r/gachagaming • u/StellarDiscord • May 02 '26
Meme Wow how did they come up with that one?
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u/Emergency_Hk416 WuWa Larper. Mihoyo Whiteknight May 02 '26
And some cute girl guides you through the game, and you meet a hot woman later on, she's evil or has an agenda. 1 hour later you have to save the world.
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u/Abadon_U May 02 '26
And here is Zenless. Where there is no amnesia, no hot woman, and no saving the world. You save the world on second hour tho
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u/dimyo May 02 '26
I mean, Nicole is hot, but the proxies found her more annoying at that point.
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u/Rea404 May 02 '26
She probably owes proxy millions of pennies. Being annoyed is the kinda thing they can do
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u/Amitius May 03 '26
She owed the Random Play around 193,760 store credits, according to one event. But other members of Cunning Hares are also in debt because of her.
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u/ShinigamiRyan May 03 '26
Joining the Cunning Hares requires going into debt to the Proxies. Sorry, this is non-negotiable. You will not have a positive bank account balance.
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u/tannegimaru ZZZ & Endfield May 02 '26
I mean, there was an evil hot woman we know in chapter 1.
But she died a pretty meaningless death in 2.4 imo. And died by an NPC's hand as well. I mean, Shiyuan was an important NPC, but it still just means we never actually get to fight her after over a year of buildup.
Yeah, the 2.5 main boss isn't even actually her. It's just her corpse controlled by the creator at that point. Sarah was such a wasted potential 😞
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u/DarkenVragon May 03 '26
Sarah's story was insanely all over the place. I still can't believe Isolde was THE top guy of their cult. Like wtf? Your only "big threats" are Isolde and Bringer? How did the cult last that long?
Not to mention in beta leak, Sarah had unreleased CG images delving into her backstory. Iirc it was the one where she were with several children during the fall of Eridu. Not sure why it was cut, but the devs really was done with Sarah at that point.
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u/WanderEir May 04 '26
You can read the "we need to fucking rewrite this immediately, we've written ourselves into a corner" from a mile away on this one.
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u/marshallman31 May 04 '26
The Exaltists themselves were really half baked. I thought they were gonna be this overarching antagonist throughout the whole series, but we demolished their whole cult in like a week (game time)
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u/proxyi606 Hoyo game avid, Horse game Umaddict May 02 '26
she has so much more potential, man
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u/Vagabond_Sam May 03 '26
I kind of liked that she was disposable and being used in the end and meeting her fate offscreen kind of highlights that the threat of the creator isn't wound up in Sarah. She was just a tool.
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u/tannegimaru ZZZ & Endfield May 03 '26
Huh, that's a fair point made from another perspective on her fate tbh
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u/bioknight99 May 02 '26
It might be wrong, but wasnt the situation that she hive minded with creator and serves as it's voice?
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u/tannegimaru ZZZ & Endfield May 02 '26
She was dead after Ye Shiyuan backstabbed her in an attempt to stop the Creator.
That flashback she has is in her dying moment, and then she merges her body with the Creator. Arguably, we don't have proof that her mind actually became part of the Creator, or her mind's gone. But her body at that point is definitely reduced to the Creator's corpse puppet.
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u/happymudkipz May 02 '26
It looks like we're now getting the "chosen ones" who can deal with the "corruption" trope though.
And you get the amnesia in effect since the Siblings speak almost nothing about their past, even to each other.
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u/DepressedTittty May 03 '26
My hopes of uncorrupting the lingering corrupted npcs like pompey and twiggy is once again ignited.
They kind of started mentionning this possibility in lucia's chapter. I wonder if they will actually get to this at some point later in the game
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u/ShinigamiRyan May 03 '26
It's a very likely possibility among other things. Notably, YSG's childhood flashback you get with the MC makes the Proxy feel something is off. There is also the legend of the Hollows containing a door to the 'past', which seems like a far stretch, until you remember there's an entire cutscene of events that plays out of events that haven't occurred (such as detonating the towers around Hollow Zero).
