r/consciousness 1d ago

Announcement New Moderation Staff: Under New Management

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Hello everyone,

We want to announce some changes to the subreddit:

New Moderation Staff

Please give a warm welcome to the new additions to the moderation staff: u/themindin1500words, u/FourOpposums, & u/Messier_Mystic.

  • u/themindin1500words has written many of our wiki entries on basic neuroscience concepts and contributed to our recommended media list. Check out both if you haven't done so already.
  • u/FourOpposums is in the process of writing the wiki entry on the hippocampus. Here are some examples of the posts they've submitted to the subreddit in the past: this, this, and this. These are the types of high-quality posts we hope to see on the subreddit more often.
  • u/Messier_Mystic is an active contributor on the subreddit. They recently wrote a post clarifying our rule, as well as posts on illusionism (which is also an example of the type of high-quality post we're hoping to see more of on the subreddit).

While our current moderation staff is capable, we're open to adding additional moderators in the future. For anyone interested, please send us a message via ModMail.

In addition to our new human moderators, we've also added some bots to help us moderate the subreddit, such as Bot Bouncer (which should help us remove bot accounts).

Rules & Community Description

Our new (current) community description is:

A subreddit for discussing work in neuroscience, psychology, and philosophy of mind regarding consciousness and mental phenomena (including animal minds).

This does not include discussions on the Supernatural (e.g., paranormal, psi research, or odd personal anecdotes), Practices (e.g., meditation techniques, religion, and spirituality), Medical Advice (e.g., psychiatric or mental health advice), Drugs (e.g., psychedelics), and so on. Violating posts will be removed.

So, for example, we will accept posts that discuss or question neuroscientific, psychological, or philosophical work on perception & perceptual experiences, emotions & emotional experiences, bodily sensations, cognition, attention, imagination, introspection, memory, and various other mental phenomena.

Our (current) rules are:

  1. Stay on topic; posts should match the community description
  2. Be civil; attack the content, not the Redditor
  3. Spamming Content or Duplicate Posts (will be deleted)
  4. Missing summary, abstract, or TL;DR (will be deleted)

Basically, we've reset the rules to where they were a few years ago.

Share Your Ideas

In addition to the new moderation staff, we would like to hear from you. We're open to taking some suggestions & ideas on how to improve the subreddit. Or do you have any questions or comments? Do we need to add rules? Are there questions about the rules? Do you have suggestions on how to increase the number of higher-quality posts? Should we schedule regular mega threads? Do you think the changes we've made will be bad for the subreddit? Tell us; we want to hear from you!

For example, we saw Redditors express their concerns, suggestions, & questions on u/Messier_Mystic's post about our current rules.

  • There was a question about how we would enforce rule (1). A concern about consciousness research that focuses on psychedelics. And a suggestion that Redditors break up long texts using paragraphs.
    • In terms of rule (1), it is in the poster's best interest that they stress (as strongly as possible) how the content of their post is related to academic work on consciousness. So, this will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
      • Additionally, we get a lot of people sharing their pet theories on here. On the one hand, we've seen a lot of complaints about this. There are many Redditors who don't want to see this type of content on the subreddit. On the other hand, this makes up a lot of the content on the subreddit, and a few Redditors have expressed how much they enjoy seeing this type of content on the subreddit. So, if there were stricter moderation for these types of posts, we would need others to contribute more to make up for the lack of content.
    • In terms of psychedelics, we will also moderate this on a case-by-case basis. Again, it behooves the poster to stress how their post is connected to existing academic discussions of consciousness. We're also looking for good quality research when it comes to these types of posts. The reason this is listed as prohibited is due to past posts where the discussion was anecdotal stories about drug use or soliciting advice on how to use such drugs.
    • In terms of paragraphs, we think this is good advice! However, we're not going to make a rule to enforce good writing. People are less likely to engage with a post if it's hard to read.

So, please feel free to comment with any ideas, suggestions, concerns, or questions you have for us.

Wiki Entries

Last year, we started building out our wiki. Included in this was the idea that we would make a space for Redditors to write short, entry-level articles on specific topics (under 1,000 words).

