Genshin will never go that low, it makes like $20m+ just from regular welkin and battle pass refreshes seemingly, regardless of what banners it has. Its lowest level is way above that.
ZZZ has been flirting around the $10m mark a couple times though but I don't think it ever quite went under it.
The only time genshin ever had that was the beginning of covid with the extended ayaka and limited time keqing banner, but that was young genshin they print money
That's because as much drought Genshin has, it has never have so empty in events as HSR nowadays.
Its so empty I don't feel playing it at all except for Endgame & CW/DU Mondays (and thats like 20-40 minutes max).
It got even worse because the last 2 "events" (mind you for the total of three events in the whole patch) besides the useless multiplier ones are, basically, having no gameplay. One is just long auto session (bar one out of 7 stages), while another one is just extra rewards for....spending stamina.
Events don't make money, characters do. HSR fell victim of at this point many months long circlejerk of "Wait for 4.0, don't pull anyone no matter what". People have finished off their premier 3.x team with Cyrene and that was the last time they were willing to spend in this cycle.
Honestly I think you're even selling things a little short; After how Therta has aged, it's closer to "Wait for 4.2/anniversary". We're in the era of clear favorites and carefully crafted optimal full teams now.
Like, there are absolutely ways to make that sort of style WORK, but doing so would require them to change the gacha system on a fundamental level and that's extremely unlikely. (Although, to be fair, HSR did kinda do it before)
Hoyo in general seems extremely averse to admitting that some 5*s have less value than others, and/or that reruns are 90% of the time terrible ideas to pull on unless the character is really strong OR you really like the character.
Amusingly, HSR is probably one of the better of the three main Hoyo games at admitting that, thanks to the customizable 50/50 pool, the character buffs, and the token shop, and yet the game is powercreeping (and HP creeping) so fast that it's too little too late. Seele/Blade/Fu Xuan choices are better than the base 50/50s but not so much that losing to them doesn't feel just as bad (especially with how much of a madman you have to be to optimize Seele), the first round of character buffs made them usable but didn't increase their pull value relative to the rest of the game so it didn't really help matters (even for the one character whose buffs were excellent; She was already necessary for that team comp), and I still can't get over how they made a big deal about adding Topaz to the token shop when she's the third worst option to get from it and she STILL would have been if she was added at its launch!
It's still only worth pulling on the new stuff, and only the SPECIFIC new stuff, at that.
Especially with how power creep and team design has gone it has gone from "pulling for strong units" to "pull for flagship" to "save until you can pull for full battleship". A lot of players are waiting until it becomes clearer which battleship is going to be the pushed one before spending I think.
True, and the character they offer is just suck or most people already have it (except Dahlia but even then its mostly for servicing Break which has questionable future anyways).
Well if u miss two units of that break team getting dahlia is literally waste of gems , and not to mention there's a new archytpe they will destroy the game coming out so why bother building anything lol hsr is cooked , just get the flagship team and thats it gg
I'm loving hsr downfall let this be a lesson for the idiot devs power creep kills ur games I like to enjoy the units and I would like to use them in the future. Hsr has the worst power creep its insane 4.0 will be hitting millions of dmg while achron barely does a million and that's with her e2 and lc
Its not really a downfall, when the game just had rerun banners this month. It will be back in top5 next month and the devs wont learn their lesson. Gacha gamers are too stupid anyways and will whale even if game is powercreep central
Significant powercreep is inevitable, some games reach that stage sooner than others, but all of them do eventually. Novelty just wears off, people can't just indefinitely remain excited for new characters, at some point you will have to use crude methods to make them desirable. And HSR is vulnerable to that more than most, since combat is all there is to a character, nothing else matters, not how they feel to control, not how they zoom around the map, nothing.
"Significant power is inevitable" tell that to fgo. For all the blame the shit gacha gets they actually balance even one star units when they fall off.
FGO also has a lot of possible interactions with classes, traits, alignments, buffs/debuffs, NP type etc so they have a much wider space to develop in and avoid making an explicit 'X but better'.
Let's be real, they have favorites. Emiya is the first servant with 5 buffs but is still bad when herc just needed his guts buff and he's set for the end of existence
Could it be the power creep is so horrible is not worth getting the older units ? Idk how it is in genshin but in hsr its gotten to point where every other patch there's a power spike
Dry af patch with one new character for the least popular archetype that is poorly implemented and every new release is there to fix one of the issues with the mechanic so if you don't have all the puzzle pieces to build exodia you ain't pulling for the new character and pulling for an entire team before the X.0 patch that is bringing in a new archetype, path and powercreep is dumb.