This is before noting that Ether and Ether corruption seems to resemble how information gets distorted on VHS tapes. There's a good chance that ether corruption may be something akin to people are turned into a sort of data (effectively ether) and ethereals are the result of that (which may explain why Belobog's Constructs have to be exposed to ether to be fully turned online as there may be a connection between the constructs becoming self-aware and exposure to ether that contained people at a point).
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u/Hollownerox May 02 '26
Counterside (RIP) is a nice example where this didn't happen.
MC has amnesia from a self-inflicted mind wipe, but there is no meet cute. He goes about manipulating events in the background and orchestrating things like some sort of supervillain. It's great.
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u/ChanceNecessary2455 May 02 '26
So Administrator is already tired of being the mastermind and is now orchestrating the no update aka maintenance mode.
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u/someonehere234 May 03 '26
He actually closed things off really well & did more than just saving the world in the end. It's one of the best showing of a competent MC until the end, without diminishing the other casts' significance— something that mainstream gachas can't quite capture nowadays.
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u/AdvancedResolution29 May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
You forgot has god powers and pulls things out of their ass and explain it as but they could always do that they just forgot
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u/w3475te May 03 '26
FGO MC being kidnapped off a Craigslist application and genuinely not knowing wtf he signed up for is probably the funniest one we got ngl
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u/Draguss Fate/Grand Order May 03 '26
Ritsuka's story is absolutely insane when you think about it. You answered a job ad and suddenly you were in the frozen middle of nowhere with some angry white-haired chick grumbling at you
(which you'd later realize apparently awoke something inside you about white-haired women with issues), and then almost everyone fucking died and the weight of the entire world rests on your highschool-graduate-aged ass.24
u/w3475te May 03 '26
Went in thinking they were going to do a door dash job or something , became the very hope of humanity by elimination
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u/Hazewhite1 May 03 '26
It's even worse since by Moriarty valentine's, Ritsuka hasn't even graduated. So they're a highschool dropout.
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u/andykhang May 03 '26
Honestly, at this point I genuinely believe FGO will not die unless Guda successfully collect 100 evil waifu who really really really love them.
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u/Domilos May 02 '26
They need a reason to loredump you and that's the easiest way
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u/Krewshie May 03 '26
They need a reason to loredump you and that's the laziest way*
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u/GraveXNull May 03 '26
Just make the MC a rookie agent who's green behind the ears and it's their first time on the field.
And the lore exposition if from their experienced and worn older partner, who is supposed to teach them the "street ways".
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u/Equal_Yak_9895 May 03 '26
It is 100% that and to write a story where every character knew the MC and all of them loved the MC.
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u/StellarTruce Input a Game May 03 '26
It's also a convenient literary device for any live service game since you can withhold the loredump for as long as possible. Because when that loredump comes, the MC will become bland.
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u/xxkittygurl May 03 '26
At least one of the easiest ways. There’s also things like, MC starts a new job or becomes part of an organization, or MC is new to the world
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u/RozeGunn May 04 '26
Ritsuka Fujimaru having a life of his/her own, he/she just happened to be a random guy/girl.
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u/esztersunday May 02 '26
I always forget the Traveler has no amnesia.
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u/Xarxyc GFL2, Morimens. May 02 '26
GFL's Commander doesn't have Amnesia in first, nor second game.
ZZZ's siblings aren't amnesiacs either.
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u/kamikad3e123 May 02 '26
Zzz's siblings also don't tell about their past
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u/Xarxyc GFL2, Morimens. May 02 '26
They do, although not a lot.
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u/xedar3579 May 03 '26
It's kinda peak how they put small lore bits and distinctions between the siblings on cosmetics and they're different depending on which sibling you are. Like there's one banner's description where Belle goes "Wise always lets me win at snowball fights", but if you're Wise it says "Belle's snowballs hurt for some reason so I just give up quickly and let her win".