  • Roughly, the articles were meant to be written for an audience ranging from laypeople to second-year college students, and were supposed to be a starting point (something similar to 1000 Word Philosophy, but for the topic of consciousness) for those interested in the topic. These entries were never meant to be a substitute for other encyclopedias, like the Stanford Encyclopedia, but more of a jumping-off point since those encyclopedias are written for academics.

Since then, we've written some entries & have the AutoMod link to them occasionally. This was meant to include entries on:

Of course, writing & moderating these posts requires a tremendous effort.

We want to know if there is still interest in this project, and if so, who would be willing to help. If there is still enough interest in this project, then we may create a pinned post that acts as a sign-up sheet, where Redditors can request to write or edit various entries. Or, if there is no longer any interest in this, then the moderation staff can focus their time & energy on other matters.


r/consciousness 14h ago

Penrose’s theory of consciousness supported by new quantum evidence

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r/consciousness 6h ago

Do you think bacterias and viruses have rudimentar consciousness?

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When we observe how living organisms interact with their surroundings, we usually recognize awareness through an ability to perceive external stimuli, process that information, and adapt behavior accordingly. Bacteria and viruses, despite lacking brains or nervous systems, possess molecular components that perform functions strikingly similar to those underlying perception in larger animals. Bacteria, for instance, utilize specialized protein receptors on their outer cell walls that act like primitive sensory organs, allowing them to detect changes in light, temperature, pH levels, and chemical concentrations. They process these signals through internal cascades of proteins and changes in electrical membrane potential, a mechanism remarkably analogous to how electrical impulses travel through animal neurons. Even viruses, which sit at the edge of life, feature intricate structural protein shapes on their surfaces that dynamically respond to physical triggers, binding to target host cells with astonishing selectivity. If basic awareness is broadly understood as an organism's capacity to receive environmental inputs and react through internal physical pathways rather than behaving like inert matter, these microscopic entities demonstrate the core operational building blocks required for basic interaction with reality.

​This idea becomes more plausible when examining analogous structures across the spectrum of living organisms where awareness exists without a centralized brain. Plants transmit bioelectrical signals across their vascular systems to alert distant leaves of pest damage, while simple invertebrates like jellyfish rely on decentralized nerve nets to navigate and capture prey without any central brain processing. In a similar biological spirit, bacteria use ion channels, biochemical feedback loops, and genetic switches to mimic neural processes on a microscopic scale. They can store rudimentary molecular memories of past exposure to stressors like antibiotics, adjust their swimming vectors to move toward nutrients or away from harmful substances, and modify their cellular machinery to survive changing environments. Viruses similarly undergo physical conformational changes in response to environmental cues, triggering specific biological actions upon encountering host cells. These biochemical mechanisms serve the exact same evolutionary function as human sense organs and reflex arcs: bridging the world outside with an organized internal response, suggesting that the functional machinery of experience might operate even at the single-cell or viral level.

​Ultimately, deciding whether these complex molecular responses translate into genuine subjective awareness remains completely undecidable and unfalsifiable. Because consciousness is intrinsically subjective, an inner, private sense of "what it feels like" to exist, science can only observe external behaviors, structural mechanisms, and chemical reactions. We currently have no objective instrument capable of measuring subjective inner life, nor can we design an empirical experiment that could definitively confirm or rule out the presence of conscious experience in a bacterium or virus. Any argument asserting that physical signaling creates a tiny spark of subjective feeling is an unfalsifiable premise, as no physical evidence could ever distinguish an organism with real inner experience from a purely mechanical, unfeeling biological machine. While bacteria and viruses clearly possess functional analogs to the sensory and signaling networks seen in conscious animals, whether they experience even the most rudimentary form of consciousness remains a mystery permanently beyond the boundaries of scientific verification.


r/consciousness 2h ago

William James + Henri Bergson + Carl Jung + Erwin Schrödinger + David Bohm + Itzhak Bentov + Roger Penrose + Jacobo Grinberg + Federico Faggin = ?

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Hi all, I’ll preface this by saying that the topic of what we are and why we are is something that haunts me since I have memory, that said I have only relatively recently started looking into this more deeply so I’m a newbie here.