This patch was doomed even if it did have events I'm afraid, the lack of events just made it worse.
I mean Dahlia made decent amount of money in December despite 3.8 being filler patch and if not for the delay we would have 4.0 in January and that revenue drip wouldn't happen. Ppl imo are overreacting.
It's not that bad I agree, the game ain't shutting down anytime soon and HSR does make bank often. A lot of people might come in see the number and think people quit HSR or something when in reality spending money last month was not worth it, my comment was more about giving context rather than doomposting (mb if I came off that way, but super break needs an entire rework because omg what are the devs doing)
I tried keeping up with ZZZ but I ended up just kinda quitting both HSR and ZZZ myself. Really wanted to love endfield but itâs just too much of a time commitment and unfortunately factory gameplay wasnât for me either. Using blueprints just made me go âeh whatâs the pointâ lmao
Yeah the factory stuff filtered me from Endfield especially since it got in the way of the flow of the main story. I'd rather it was connected but a side thing. Also it was rather tedious for me. I also uninstalled ZZZ for now but apparently we're getting a shit ton of pulls for the next patch so I'll download it again then.
Rn ZZZ also has an event that gives free subscription for 30 days where you have to spend energy daily for a few days. Not sure if it'll last till the next patch
I really thought I was gonna stick with ZZZ since I just really enjoyed the combat and characters a lot but after I had gone on vacation for nearly a month I was struggling to keep up with dailies and weeklies so I just naturally dropped it. HSR was the easy one because I had stopped reading the story and the content was just super boring.
I remember pulling yeshungguang and playing for like two weeks but I havenât logged in since either. Are we getting like way more pulls than normal for a version update with the idols coming out or something?
And yeah not getting into endfield was a big bummer since I was looking forward to it ever since it was announced but at least I still have Arknights lol
No i think he is talking about the actual combat event, not the chimera minigame one, remnants of the twilight or whatever, which started early january, i only remember it being that type of event that fuck you up if you don't have certain characters for the highest diff, though some of the challenges were interesting, the most notable for me was the "2v2 duo boss screen" one
Not that one. What he's talking about is an actual combat event with gimmicks that aren't found in regular combat, like HP count, front row/back row, team split, etc.
another thing is that gacha games are more saturated now. at that point you mentioned, genshin heavily dominated the gacha game market still. nowadays people wonât hesitate to explore other options as they did before
Genshin have much bigger exploration capabilities than HSR, therefore you still login everyday and occasionally pull. Personally I spent "yandere Ayaka incident" by 100% most of the regions that I didn't explore.
In 2022, competition barely exists. Fast forward to 2025 and the market is so competitive now, and 2026 is only going to get tougher for every title new or old competing for the same player wallets and time. AKE has a great start now slicing more of the pie, if more releases like NTE, Azur or others also slicing more off each otherâs pie, numbers will be shared to even more games lol instead of everything piled into just 3 titles, itâs a 25 titles way battleground now.
I think Genshin had more players back then than HSR has now, so even without new banners or spending events, there were still a lot of people buying the monthly stuff.
That was not a bug, when they edited that, the 240 days was the representation of time remaining until December 31, 2022 because the actual delay was unknown.
I uninstalled HSR simply to allow storage for downloading Endfield, and because even with leak I am not interested to play the new arc with clown aha theme or something. My main problem is simple: unclear main story. They keep releasing new arc felt like too-big filler story while the main story is unclear, nowhere, almost no development. And then they delay the new arc. Yeah I let it go.
genshin has done it like once every year atleast lol with some of the shittiest rerun and dry patch the world had seen, and still made over 20M bare minimum (mizuki patch hello)
mizuki is a standard unit that is literrally worse than sucrose a character everyone has
Not all played for the meta, we did have that Inazuma event with 5.4's release, and she is still a new character. Comparing literally 0 new characters to 1, even though she's bad, kinda makes no sense bro.
