led by an expert historian and cheesemonger on how and why each cheese tastes as it does, where it comes from, and how those cheeses are relate to each other and to who we are today. Ned is also an expert oenologist and his wine pairings were uncanny. It was an evening of eye-opening discovery.

If you can't do either, definitely read the books: they're learned, light-hearted, transporting, and engrossing; that is how I every enjoyably learnt of Ned in the first place, I promise they won't disappoint.

On to my cheeses: Ned went through most of them. He was very flattering overall, even though I felt these recent ones have fallen far short of my zenith. He was a little astonished at how far a hobbyist could come in 18 months, though you guys, having seen my lows, know better. He loved the Crottin, and thought some of the territorials as well as Todds (u/Best_Reality_78) Coconut Gouda were "smashing", though he'd have liked to taste more coconut in the latter. The pressed lactic goats milk was delicious but claggy, and he suggested changing it to a goats milk Tomme to preserve the flavour profile but make easier eating.

The Flor Azul, he pointed out had a soapy finish which slighlty spoiled a really terrific initial flavour. This is down to insufficiently wide piercing and an attempt to "Stilton" the cheese by closing the piercings, and accidentally halting beta-carboxylization in the lipolysis. Knowing that it's there, I was able to track down the cause and will now be able to fix it. The sherry and natural rinded Caciotta he was quite taken with while pointing out they weren't actually Caciotta and the Sao Jorge he was kindly able to describe in more detail so I can do the next one so it actually resembles a cheese I've never tried in person.

He also concurred that I'm over-acidifying curds and under-expelling whey. Something I suspected strongly, and the scale of which was confirmed by our recent holiday to Piedmont in Italy, where I got to try every day cheeses like Crescenza, Primo Sale and Caciotta. The flavouring is very delicate and gentle and the Caciotta is extremely elastic. Style-wise very different from my intensely lactic and fudgy productions. I need to stir more vigorously and frequently due to the nature of the milk I'm using (homogenized, pasteurised) and so need to take longer and run lower innoculation rates.

YMMV, but my major takeaway is that you most likely already know whats wrong with your cheeses, and how to make them better, sometimes you just need a reason to look critically.

Sorry this is long-winded and only peripherally cheese-making related. It sort of sits between r/cheese and r/cheesemaking so I might post on both. I'm sure the mods will set me right if I'm crossing any lines.

And hopefully I'll get a chance to host my pals again in the future and share some of this experience with them too.


r/cheesemaking 21h ago

Mesophilic Cheese Curds

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I have been making cheese and keep forgetting to take pics. I recently did a walnut gouda, pistachio gouda and a couple ricotta salata. I also did a scotch bonnet cheddar (not pictured).

It has been really relaxing.

I thought squeaky curds needed thermophilic culture. I learnt here that mesophilic works!

And yes, I can definitely say it does!! šŸ˜šŸ˜‹šŸ˜‹šŸ˜

The pic is scotch bonnet cheese curds.

My favourite flavoured cheese to make is scotch bonnet. I'll probably be making at least 1 per month.


r/cheesemaking 1d ago

A few cheeses from last week.

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Some cheeses from the past couple weeks. We’ll start with the Cotswold, then move on to the goat milk Tomme with an ale wash, and finally the ibores with smoked Spanish paprika and olive oil rub.


r/cheesemaking 1d ago

Cheese on Lees

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I'm probably crazy for attempting this but I made a semi-alpine wheel of cheese and am aging it in the fermented pomace from some fruit wine I made with hand picked apples, blackberries, huckleberries, salal berries, raw honey, and some cooked whey relying solely on wild yeast. The coverage of the cheese by the pomace isn't perfect but I plan on making some cider soon so I'll have some more fermented pomace to add to it.


r/cheesemaking 17h ago

Advice Cheese press recommendations

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Can anyone recommend a good quality cheese press which can be set to specific weights and that will take a good sized mould (200mm diameter)?

Thanks


r/cheesemaking 1d ago

Advice Lactic Blue Cheese attempt

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Note the yellow/orange growth on the first picture, is that the b. linens i keep hearing about? Its definitely not intentional but may have something to do with ocassional contact with my container sides, should i wipe that down with vinegar or should i let it ride?