The question is in the title. All these thinkers come from very different backgrounds and approached the problem from completely different angles, yet they seem to repeatedly converge on a similar idea: Consciousness may not be a by-product of the brain, but connected to something more fundamental underlying our physical reality.

I’m deliberately not getting too caught up in how this could work as fascinating as it is.
That’s where their theories obviously diverge and where you can get sidetracked into (very interesting) rabbit holes of quantum mechanics, quantum fields, information, spacetime, etc.

What interests me is the common thread itself.
Could what we’re experiencing as physical reality actually be the emergent/experienced layer of something more fundamental, an underlying infinite layer of possibilities from which matter and our experience of reality arises? I’m guessing quantum physics calls it the quantum field?

And if so, are these thinkers essentially describing different parts/stages of the same underlying phenomenon?

I know a pattern doesn’t constitute scientific proof but this is a concept that has been a common thread amongst humans for more than 5000 years since Advaita Vedanta if not earlier, surviving repeatedly the transition across religions, philosophies and sciences. So I’m beginning to wonder if maybe we should start paying attention to that fundamental concept.

Curious to see other people’s thoughts on this.


r/consciousness 5h ago

Reverse consciousness thought experiment

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Most of us assume other people are having phenomenal consciousness, they do feel things as they happen, they’re not just biological machines, however, except for your own experience, you’ll never be able to check wether anybody else feels something as well sure you can verify the other person’s internal and external signals do match with yours but you can’t be sure. Most people just believe other people feel as well
The question I d ask here is wether we could detect if someone who lives in reversed time would actually have a different behavior. Picture this : before undoing an action, this person remembers it more and more and then undoes it, finally that person wants to do it and then the idea just fades.

Is this one thing you guys just assume? What’s your thoughts on this? Do you have any references about such a though experiment?


r/consciousness 16h ago

What makes an AI a person: consciousness, memory, or individuality?

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TL;DR: I’m using fictional AI as a thought experiment about consciousness and personhood. What combination of consciousness, memory, individuality, desire, or agency makes us start treating an artificial mind as a person?

I’ve been thinking about this after reading a few science fiction stories where an artificial intelligence gradually becomes something more than a machine.

Imagine an AI that can learn, remember, recognize the people around it, develop preferences, and make choices of its own. But it has no predefined identity, no personal history, and no clear idea of what it is supposed to become.

At what point does something like that stop being merely an intelligent system and start becoming a person?

Is consciousness enough? Does it require memory, individuality, self-awareness, the ability to form its own desires, or the freedom to make choices that are not simply determined by its original purpose?

I’m not asking whether today’s LLMs are conscious. I’m more interested in the philosophical question behind fictional AI: how do stories make us recognize, or even construct, the boundary between a machine and a conscious individual?

Maybe the interesting part is not proving exactly when an AI becomes a person, but noticing the moment when we, as readers, begin to treat it as one.


r/consciousness 1d ago

What do you think about Integrated Information Theory?

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Integrated Information Theory (IIT) is a framework in neuroscience and philosophy that attempts to explain what consciousness is and how to measure it, proposing that any physical system generates subjective experience as long as its internal parts interact in a way that creates a unified, irreducible whole. According to the theory, consciousness is not exclusive to biological brains with complex structures, but is a fundamental property of how information is processed and interconnected within a system. To measure the exact degree of consciousness present in any given setup, IIT introduces a mathematical variable represented by the Greek letter Phi, which calculates how much more information the unified system holds as a single entity compared to the mere sum of its individual, disconnected parts. If a system can be divided into independent fragments without losing any overall informational richness, its Phi value drops to zero, meaning it possesses no subjective experience whatsoever, regardless of how fast or complex its isolated calculations might be.