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u/YEET_Fenix123 May 05 '26
Even in the most recent patch, the reasoning they give for the amount of snacks in Belle's room is presented differently:
If you're playing as Wise, Belle will tell you that she wanted to throw a party to celebrate the competition.
If your playing as Belle, Wise will tell you that he was planning a surprise specifically for you. (Where he would also invite everyone)
The same idea, essentially, but presented differently enought that you can see how different these two are from eachother.
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u/Golden-Owl Game Designer with a YouTube hobby May 02 '26
The Traveler’s just a foreigner. Hence why every regions has at least one designated tour guide to guide and introduce the story (Amber, Zhongli, Thoma, Collei/Nahida, Navia, etc)
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u/esmelusina May 02 '26
The player doesn’t have the full story, but I like that they aren’t amnesiacs.
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u/Ok_Orange_3429 May 02 '26
Yeah but I like it if they stop keeping thing so close to their chest you would expect with how many voiceline traveller have they would share more about their past
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u/XaeiIsareth May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
It’s a bit of an awkward situation cos his past and where he came from are obviously pretty big story points about what’s actually happening in the universe and what Teyvat is, so they can’t really tell you until the story gets there.
Especially cos Genshin’s wider story is more cosmic horror than high fantasy and they have to kind make that transition smooth.
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u/satufa2 May 02 '26
Yes but it's almost like they do. The sibling was doing all sorts of things but the traveler was in the ship fridge and basically right after unfreezing, they got cubed.
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u/Gargooner May 03 '26
Funnily enough, it's the Sibling that got amnesia, and actually gaslit to become prince/princess.
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u/National-Editor-9785 May 05 '26
Yeah Genshin is a bit weird because starting the game there is a strong implication that Traveller fished out Paimon shortly after waking up where he landed but isn't the turth the fact he solo travelled Teyvat for some time and even learned the language before ever meeting Paimon? And that he didn't even land in Monsdtad?
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u/Chilled_HammyDude Zenless Zone Zero May 02 '26
New Gacha Game!
My username gets tagged to the protagonist themselves and not have their own name
Urgh...
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u/Ill_Mud7584 May 02 '26
I like how in ZZZ your username is canonically an username, used for the MCs account in the inInter-Knot.
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u/kaitheghostking May 03 '26
In genshin the name we choose for the traveler is a fake name they give to others during their journey
In “bed time story” we learned that no one beside abyss twin knows the traveler real name.
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u/GodOfPoyo May 02 '26
Seriously I'd love to just play with most characters base names. Instead I have to see my wired username name in the text box while all the characters called me someone nickname in voice.
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u/ExSleepz May 03 '26
As someone who can't mentally self-insert for shit, this pisses me off 😭
Playing NTE, I was disappointed they just call her Appraiser instead of Zero, and with my game name plastered on it. At least Mint call her Coco.
And For CZN, I can at least understand why they call him captain, it is his official role as the ship's leader.
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u/Citsune May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
Developers making MC names player-determined essentially sucks all personality out of them.
Having a name to attach to the main character helps to build their presence a lot more, especially when NPCs and playable characters can address them with it.
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u/Niirai Genshin/Sekai/HSR May 02 '26
NTE actively prevents you from using their canon name. At least I think Zero is their canon name?
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u/XanderNightmare May 03 '26
I think Zero is just the codename for their case and this they are called that, but then you can just give your own name? I don't know
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u/zzkigzz48 May 03 '26
This is why I love Trickcal. You just get snatched away on your way to work one day and now you have the responsibility to wrangle a bunch of midgets.
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u/Excalibro_MasterRace May 04 '26
I love how your superpower is that you having longer limbs and can safely bonk them with no mercy
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u/Blightzkrieg May 02 '26
Chaos Zero Nightmare MC has amnesia for like the first hour and then remembers everything lol.