Plus, Genshin is a bigger game anyway, so kinda makes sense that its relative floor is still higher than HSR's rock bottom situation atm.
mizuki had battle pass renewals and more people are going to renew welkin at patch release cause not everyone plays every day
HSR is literally just some daily player's express pass renewals. no one spent on lingsha and fugue. there is NOTHING in the game right now. and next month char is a support who has 0 teammates, gon be rough
Genshin doesnt have nearly as bad power creep, even though its totally headed in that direction. HSR does like 3 years worth of Genshin powercreep in a single year and makes none of the previously released dps worth saving for when you can just pull a shiny new one thats not only shilled but also just outputs 3 times the damage lmao
It isn't even just the DPSes. I didn't pull for Hyacine the 1st time around because i was saving for collab and thought i would be fine without a limited healer. When i finally pulled on her rerun? I went from unable to clear a boss (the undead dragon) on manual to 3 starring it on auto just by slotting her in. The difference is disgusting.
I love her a lot she's my favourite Amphoreus chara but hoyo also made enemies hit harder to encourage people to pull for Hyacine/play hp meta đđđ I remember my Huo2 and Ling Sha being unable to keep some of my charas alive in some runs
I also remember back when AA was still in beta people tested and realized only Hyacine and pt could survive Lygus' nuke while all sustains prior to them couldn't keep their teams fully alive
Same as you I returned during penacony and spent like 100 for Acheron and her LC, and now she's eating dust and I got bored to keep with the powercreep that I quit the game after getting Hyacine during her rerun.
Saying Genshin is headed toward power creep is deceptive. Mavuika raised the DPS ceiling once and it has not been raised since then. All of the characters since then are below the DPS ceiling but close to it, and make it easier since optimal Mavuika requires insane skill. There has not been continuous power creep after that and I doubt the devs are going to raise the DPS ceiling further any time soon (maybe in another couple years).
Neuvillette essentially raised the floor (there are other teams that deal higher damage than him during his prime). That doesn't really accelerate powercreep. He's just braindead to play and easier to reach his sheet numbers like hyperbloom.
What Mavuika did is she broke the DPS ceiling to smithereens and it took a year for the rest of the team to catch up.
Neuv didn't raise the DPS ceiling. He's just braindead to play, since despite what people say optimal gameplay in Genshin requires a lot of skill/knowledge and most players won't be able to reach their maximum DPS, meanwhile Neuv lets them unga bunga and get acceptable results.
the difference you aren't acknowledging is that Mav and Bineffa existing hasn't jacked up the HP at all. in fact, the highest amount of HP we've had was and still is the 5.8b abyss. every NK abyss cycle has had less HP than that one, and even despite all these new powerhouses, Mav is STILL at the top of the DPS ladder among them. where as with hsr, the HP has in fact been raised throughout Amphoreus. you conveniently left this information out in your little attempt at a dig at the game. I sure wonder why?
yeah. HSR is the most awful powercreep gacha right now to me personally. Imagine using modern Hoyo gacha system added with ridiculous powercreep like Granblue or FEH. Hell the former had characters with better staying power and didn't simply added more HP for their endgame after 12 years of service.
When I started playing and using 4 stars to beat their hard contents I thought HSR is going to be a decent turn based game where I can use any of my favorite characters without worries, how wrong I was lol
HSR has far worse powercreep than Genshin, at least until recently where Genshin is shilling each new region mechanic. Hu Tao was strong for years till Arlecchino came out, but even late 2.0 / early 3.0 characters feel very weak compared to the newest teams in HSR.
So this double rerun banner they're running just isn't great. Yeah, Dahlia came out but even with her break isn't great unless you have e2 firefly or something. It's a shame because I liked Dahlia as a character but being a Ruan Mei replacement solely for break isn't very interesting to me.
I think HSR also suffers from a mass exodus post Amphoreus. 3.7 wasn't what a majority of people expect, and the unfotunated delay of 4.0 is the put the nail on it
3.8 despite being filler patch with sorta niche character still made a lot of money in December. January was just unfortunate month, if there was no delay we would have 4.0 already and those revenue chart would like much different. Ppl are kinda overreacting too much.
This isn't just drought. There's legitimately nothing going on and only bad news for the future. People are getting increasingly worried about Planarcardia's development. Probably lotta people losing faith and getting bored.
The powercreep and lack of events is really annoying, and not many people are really excited about the next region. They are basically missing the mark of the different reason why people keep playing HSR.
True dat. No one is pulling break supports (a archetype that's on its way out), Aglea who fell off a while ago and Sunday who keeps getting booted out of teams because other supports are just better for certain archetypes.
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u/chris_9527 Feb 01 '26
Having to go down so far for HSR was definitely unusual