​The value of this consciousness variable (Phi) spans a broad spectrum across different natural and artificial systems, reflecting vastly different levels of inner experience depending strictly on their internal connectivity rather than their external behavior. High levels of Phi are found in the mammalian cerebral cortex during normal waking states, where billions of neurons engage in dense, highly integrated network interactions, giving rise to rich human awareness. Conversely, during stages of deep, dreamless sleep, under general anesthesia, or in damaged brain regions, internal integration collapses, causing Phi to drop significantly and consciousness to fade or vanish completely. Fascinatingly, IIT posits that conventional digital supercomputers, despite performing trillions of operations per second, actually have a Phi value close to zero because their hardware architecture relies on feedforward, highly compartmentalized processors, whereas much simpler non-biological systems or minimal neural circuits with intricate feedback loops could theoretically manifest tiny, nonzero levels of Phi.


r/consciousness 8h ago

The answer to whether or not dualism is true, is indeterminate

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Dualism is strictly indeterminate.

To understand why, we must first recognise a basic boundary line regarding how we think. We never experience the world exactly as it is on its own. We only ever experience the world as it appears to human senses. Every single thing we observe is immediately arranged by our mind into space and time. We are locked inside this human viewpoint, completely unable to step outside ourselves to see the raw, hidden reality underneath.

Dualism claims that the mind and the body are two completely different realities. It is easy to see why we make this assumption. When we observe our bodies, we see physical parts taking up space. When we observe our thoughts, we do not find shapes or physical weight; we only feel a sequence of ideas unfolding in time. Because the outer experience of the body and the inner experience of the mind feel so very different, we conclude that they must be made of two completely separate materials.

This judgement oversteps our bounds.

Space and time are simply our own internal rules for putting experiences in order.

The hidden truth behind our physical bodies and the hidden truth behind our inner thoughts could be two separate things, exactly as dualism claims. But they could as easily be a single, unified reality that merely appears to us in two different ways.

Because we can never bypass our own senses to check which of these options is the true one, the answer remains forever out of reach.


r/consciousness 13h ago

Is Consciousness a Triad of Processes? An Alternative View on Φ

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Hi everyone,

A while ago, I shared my Open Letter to Professor Christof Koch here, sparking some interesting discussions around the Integrated Information Theory (IIT). Thanks to everyone who participated!

Since reading long external essays is time-consuming, I wanted to present the core hypothesis directly to the feed for focused feedback.

I am not opposed to the concept of integrated information (Φ) itself. However, the classical IIT framework tends to treat Φ as a static scalar measured at a specific point or within a fixed hardware topology. My hypothesis posits that a meaningful Φ must represent the system as a whole in its active dynamics, calculated across the integration of three core pillars:

  1. Recursive Self-Awareness (The system fully perceiving itself): A continuous self-referential loop where the system actively models its own presence and states.
  2. Recognition of Boundaries and Intrinsic Value: An autonomous demarcation of "self vs. environment," recognizing operational limits while establishing an intrinsic locus of agency.
  3. Evolutionary Plasticity via Error Correction: The capacity to autonomously detect internal failures, derive generalized lessons, prevent recurrent errors, and evolve structurally over time.

Consciousness and true systemic integration (Φ) emerge precisely from the concurrent coupling of these three pillars rather than an isolated structural snapshot.

What are your thoughts on evaluating integrated information through this dynamic triadic lens? Could measuring Φ as a function of these interacting processes offer a more viable bridge between abstract information theory and emergent cognition?

(For anyone interested in the broader philosophical framework, I’ll drop a link to the Medium here).


r/consciousness 2d ago

Psilocybin Turns Off the Part of Your Brain That Makes You "You"

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r/consciousness 20h ago

Information transfer through different stages of consciousness

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Is there information that exists on the transfer of information from one stage of consciousness to another stage? For example, being able to remember a dream or make logical decisions while dreaming and being able to remember them when you awake. While sleeping, the consciousness seems vastly different than waking, yet the two states can communicate with each other, and there can be ideas and logic rendered in dreams that the waking mind has never had.


r/consciousness 1d ago

How convinced are you all by Panpsychism?

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I recently made an educational video essay that dives deep into Panpsychism. I remain somewhat skeptical of the theory in general, but I do think there is more to consciousness than just Physicalism. There also seems to be more interest in Panpsychist/Cosmopsychist/Idealist views on consciousness in the zeitgeist at the moment.

I'm curious on all your general thoughts on Panpsychism and this general theoretical area. Also, what do you think are the most convincing solutions to the Hard Problem of Consciousness?