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u/EligibleUsername May 03 '26
The devs realized "yeah, we don't really wanna do this" then kick that trope out of the window. The story still sucks balls tho, which just goes to show it's not the idea, but the execution that matters.
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u/ChanceNecessary2455 May 03 '26
Story rework in a few months. Maybe in season 4 or 5.
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u/kinguzumaki WuWa May 03 '26
Character who is on the icon of the app is only relevant for patch 1.x of the game and is completely forgotten after about 1 year
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u/nntnot May 03 '26
Me when wuwa
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u/kinguzumaki WuWa May 03 '26
There are a few like this but this is the one that bugs me the most because I REALLY like Yangyang
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u/Euphoric_Metal199 May 02 '26
By how masterfully the OG Arknights did it, it's not a bad idea by itself. It's the execution that matters.
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u/Hollownerox May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
It's also nice because Arknights awknowledges natural problems with being amnesiac like prexisting relationships changed among other things.
Most games that go the amnesia route just go "you might have lost your memory but you're exactly who you used to be "insert name here!" While Arknights sorta does this, mostly in terms of the Doctor's skillset, it was really nice to see the varied reactions of character who knew them. Some were pleased, some feel like they are interacting with a completely different person, and others are outright hostile.
And the cheery on top is the fact pre-amnesia Doctor is relevant to WAY more to the story. Whereas any history for a lot of amnesia MCs is just.... never brought up. Because it's probably a nothing burger.
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u/Many_Leading1730 May 02 '26
In Limbus as well your character was clearly pretty important and seems to have been a much different person than you are now.
It helps that Dante has a pretty clear personality as well, so they dont fall into blank slate tropes
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u/Superior_Mirage May 03 '26
Plus it helps that having your head replaced by a clock is a pretty decent excuse for having forgotten some things.
"Where are your memories?"
"Left 'em in my other head."
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u/Vegetable-Pickle-535 May 03 '26
The Intro of the Game in general is intresting in general, as we don't get Dante waking up with no memories, the first thing that happens is the process of losing said memories and the last remnants of what kind of person Dante was slowly fading out. Probably will get increasingly relevant to look back on the further the Story progresses as well.
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u/Superior_Mirage May 03 '26 edited May 04 '26
The Manager from Lobotomy Corporation certainly wasn't your standard amnesiac, so if Dante is anything like them we're in for a bumpy ride.
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u/Particular_Web3215 Jenshin | Currency Wars | limbus May 03 '26
Dante while being an amnesiac, also has their own personality, is curious about the city like us and clearly has some kind of mysterious past to the tree of light plan and it's always been reminded to us once in a while (BHKim interavllo breakout, seeing the stars in canto 5, the animal trio in tutorial...)
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u/karillith May 02 '26
Which makes very jarring the decision to make another amnesiac for Endfield. Like why putting yourself into the situation of using a similar base situation where comparisons will be unavoidable with a previous work you already done well?
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u/EtadanikM May 02 '26
Well, theories are that the Endministrator is just a clone of Doctor like how Laevatain is a clone of Surtr. So really it literally is the game retelling the original cast in a shared but alternate universe.
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u/daniel_22sss May 03 '26
Endministrator just being clone of the Doctor would be the final nail in the coffin of the plot.
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u/ArcaneBrocoli May 03 '26
I think the literal only way they could have Endmin and Doc be related is to have Endmin be some creation or apprentice of a kind. If Endmin is Doc or a reconvener it's gonna be so bad.
But we probably won't learn that for years and years because Arknights is still ongoing and I'd like to believe they wouldn't spoil the fate of their previous game like that.
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u/OrangeIllustrious499 May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
For this we really need time to judge what they plan to do with Endmin since for now, we dont have an idea of what they are like back then. We only have a clue based on how Ardashir, Andre, Fangyi, Nefarith, etc... acted torwards us which I do appreciate(let's be real, we prob had a double life with Ardashir lol). But it will prob be like the Doctor in that for a loong time, we wont truly know if it's actually good or not until it is revealed.