Been making a yoghurt cultured surface ripened blue cheese at home. Innoculated the curds while draining and salting with a whey based spore wash mixed with some danablu. My cheese was based on a yoghurt cheese, curds were cultured in yoghurt before extracting my first yield of curds, then i reclaimed the remaining curds using vinegar on the whey for more yield. I used 1L of homogenized, pasteurised milk which gave me 178g of total cheese.

Blue began appearing on day 7 and im now on day 13. I've been aging it in my crisper drawer due to how hot it is here (room temp avg. 30 atm) I ventilate for 5-10mins and flip my wheel daily so my spores don't suffocate, what are some next steps to consolidate the natural rind?

I know its pretty unconventional for ricotta/yoghurt cheese style blues but i based it mostly on David Ashers yoghurt blue recipe and this bleu ricotta salata i found online https://ultimatefoodgeek.com/2014/01/30/how-to-make-aged-cheese-black-and-bleu-ricotta-salata/


r/cheesemaking 2d ago

First Wheel My first cheese

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Made my first cheese, a small mozzarella from 500ml milk.

Make with vinegar and no rennet as was late night idea.

How do people stretch their mozzarella without burning their hands.


r/cheesemaking 2d ago

Colby- Last try

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My third and final attempt at Colby. The first two have been colossal failures and if this one sucks, I’m done. I followed a new recipe to the T and felt like I was stirring for hours, but maybe it was worth it. This one is holding its shape and has started forming a good rind after brining. Colby has been my nemesis- fingers crossed on this one.


r/cheesemaking 2d ago

Experiment Would this be edible?

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So, I’m taking a class on fermentation at NAU, and I have a project to make cheese coming up. I decided to start early so that I don’t get swamped with homework later on

I don’t have access to rennet, and am not in a position where I can get some, but I’m thinking of making something that…well, to the untrained eye, could pass as a hard cheese? And uses hard cheese methods of pressing and aging, uses plain Greek yogurt as a culture, but uses apple cider vinegar as a coagulant (all I have access to right now)

Assuming I aged it for at least two months and used a makeshift ā€œcollege dormā€ cheese press, would this end up something edible? Assuming I treated it for any mold properly, would this, idk, poison the class?

Note, the grade depends on a taste test—it doesn’t have to be phenomenal or recognizably any current form of cheese, it just has to be ā€œyep, that’s cheeseā€ and not give anyone/everyone food poisoning


r/cheesemaking 3d ago

Camembert

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Made a couple of Camembert’s 4 days ago and starting to see the white fuzz. Used the New England Cheese recipe and seems to have worked well. Couple of questions - is there any way to stop it sticking to the mats? I’m turning often but they’re starting to stick a little and also am I right in keeping these in a box in the wine fridge now rather than regular fridge? Thank you


r/cheesemaking 3d ago

Advice Danisco PLA LYO 2 D (Choozit cheese cultures) - advice needed

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I have made a Gruyere and done the 1st and 2nd saltings. Next is to wash the rind with the ripening culture, but I am not clear what concentration to make up to make the wash solution. The packet I have is 2g and I think it needs to be dissolved in saline, but I am not sure how much.

Does anyone use this ripening culture? If so, how do I make it up?

Thanks

EDIT: I think I have this figured out now thanks. I'm using 20mg of the culture powder in 500ml of 3% saline solution


r/cheesemaking 3d ago

My first blue!

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r/cheesemaking 4d ago

GruyĆØre today

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12 litres raw milk yielded 1.3 kg after pressing


r/cheesemaking 3d ago

Advice Clabber

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I was able to find raw milk and I would like to start a clabber . Any advice or suggestions? Tia!


r/cheesemaking 4d ago

Advice Best Milk for Cottage Cheese?

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Hi everyone I am going to make some cottage cheese this weekend.

I live in the UK and have been loving the Piątnica Serek Wiejski.

What milk should I use to get a nice creamy cottage cheese like this?


r/cheesemaking 4d ago

Advice Curdled Milk Cheese?