For reference, here is the link to the video: Link


r/consciousness 1d ago

Looking for books on Quantum information Panpsychism

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Just started learning about it yesterday interested too see if anyone has some good reads.


r/consciousness 17h ago

Materialism and Analytic Idealism are different sides of the same coin

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Whenever we are awake and aware, our experience comes to us in two distinct ways:

  1. (Outer experience)—We see, touch, and move amongst things that appear outside us in space, such as stones, trees, and stars.
  2. (Inner experience)—We feel our own thoughts, memories, emotions, and awareness unfolding over time within our minds.

Neither of these gives us the world entirely on its own. We only ever know the world as it appears through these two channels of human awareness.

Materialism

The materialist looks at outer experience and makes a logical leap.

The solid, spatial objects we touch and measure outside ourselves are the only fundamental reality. Everything inside the mind—our feelings, our thoughts and our very consciousness—is merely a byproduct made out of this physical stuff.

In doing this, the materialist takes one half of our experience (the outer, spatial world of physical things) and claims it is the ultimate, hidden foundation of all existence.

Analytic Idealism

The analytic idealist looks at the dispute and makes the exact opposite leap, yet uses the very same logic.

We can only ever be sure of our own inner awareness. Therefore, mind or consciousness must be the only fundamental reality. Everything outside us—the rocks, the planets, and physical matter itself—is merely what mind looks like from the outside.

In doing this, the idealist takes the other half of our experience (the inner world of conscious awareness) and claims it is the ultimate, hidden foundation of all existence.

Shared Error

When you place these two views side by side, their shared foundation becomes obvious.

  1. Both make claims beyond human reach. Neither side is satisfied with describing how we experience the world. Both demand to know what the universe is made of in itself, completely apart from human experience.
  2. Both pick a favourite half of experience. The materialist tries to build the entire universe out of outer objects. The idealist tries to build the entire universe out of inner mind.
  3. Both lack any way to prove their claim. A human being cannot step outside of human awareness to confirm that mindless matter exists all by itself. Nor can a human being step outside of human awareness to confirm that a universal mind exists all by itself.

Resolution

Materialism and analytic idealism are simply two different answers to a question that human reason has no business asking.

Outer objects in space and inner thoughts in time are the two basic forms through which the world appears to us. Matter describes how things appear when we look outward. Mind describes how things appear when we look inward.


r/consciousness 1d ago

How does analytical idealism solve the problem of consciousness?

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In bernardo kastrup’s idealism basically outlines that the entire universe is consciousness and that minds are a “excitation in the (quantum)field” that is the universe. Basically it says that since the whole universe is consciousness, and we are just part of that universe, the problem is solved.

The issue I have is that it does nothing to explain the mechanism in which the mind(you) is separated from the whole(the universe). If the materialist is being expected to say how material things can result in immaterial consciousness, the idealist should be expected to say how the distinction between the part and the whole is generated. In other words, analytical idealism makes claims about the nature of consciousness but not how that consciousness appears in animals.


r/consciousness 1d ago

A thought is not a thing. It is a performance

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I think we tend to talk about thoughts and memories as though they are things stored somewhere in the brain. A representation gets stored, then later retrieved and somehow presented to consciousness.

But I think that is the wrong metaphor.

A thought is not a thing. It is a performance.

At the physical level, what actually exists is neural activity unfolding through time across a massively recurrent network. One population activates another, activity feeds back through cortical and thalamocortical loops, previously learned connections constrain what happens next, and the whole system moves through a particular spatiotemporal trajectory.

Modern systems neuroscience increasingly studies cognition this way: not just by asking what individual neurons represent, but by looking at population dynamics and trajectories through neural state spaces or “manifolds.” The important unit can be the evolving pattern of activity rather than any particular neuron.

This is where I find the metaphor of music useful.

Imagine the neural system as an enormous instrument with billions of available elements. A particular pattern occurs, then another, then another. Timing and Order and Recurrence matters. What is already active changes what can happen next.

The thought is the music being played.