At least they seem to actually be doing smt with the amnesiac aspect (I even got a bit of surprise that Endmin took some thoughts regarding his relationship when Xi mo and Summit met eachother), so I will at least give some credits for their efforts. Unlike some games I know which dont even use it at all for the story.
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u/Old-Helicopter1689 Replaying NIKKE rn - OHHH YEAAAH!!! May 03 '26
It's probably the most safest way to make the game more mainstream.
And mainstream means lots of people will play your game and pay for the microtransactions and so on.
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u/ArcaneBrocoli May 02 '26
Kal learning about the amnesia is great. Girl is so pissed that everyone lost in the retrieval could have been for literally nothing
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u/Xehant May 02 '26
But the combo amnesia + open world is a recipe for disaster because in a way or the other, everything will be about you and at this point you would have preferred to play the game when you discover it.
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u/Kerfenian May 02 '26
And annoying, noisy af mascot
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u/Cuvalius May 02 '26
Fuck Taygedo
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u/MaimedJester May 03 '26
Yeah they went out of there way purposefully to make him extra annoying at the start. My guess is they're gonna kill him/evolve him because his little love interest character is suspicious as hell while they might as well say I'm a major villain!
Like he's gonna go full Teddy from Persona 4.
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u/eleccross May 02 '26
Back in my day we just picked some random looser off the street with no powers or skill to their name and there was barely anything else to them
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u/andykhang May 03 '26
That or we trick them into a one-way trip to hell with a blood donation and job application (most unrealistic part nowaday, even going to hell need 5 years of experience and prior recommendation)
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u/miiko_uch May 03 '26
This is another opportunity to glaze Kiana Kaslana
-Not a quite mc -Not a self insert -Talks a lot(sometimes too much)
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u/za_boss one star May 02 '26
haha lmao yeah, look at those dumb amnesiac mcs
yeah my gacha also has one, but it's different guys I swear, on my game it is actually well done and based
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u/IncomeMain7276 May 02 '26
lol exactly what I was thinking reading this thread lmao. so much cope
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u/SomnusKnight May 03 '26
gachacopers do be like that
if they say that their gacha MC character is ackshually a legit, fully actualized character on par with beloved classic jrpg MCs like Cloud or Estelle they would immediately get laughed at the door
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u/Sweaty_Strain9392 May 03 '26
i liked it when Arknights did it because the people around you knew you from before your amnesia and theyre all either afraid of you, wary of you, or outright detest you. You're dropped into a leadership role but your main colleague outright hates your guts and thinks youre faking it.
I feel like a lot of the time Amnesia is used without really having the other characters address it beyond "whoa you have no memories and a strange ability? Well, lets just show you around!" In AK its more "Oh hey so you dont remember that time you sacrificed my best friend to complete a mission? No? Fuck you."
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u/Dante_Avalon FGO LoH RiseOfEros May 02 '26
Story with Amnezia MC
He was ultra cool but lost his power because reasons
Everyone seems to like him or have favourable opinion of him
Every arc resolves zero questions and pushes everything to "will get told in 7 years"
Main Evil seems to know the past and what happened with MC
The gameplay includes 3 buttons
Optimization for middle range phones are non existing
Most of modes more enjoyable on PC, but game advertising as mobile gacha
Now, about which game I'm talking about?
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u/Golden-Owl Game Designer with a YouTube hobby May 02 '26
WuWa, based on how everyone randomly likes the protag for zero reason
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u/Standard-Effort5681 May 03 '26
Trick question, the correct answer is "all of them".
