r/greatestgen 1d ago

Episode Ep 640: Infinite Roundhouse (TNG S1E19)

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r/greatestgen 4d ago

Episode Ep 388: Dick Obliterated (SNW S1E6)

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r/greatestgen 6h ago

Spoilers for SNW S4E5 "Level 5 Transporter Incident" and GT "Sentient Bar Rag" Spoiler

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For a Star Trek episode I didn't like, I've got a lot of thoughts about it and what the boys said about it in their review. For one thing, as much as the "it was all just a dream" ending sucks, this isn't the first time Star Trek has used it. And a lot of the other times they have it has worked really well.

TNG: The Inner Light - Picard gets flute lessons from some dead aliens and no one else in the cast is present or experiences anything that happens.

TNG: Remember Me - Dr. Crusher is trapped in a rapidly collapsing warp bubble universe, and is the only character present to experience the events of the episode.

DS9: Far Beyond The Stars - Sisko experiences visions of Earth's past and has to figure out whether he is the captain of a space station or the author writing that story, whether he is the dream or the dreamer.

I'm sure there are more, but these are all really good "all just a dream" episodes. So why is Level 5 Transporter Incident so bad? I think the short answer is that L5TI doesn't have anything interesting to say about Spock or the world Spock inhabits. At the end of every "just a dream" story it's easy to say that nothing mattered because we just reset at the end, but those three examples did matter. They mattered to the characters that experienced the dream.

But L5TI doesn't seem to actually matter to Spock. Interpreting it through the lens that it's Spock's brain that is making everything that happens happen, it's a decent way to realize the young T'pring says about Enterprise being a ship of chaos. Spock is the only half Vulcan aboard and feels disconnected from everyone else, torn between the chaotic humans and his logical Vulcan ex. (Because I guess he doesn't hang out with any of the other alien species on the ship?)

It doesn't work because that's a boring story. It's the only story any writer has ever bothered telling about Spock and it's about as fun as watching Batman's parents or Spiderman's uncle get shot for the millionth time.

Still, I think it could have been an ok episode if the writers really leaned in to that being the story they're telling. To really sell the idea though, you need to really have a contrast between chaotic puppet cartoon logic and the normal way things are supposed to be. And I think part of that would be Spock or someone else explicitly stating the thesis that he needs to decide between chaos and logic. That is gestured at maybe, but compare to Remember Me where Beverly is constantly pushing back at the changing reality of her world or Far Beyond The Stars where Sisko blurs the line intentionally between dream and dreamer.

It also doesn't work because Spock can't go anywhere. He can't change in any meaningful way because we already know how he is in his future and spoilers it's not that different from where he is now. The end of the episode should be that he either chooses logic or embraces chaos, or maybe invents his own third option. But he doesn't really decide anything by the end so none of the chaos he experiences actually ends up mattering to him. And since it doesn't matter to him, it doesn't matter to the audience. And since that's the only thing that really happens in the episode the whole episode doesn't really matter.

It's fine. The puppet stuff is fun. I like that "puppet matter" and living felt aren't canonically real in Star Trek. The episode isn't the worst, but I can't imagine seeking it out for a rewatch.

And not that it matters since Adam won't read this, but the Wrath of Khan reference is also fun and treating old Star Trek as sacred is exactly the root cause of the whole "not my Star Trek" crowd. This also couldn't have been a lower decks episode because there wouldn't be any contrast between the chaotic puppets and the chaotic cartoons.

Anyways I'll take my answer in the merch line.


r/greatestgen 1d ago

Remmick was definitely infected.

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Adam and Ben conclude Quinn and Remmick aren't infected yet, and their reasoning makes sense. But we learn in Conspiracy that Remmick has a special Giant Nubbin' Bug inside him. When his is dead all the others die. If Remmick is infected with the Queen Nubbin' then he was probably the first to be infected, which means he definitely was during this episode.


r/greatestgen 1d ago

Finally found Ben's mugshot?!?!