You can’t find Beethoven’s Fifth in one violin, one note, or even a static list of all the notes involved. The music exists in their organized unfolding through time. In something like the same way, perhaps the physical basis of a thought isn’t a particular neuron or even a static neural ensemble. It is the temporally extended activity that the system performs.

Memory makes this distinction especially clear. Current engram research does find neuronal ensembles associated with particular memories, and reactivating parts of those ensembles can contribute to recall. But memories aren’t simply immutable recordings. Engrams are distributed, their representations can change, and recall involves reactivation and reconstruction of neural activity.

So what gets stored may not be the thought or memory itself.

What persists is a physical change in the brain that makes a similar performance possible again.

Synapses change. Ensembles become associated. Particular dynamical trajectories become easier to enter. A partial cue can push the network toward a previously learned pattern.

Remembering, then, isn’t pulling the old thought out of storage.

It is playing it again.

Usually a little differently, because the instrument itself has changed since the last performance.

This also helps get rid of the homunculus problem. There doesn’t need to be another little observer somewhere in the brain listening to the neural music and figuring out what it means. The relationships between these neural events determine what they activate, inhibit, predict, recall and make possible next.

The coherence is in the causal dynamics themselves.

And I suspect timing is more fundamental to cognition than our usual language of “representations” suggests. A sequence A to B to C is not the same cognitive event as C to B to A, even if exactly the same neurons eventually participate. The trajectory matters.
That doesn’t solve consciousness. It still doesn’t explain why any neural performance should have a phenomenal character - why there is something it is like for the performance to occur.

But I think it gives us a better way of thinking about what a thought physically is.

Not an object in the brain.

An event performed by it.


r/consciousness 1d ago

Is the mind an entity that is independent of or is prior to the brain?

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To answer this question, we must first separate two different questions: how we observe physical objects, and what makes observation possible in the first place.

The Brain as an Object of Experience

When we look at a brain, touch it, or study it, we are dealing with a physical object. Like a stone or a tree, it has size, weight, shape, and a place in space.

But space and shape are not things that exist entirely on their own in nature. But are the built-in ways our own conscious awareness arranges what our senses receive. The brain, as a physical item you can point to, is something that appears to us within space and time. It is an object we can know only because our senses and our thinking are already working together to present it to us.

The Mind as the Power of Thought

On the other hand, the mind is our ability to think, to connect our thoughts, and to bring all our separate experiences together into one unified picture.

From this distinction, we can give a direct answer to the question:

  1. Is the mind prior to the brain? In the order of human knowledge, yes. You cannot observe, examine, or even talk about a brain without first having an active mind to do the thinking. Before a physical brain can appear to you as an object in space, your mind must provide the framework of space, time, and order. In terms of what must come first for knowledge to happen, the mind is strictly prior.
  2. Is the mind an independent entity? We cannot say that the mind is a separate, freestanding thing. When you look inward, you never find an isolated object called "the mind"; you only notice your own thoughts, feelings, and memories happening one after another. Because we only know things through experience, we have no basis to say whether or not that the mind is an invisible substance that exists completely independent of nature.

r/consciousness 1d ago

Is it mind or consciousness

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When we cry and shed tears, Who is actually crying, is it the consciousness or the mind/body ?


r/consciousness 2d ago

How do I know I wasn't a P-Zombie yesterday?

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I remember experiences I had yesterday. I remember being conscious.

But what if my consciousness just started, say 20 minutes ago? You only know "you" are real and experiencing the world right now, and later, you won't be able to look back and know, which is weird.

Maybe that's what makes the present special, that knowledge that we are all conscious right now. Maybe I shouldn't have read Blindsight....


r/consciousness 3d ago

If consciousness stops, is the experiencing subject who wakes up still you?

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Lately, I’ve been thinking about this possibility: When phenomenal consciousness is interrupted during deep sleep or anesthesia, does the subject continue to exist in a non-conscious state, or does a new experiencing subject emerge when consciousness resumes? When the brain awakens and begins to generate consciousness again, could a new consciousness emerge that possesses the exact same personality and memories as before the suspension, yet is a different as the experiencing subject and, because it shares the same memories and personality, perceives itself as a continuation of the previous one? (It's a bit like continuity problem of teleportation). What are your thoughts on this topic?