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u/Abadon_U May 02 '26
can't be endfield, it has 4 buttons, so is NTE. Maybe HSR? but hsr has 2 buttons, that is hard one
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u/ClearedDruid32 May 03 '26
We need a gacha game where the mc is a happily married man with kids and anytime one of the girls shows interest in the mc his wife suplexes them
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u/WhyHowForWhat May 03 '26
I'm still waiting for said gacha games you know. I want to play with a team full pack of real family
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u/Virtual-Oil-793 May 02 '26
New Gacha Game
MC with memory loss
Story does not treat the MC as a self-insert
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u/kidanokun May 02 '26
Literally WuWa
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u/Klutzy-Complaint-328 May 03 '26
everyone goes with amnesia because it's the most straightforward solution to write a self-insert story that can fit everyone. The real problem is the obsession with self-inserts
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u/Golden-Owl Game Designer with a YouTube hobby May 02 '26
It’s a fast and easy way to solve the exposition issue.
Usually protagonists in a story need some reason to justify having stuff get explained to them.
Classic stories would work around this by having the protagonist be a country bumpkin thrust into a big world (e.g Star Wars, the Hobbit), or introduce them to a whole new world altogether (Harry Potter, Narnia), or have them as a foreigner in a new land (Around the World in 80 days… kinda)
Amnesia is a viable choice.
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u/pm_me_fibonaccis Blue Archive May 02 '26
Where's my sheltered rich kid protagonist that suffers from chronic affluenza.
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u/Golden-Owl Game Designer with a YouTube hobby May 02 '26
Well first we need to find a convenient, identical-looking poor kid to swap him with…
That or forcibly kick them out into the world and let them learn survival skills (Flushed Away)
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u/Budget-Emu-1365 May 02 '26
Genshin Traveler being an illegal alien smuggled into Teyvat without consent and the Abyss Sibling being the amnesiac MC of their own story 🤣
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u/DerpTripz May 03 '26
Abyss Sibling being gaslit into leading Khaenri'ah lol
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u/Budget-Emu-1365 May 03 '26
While unknowingly being exploited by King Irmin. At a first glance, that would be a dope gacha game story ngl. Of course, it all depends on execution.
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u/Ok-Apricot-555 May 02 '26
Yeah and Endfield are latest examples of the ultimate boredom of amnesia MC.
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u/Feeling_Mention_6113 May 03 '26
lack of kalsit is the biggest flaw of endfield tbh
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u/Meowjoker May 03 '26
And then there is FGO
Where you are literally a nobody and also a bottom of the barrel Master, but everyone make do with you because every other more qualified candidates are dead.
Hell, you were caught sleeping in the middle of hallway by Mash during your first set of dialogues of the game.
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u/LokoLoa May 02 '26
I know they making him/her amnesiac cause they want players to self-insert, but would be cool to see a game where MC just knows everything and hes the one explaining shit to other ppl, off the top of my head, one of the few gacha that does this is Counterside where MC is basically a mastermind is planning shit 3 moves ahead of everyone or w/e. Technically MC in Eversoul is not amnesiac, he just get isekaid thousands of years into the future so he has no idea wtf is going (but later one we found out her forgot shit from his previous incarnation aka when he banged Ayame, so thats kind of amnesiac?)
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u/LovableLandstar May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
So Vertin from Reverse: 1999? I mean in the beginning she kinda kidnapped a british pirate by stuffing her inside her suitcase, and then proceed to explained the plot of the game to the pirate.
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u/The_OG_upgoat May 03 '26
Funny thing is, Dante from Limbus is also an amnesiac who remembers nothing about the shithole city they live in. It's done well in that case though.
And I guess Don counts as the yappy annoying mascot companion
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u/iDigitalBlockz LIMBUS COMPANY (DON QUIXOTE #1 FAN/HUSBAND/WIFE/LOVER) ❤️❤️❤️❤️ May 02 '26
THATS WHY DANTES THE GOOOOOAAATTT!!! THE GOATTTTT
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u/The_OG_upgoat May 03 '26
Tbf he does have amnesia too. And Faust becomes Miss Exposition for him.
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u/TheNikola2020 May 03 '26
I mean it kinda worked for limbus company Dante's memory loss is really more towards as their true identity being some mysterious figure instead of them being left for self insert
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u/inconsisting May 02 '26
Gacha story starter pack: