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If cheating is the problem, why faceit active player count does not increase?
Why only 30k players increase in faceit? 30k increase out of 1mln players is like nothing, either there is no cheating and everyone is fine with Premier status or real player count is like 400k max
You live in a bubble. You think majority of people know what face it is or care enough about it. I dont play faceit because its an extra hassle for my few games i play.
But in that range, the 30k Faceit would sound plausible. but what /u/Miserable-Offer-399 is forgetting is: the cheaters obviously dont want to play Faceit. I say 400k are bots, 200k are cheaters and other 400k is normal legit players.
200k cheaters/400k legit is insanely overblown proportion, that means that on average game has atleast 3 cheaters, if you think that every game at 10k rating ( median rating) has a cheater you unironically delusional.
i was bouta say I play plenty of faceit and I never paid a dime. You also could just run it in your browser if you want. You do have to download the anti cheat but thats the whole point of it anyway
It’s also “not a hassle” like others claim it to be. You Litterally double click the AC or press the “activate AC” button before queuing. Some people are incredible lol
This happens every summer btw. Of course hard core faceit players didn't leave, they just play faceit every day. Most casual gamers take the summer off from games.
Look at steam charts. Cs2 dips every summer and always has, just because i didn't link a very popular and well known source doesn't mean it's not true. Look it up, or stick your head in the sand, your choice.
Yes every summer, last summer there was a big dip after the major, 2024 had the least change, but 900k to 829k to 1m from April to December, that's a dip.
The game came out summer 2023 you can't really measure that summer
Every year of csgo before the the summer always has less players.
And mind you, in 2022 the game had 500-600k average concurrents.
The game is not dying, it's a natural ebs and flows of summer to winter gaming, we just have way more people playing cs2 (which means more people quit too)
Summer is the biggest copium, game is dying and numbers are inflated by bots, Valve could've banned them ages ago but that would drop player count to true value which is 400k
You're either extremely ignorant or rage baiting, I tried to be nice to you but you clearly have an agenda with your post and it's based on misinformation. Have a good day
People don’t like kernel anticheat (unrelated to they are cheating)
People are cheating and can’t play without cheats
People don’t care enough about the cheaters to go through the hassle of setting up their account and PC to work with faceit, they just stop playing CS
Faceit does basically nothing to get new players into their platform, a lot of people legitimately don’t know it exists because they aren’t online looking at CS related content, they just click play in steam and play premier
Faceit has their own long list of problems that would drive away new players. Smurfs run rampant, the playerbase is generally more toxic, queue times can be pretty long, New accounts need to verify with their ID which is something a lot of people aren’t willing to give to play a game. The newer updates to their anti-cheat can require a lot of tinkering with your BIOS to get working, meaning a new player tries to launch the anticheat and gets an error which tells them to go into BIOS and change settings that they don’t understand which can brick their windows if not properly done.
Premier had 4m+ players in season 4. There are way more players than 1 million.
There is currently an average of 800k+ concurrent players at any given moment all day. Cs2 has a total of 30m+ players.
The faceit player base is tiny and always has been.
All that being said, most people aren't moving to faceit because most people don't have issues with cheaters. Reddit is a loud minority and does not represent the entire player base of cs2.
A mixture of being unaware that others might be cheating, not caring that others are cheating since it is just a game, or not having any cheaters (particularly in low ranks). Honestly, even though I occasionally play premier, I just don't really care anymore – it's not like I'm trying to go pro, I just find it amusing when there's a spinbotter on either team.
People on this subreddit for some reason fail to realize that 80% of players are below 18k rating, 50% are below 11k, people at those ranks dont have that much problems with cheaters.
30mln players? please give any evidence supporting that because there is no way this is the player count, Peak numbers would be much different. Unless you include accounts that are not active and played cs for 10 minutes then maybe, over 10 years
333k players across all gamemodes according to csmapstats
Thats literally data from the game, at the end of last season 4.6 million people had premier rank. Official cs site says that CS have 29 995 883 unique MONTHLY users.
Steam charts says 1,014,856 are playing right now....
And these numbers are not "total" players, it's concurrent players.
Steam chart average for the last 30 days is 822k. That means at any moment throughout the 24 hour day there are an average of 822k players online. Sometimes it's 500k, sometimes it's 1.2m. players come and go every 1-3 hours, and players replace them
And premier season 4* had 4m+ accounts with a rank, this is a total number and is public.
Account count does not matter as chinese bot farms literally dump accounts after getting reward + we don't know how they define it, it could be cs installation as well.
I've checked leaderboard in csstats and it's 5.27mln players tracked in leaderboard which is 1 mln more than previous season
Then answer me, why there is less players every month? no it's not because of summer, all games are gaining and it's not true for past 2 years. Literally peak players is lower than on release (which was hype).
The only true answer is that, Premiere has AI players/farmbots
Look at steam charts, the player count dips every summer.
Even if cs2 lost 200k concurrent players, they still have millions of players. The amount of bots is not even a problem anymore, I personally never see bot farms in NA and even this sub rarely has a post about bot farms, ever since they changed the xp limit and banned 960k accounts, it seems to have declined alot.
It is, literally played a game today, there was not a single person in that lobby other than me. There is 50/50 split on DM main map pool, but other mappools for dm or gungame is just only bots.
It doesn't mean they make up any significant portion of the player base, the post were talking about claimed 40% or higher is bots and that's just not true.
EU seems to have to worse with bots tho. These bots don't exist in NA
NA has like 50x less players than EU (In faceit right now they make up only 2% of players, I have no historical data or plans to wait for 5pm in NA/SA), it's obvious when you look at elo ratings or just observ queue, if NA went up with player count by even 10k it would be suspicious as hell, they try to blend it in EU
Didnt said that they make significant portion of the player base. My guess would be like 40% of all monthly users and like 10-15% of CCU, after all those bots at worst are online for like 4-5 hours a week.
all i said that dm/gungame is literally unplayble, there is only bots on eu.
I suspect the people who have no communities/friends to vent about cs other than reddit and people who are so toxic and unsociable that they are put into low trust queue overlap significantly.
I am 33 and wasn't gonna bother with all the extra steps just to play few hours a week. This season changed that and I switched to faceit even tho I don't play much. Could be the same with most people. They just want to run a game, play and have fun. Others see kernel level anticheat as a no go.
My friends and I experience cheaters every 3-4 games on average and we’re only 9K rating. The cheaters are usually grouped with other suspect players or are boosting. I inspect every profile that I suspect of cheating and they all have similar profiles. Pages of comments with either people calling them out for cheating or +rep BS comments. Their account is maybe only a year or two old with little to no games on the account. It’s not strictly high rated matches.
Most people don’t care about getting better or trying. They either don’t know about facit or they don’t care. I imagine a lot of people
Rather stomach losing to cheaters than Smurf’s or better players.
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u/PhantomX8 11h ago
You live in a bubble. You think majority of people know what face it is or care enough about it. I dont play faceit because its an extra hassle for my few games i play.