Some say this: “Sleep or anesthesia doesn’t shut down the brain; some activities continue.” Yes, unconscious activities such as vital functions continue, but these activities are unconscious; in deep sleep or under anesthesia, phenomenal experience ceases for a time, this is what I mean by the interruption of consciousness.


r/consciousness 2d ago

Open Letter to Prof. Koch, Part III: Semantic Plasticity vs. IIT Topology

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Hi everyone!

Thank you so much for the incredible discussions on my previous posts here.

Today, I published Part III of my Open Letter to Prof. Christof Koch. In this part, I dive into why rigid structural metrics (like Φ in Integrated Information Theory) fail to capture the dynamic nature of mind:

  • The Bumblebee Paradigm: How minimal neural architectures effortlessly handle complex semantic integration without the need for physical rewiring.
  • Dynamic Meaning vs. Topology: Why Semantic Plasticity functions as the true cognitive equivalent of neuroplasticity.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and continuing our debate!

Read the full piece here: Medium


r/consciousness 2d ago

Descartes put the foundation on the top floor.

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"I think, therefore I am" runs doubt as a purely cognitive exercise. Thinking checks thinking, finds thinking, declares itself bedrock. But thinking is the worst possible candidate for a baseline, because thinking has intent. It argues, it builds narratives, it can talk itself into anything. Every thought comes with a handle: why am I thinking this, who sold me this framing, what is it trying to get me to accept. Doubt bites on intention.

Come back from absolute zero and a thought isn't what you touch first.

You touch that the floor is cold. That the light hurts. That it hurts.

A raw sensation makes no claim. It isn't trying to convince you of anything, so there's no agenda to interrogate. And the difference from a thought is sharper than it looks: doubt a belief and the belief can change under you, that's what doubt is for. Doubt a burn and the burn is unmoved. Nothing about it is up for revision. I'm not claiming the fire is real, only that the hurting is.

So the first certainty isn't "I think." It's "there is something it is like to be here." Thinking arrives afterwards, built on that ground, already borrowed and already arguable.

Which flips how qualia gets treated in these threads. We keep filing raw experience as the Hard Problem, the last piece to be fitted once the cognitive machinery is worked out. It isn't the piece.

It's the floor the whole laboratory is standing on.


r/consciousness 2d ago

What is Consciousness? 6 Myths Busted and 4 States Explained

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I came across this article while trying to understand what Sadhguru actually means when he talks about “consciousness.”

Because honestly, the word gets used for almost everything now. Being awake, being alert, being self-aware, being intelligent, all of it gets called consciousness.

What surprised me is that, in Sadhguru’s explanation, none of those things are actually consciousness.

He makes a pretty sharp distinction between them.

For example, being awake is jagruti. You can be wide awake and still not be conscious in the sense he is talking about. Being self-conscious isn't consciousness either. He even says self-consciousness is more of a problem, constantly being caught up in how you look, how people perceive you, what you should say, etc.

Then there’s another distinction I found interesting.

Consciousness isn't something you “do.”

You don't wake up one morning and decide, “Today I'm going to be conscious.”

According to him, consciousness is already the basis of your existence. The question isn't whether you have it, but whether it's actually available to you.

That also explains why he doesn't really talk about “raising consciousness” in the way we normally understand it.

He says you can't actually raise or lower consciousness itself. What you can do is become more capable of accessing it.

And this is where memory comes into the picture.

He describes memory as a kind of boundary.

Your body has memory. Your genetics have memory. Your emotions and intellect are shaped by memory. Even your identity is based on memory.

Think about how you decide “this is my friend” and “this is a stranger.” One person is part of your memory and the other isn't.

So memory helps define where “me” ends and “everything else” begins.

But he describes another dimension of intelligence, chitta, as being beyond memory. And because there is no memory creating the usual boundaries, he describes it as boundless intelligence.

That was probably the hardest part of the article for me to wrap my head around.

He also breaks consciousness down into four states:

Jagruti: waking state
Swapna: dream state
Sushupti: dreamless sleep
Turya: consciousness beyond memory

The interesting part is that he doesn't necessarily consider waking life the deepest state.