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r/greatestgen 1d ago

Episode artwork on subscriber feed

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Is it possible to get the episode artwork that’s on the ad feed on the founders feed? Is there a setting I need to do maybe in Apple Podcasts?


r/greatestgen 1d ago

Kevin?

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r/greatestgen 1d ago

Hey Ben! What's that, Adam? Did you like this episode?

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r/greatestgen 3d ago

Episode Companion gone Spoiler

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I'm several months behind listening to Greatest Trek and I just heard the episode that ended with a Priority One that expressed sorrow about Darwin's passing. 😢 I was very sorry to hear that. I remember episodes of him barking in the background especially when 'Angry Ben' would yell. Ben, you have my belated condolences on Darwin's passing. I went through the same thing a couple of years ago with my lab.


r/greatestgen 3d ago

TNG “A warrior’s name”

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r/greatestgen 3d ago

🔥 Botryoidal malachite double phallus from Paris Mineralogy Museum

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a warrior's rock


r/greatestgen 3d ago

TNG for a buyer of special conscience

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it's $5.9M prime malibu neighborhood so i'm thinking a gofundme is not feasible. so i'm just wondering, were there to be squatters at kevin uxbridge's house. would there be a law to fit that crime


r/greatestgen 4d ago

Ben and Adam are wrong

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I've listened tk the podcast from the beginning amd I've never disagreed with them as hard as I do over the new series of SNW.

The hosts sat through the USS Feelings on Discovery and they even found nice things to say about the colossal dumpster fire that was every season of Picard, but they dont like SNW season 4? Inconceivable!

Did they have a falling out with Big Rod? Are they pissed because theyve lost their screeners or something?

SNW was always good because it was a return to bottle episodes and weirdo of the week. Dinosaurs, Horror, Casablanca and frickin Puppets? Hell yes! This is what star trek is supposed to be.

Boys. You are flat wrong.


r/greatestgen 4d ago

Yeah they got this right.

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r/greatestgen 4d ago

Kamin hittin that pipe...says he's "captain of a spaceship..."

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r/greatestgen 4d ago

Was the puppet episode always to be a dream?

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Listening to today's episode on S4E6 of SNW, at least twice they referred to the previous episode with the puppets as if it really happened.

Since they record these episodes ahead of time since they're fortunate enough to get screeners, I'm staring to wonder if they recorded this episode on the belief that S4E5 was an in-world real-life transporter accident. Then, before air, that episode was changed to make it all just a dream.

They'd have to have recorded a new ending to the pod, but this episode has mentions of that episode woven in and it wouldn't be easy or worthwhile to take out instances of them "mistakenly" referring to these events as having happened.

Anyway, just wondering aloud... I don't really expect them to address it since they may be under NDA about such significant differences between screeners and as-aired episodes.


r/greatestgen 4d ago

If Michael Dorn was on Brent Spiner’s shoulders here would it be “Worf on a bot on a yacht at the wharf”?

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Sorry, I know it’s barely topical. I’m too chicken to post that as a reply in a non-FoD space and it’s one of my favorite Adam & Ben bits.


r/greatestgen 6d ago

RSVP

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r/greatestgen 6d ago

Meta emlowz - The Picardos

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This content creator continues to blend the best of both worlds.


r/greatestgen 7d ago

Klaxon

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Holy shit, I’ve been loving the Klaxon bit in the new run of TNG. But this week’s (S1E18, 41:00) got me good. Just repeating quietly underneath the actual sound bite? Chef’s kiss. Thank you, Wynde/Adam.


r/greatestgen 7d ago

TNG Such an 80s episode

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r/greatestgen 6d ago

Bad Bit Moment [TW: NBoT]

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r/greatestgen 6d ago

Name that quote…

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Years ago I remember the guys saying “I just wish I could live in this world forever…” but I can’t find the episode. Maybe a Friendly Fire??? Tracking down what they were talking about would deeply calm my soul.


r/greatestgen 7d ago

I'll take my answer...

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