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Hello all!
So I raise Nigerian Dwarf goats because I’m very lactose intolerant and can tolerate goat milk. I’m very new to the world of milk handling and making stuff with it. Here I was attempting to make evaporated milk with my pasteurized goat milk, and I guess it got too hot/I didn’t stir it enough and it separated. What can I make with the curds? I have cheesecloth so I currently have the curds in one and I pressed them to get some of the liquid out.
Thanks in advance!


r/cheesemaking 5d ago

How long to brine

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I have a caciotta style cheese 18 x7.5 and weighing 1.4 kg. It is somewhat high moisture. What is the recommended brining time? One source says 4 hours, but that seems scant to me.


r/cheesemaking 5d ago

To wrap my gorgonzola in foil or not?

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Hey all, I made my first gorgonzola, it is 2 months old at this point, has been pierced for 6 weeks. I will age it for a further month. The recipe does not say to wrap the cheese in foil, but i have heard that if i wrap it after 2 months of the total 3 months of aging, it will preserve a moist curd better. I am concerned about blocking off the holes from oxygen and the resulting lesser development of blue mold spores. What are your opinions on this? Also, the holes i pierced tend to close over time, is this normal?


r/cheesemaking 5d ago

Aas Ccp Exam

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r/cheesemaking 6d ago

Trying to figure out why rind is so often cracked?

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This never used to happen before but has been happening many times recently and with a variety of different cheese styles. i am trying to research why it could be that this is happening, but i cannot figure it out. Could anyone help me with this? Of course I would like to try describe my process but this has happened on many different cheese styles, all with different processes, yet the same thing happens.


r/cheesemaking 6d ago

Cultured Butter

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Not exactly cheese but definitely cheese adjacent. They say that you shouldn't make your own butter but I couldn't disagree more. I've made cultured butter a number of times now and the flavor is very rich compared to store bought butter and it's really quite simple with a KitchenAid. I've been using store bought heavy cream and my clabber culture but I plan to try and separate my own cream from the milk I get for cheesemaking as it's likely higher quality. What partially skimmed milk cheeses have/do people make and like?


r/cheesemaking 6d ago

First attempts at natural rinds, outcomes

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I need to ask a question of the experts here please. In photo#1 does that look like b.linens on the rind?

Because I haven't ever bought or used it before! If it is b.linens it must have come from the wild. I've ordered it now though because I want to try making raclette. My aging fridges seem to be populated with geotrichum, p. Roqueforte and PC.

I've been experimenting with natural rinds the last few months and am now starting to cut and eat some of them. They all taste really good and visitors to our house are eagerly taking home wedges after a taste.

These are experimental and sadly I'm really awful at keeping make records because I have my own cow I'm making 2 wheels a week at the moment just to keep up with the milk tsunami, juggling around my job and homestead chores. I'm not making any specific cheese type, just smashing them out like a production line.

The "Recipe":

Usually 4 gallons of full cream raw milk cultured with clabber (although I threw in some flora danica and propionic a couple of times for fun), washed curd, first press under the warm whey and then brined after pressing. Aging is wash with brine a few times, then eventually olive oil and just pat and brush for the last month or so.

I've ordered Caldwell's Mastering Artisan Cheesemaking book and eagerly waiting for it to arrive in the post.


r/cheesemaking 6d ago

Album Here's my Asiago Pepato

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I made it sime days ago and put it in salt brine then.

Today I brushed with a strong salt brine over so I had to take it out and took a snapshot.

(pictures from the making and pressing attached also)


r/cheesemaking 7d ago

Homemade Cheddar

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Hello guys! I'll share my newest cheese with you.

This is my first time making cheddar (I found it way more difficult than the gouda I usually do). I melted the pig fat myself so as to let it develop in the traditional way. Since it was my first time melting fat, it ended up being a little darker than I expected and with a stronger (although not rotten) smell. I hope that’s not severe.

The curds were perfectly compacted in the press

I'm planning on letting them at least one year before trying them. The final picture is with the pork fat applied.

What do you think?