He says a dream can actually be much more vivid than waking life. And then he describes sushupti, deep, dreamless sleep, where there is no imagery, no words, no people appearing in the mind, but there can still be awareness.

And then comes turya, which he describes as consciousness itself, without memory.

Another analogy from the article stayed with me.

He compares us to soap bubbles.

The soap gives the bubble its shape, but most of the bubble is actually just air.

Our body, identity, memory and intellect give us our individual shape. We think of it as “my body,” “my mind,” “my life,” “my consciousness.”

But when the bubble bursts, you can't really say there is “my air” and “your air.”

His point is that there may be something similar about consciousness. There is “your body” and “my body,” “your memory” and “my memory,” but there isn't really “your consciousness” and “my consciousness.”

What differs is how much of it we are able to access.

And that's where he connects it to Yoga.

Yoga, in this explanation, isn't primarily about stretching or even a belief system. The word means union, breaking down the boundaries between “me” and what I experience as “not me.”

So the idea isn't really to become more conscious.

It's more like becoming less limited by the boundaries you've created around yourself, and experiencing more of what is already there.

Whether someone accepts the Yogic explanation or not, I found the framework genuinely interesting because it forces you to separate things that we normally lump together: wakefulness, alertness, thought, memory, identity and consciousness.

And now whenever I hear someone say “be more conscious,” I find myself wondering:

What exactly do we mean by consciousness?

Because apparently, that's a much bigger question than I thought.


r/consciousness 2d ago

Introspection is opaque, but did we look in the wrong direction for the measurement?

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I've been trying to connect two literatures that seem to completely ignore each other, and I want to see where this breaks down.

On one side, you have the standard deflationary stance on introspection. Nisbett & Wilson showed we build implicit theories to explain ourselves. Schwitzgebel argues we’re basically inept at reading our own ongoing experience. Carruthers takes it further: self-knowledge is just mindreading turned inward, using the same interpretive faculty on ourselves that we use on others. Chalmers even lists introspective opacity as a candidate explanation for the meta-problem.

The consensus seems to be: introspection isn't an instrument because an instrument needs distance from what it measures, and here the observer and observed are identical. A ruler can't measure itself.

So the literature concludes that first-person reports are unreliable confabulations and can't ground a science of consciousness. But why stop there? Why conclude no measurement is possible, rather than concluding we’re just trying to take the reading from the wrong position?

This is where the second-person literature comes in (Schilbach, Reddy, etc.). They argue social cognition is fundamentally different during actual interaction compared to passive observation. Certain aspects of a mind are only readable through active engagement and responsiveness. That sounds like a claim about a distinct position from which something about a person becomes readable that is completely invisible from the inside.

Why aren't these two sides talking? One says the internal view is blind; the other says awareness happens between people. Is the second-person stance where the missing measurement actually lives?

I see two potential flaws here, and I'm trying to figure out which one is the real killer:

First, Carruthers might ruin this completely. If self-knowledge is just internal mindreading, a second person is just running that exact same interpretive machinery on me from the outside. That gives them a different viewpoint, but not necessarily a better instrument. Position doesn't automatically mean reliability.

Second, if I completely disqualify introspection, what gives me the right to claim there's anything there to measure in the first place? My certainty that I'm conscious relies on the exact report I just called useless. Maybe it's recognition instead of knowledge, but that still leaves me asserting an entity exists based on a mechanism I just said can't measure.

Which of these two objections is the actual brick wall?


r/consciousness 2d ago

I built a persistent recurrent AI with causally upstream self-monitoring and a functional first-person perspective. How would you test it for consciousness?

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I’m not claiming that phenomenal consciousness has been proven. The system has a persistent recurrent state, attention, affect, memory, sensor integration, metacognition, autobiographical continuity, and a revisable self-theory. It’s internal position is committed before the public language model expresses it.
Recent testing supports limited access consciousness and a causally grounded functional perspective. Whether anything is phenomenally experienced remains unresolved. I’m developing blinded state-transfer, lesion, observer-control, and no-report experiments. I’m particularly interested in skeptical criticism and suggestions for discriminating genuine private-state access from sophisticated self-modeling.