r/handguns • u/FortitudinousSoul556 • 1d ago
I finally understand.
Recently acquired a Glock 19 Gen6 COA. It’s my first experience with Glock and now I fully understand why people appreciate Glock. Simplicity, safety, shootability, etc. and I think that the palm swell, backstraps, and new grip of the Gen6 are fantastic. Most of my experience is behind a Walther PDP which I also think is fantastic, but I find Glock (this will sound very contrast from most opinions) more comfortable for my hands and easier to shoot. I’m looking into a 17.6 for competition and, having experienced the trigger of the Gen6, I think for competition sake I would swap it out. Would appreciate all recommendations and extra brownie points if you explain why you like it or can compare it to other triggers.
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u/Castled22 1d ago
What makes the Glock easier to shoot than the pdp? Does it have less recoil?
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 1d ago
I’d say recoil is a factor, as I feel like Glock double stacks are known to be pretty soft shooters. But it all comes down to the end user and what works for them, ya know? Like I have a Walther full sized grip, but the compact grip fits my hands much better and makes it more shootable. I have a difficult time getting my support hand comfortable on the full sized grip. So between recoil, grip, how well the dot returns to target, etc. just for me personally I perform better with the G19. Overall though on paper, the PDP is the better gun and I enjoy it so much. Maybe because it’s more of a challenge to perfect my shooting with? Not sure.
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u/SnakeEyes_76 1d ago
Same boat as you. I modified my Springfield Echelon with a new trigger, steel guide rod, reduced recoil spring, tungsten weights and metal back strap for pistol matches. It's a nice shooter don't get me wrong but I went to the range yesterday and shot it alongside my stock Glock 47 and honestly the Glock still feels easier for me to shoot quickly and accurately. I wish there was an explanation
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u/Castled22 1d ago
This is interesting to me because I’m having a hard time deciding between the Gen 6 G19 or the Echelon. Both are fantastic in their own right but if the Glock is that much more of a softer shooter, which I’ve heard other users report as well, then I’m leaning for the Glock.
However, I’ve heard others say the comped Echelon is softer than the Gen 6. But I’d prefer not to carry a comped pistol. And then also it makes me wonder, at least for range purposes, how a comped Gen 6 would do against the comped Echelon then?
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 1d ago
I will say that my stock Glock 19.6 shoots softer than some comped guns I’ve shot. That being said, I’ve also shot a stock Echelon before (non-comped) and I think it is an extremely underrated pistol and was an easy and accurate shooter. Shot pretty soft from what I remember. But if I’m being honest, you’ll always regret not getting the Glock and you’ll always think about it.
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u/elliottshoots 16h ago
Do you think ramjets or overkill on 19,45,and 17’s?
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u/SnakeEyes_76 13h ago
I don't have one so I can't speak to it from personal experience. I think it looks really cool and I appreciate the innovation of making a comp without requiring a threaded barrel for folks in tyrant states. But it's also pretty expensive. I don't know that you get the performance boost in relation to the cost. Perhaps people who own one can chime in.
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u/elliottshoots 13h ago
I’ve shot one, my buddy has 2 of them. I think they make the Glocks feel like “C” model Glocks. I think it’s overkill in a 19. The 19 shoots nice and soft already lol. I think the ramjet is hella effective in a 43x …. 🔥. Both are amazing but. I guess preference. 🎯
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 12h ago
I do think they’re overkill personally just because of the high price tag, and double stack Glocks shoot so well already. But I could totally get behind a Ramjet on the 43x as it makes a substantial difference in its snappiness.
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u/elliottshoots 12h ago
Okok, I knew my logic wasn’t bad. I shot both. The ramjet just felt like an added on “C” cut. That 43x tho. Man oh man. Super effective on there. Makes a whole different gun. I go back and forth on which one makes sense to do for me.
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u/SWATAttorney 1d ago
did you try the pdp compact if the grip was too big?
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 1d ago
I have tried the PDP compact grip and like it significantly more. Feel like it has more room for my support hand and my hands feel more secure. Felt like I had much more control.
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u/Pjb7490 1d ago
The amount of recoil feels the same to me but how they recoil is different. Glocks feel like they push back into my hand. PDPs feel like a wave and then a snap back to zero. I like both but i prefer the PDP especially after slapping a zrts guide rod in it
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 1d ago
ZRT VSpec is the way.
I think I honestly need to just work on my grip. I only just started shooting in January and fell in love and have really become a decent shooter, but I should probably take a class of some kind so that I can improve before trying competition shooting. With my PDP I feel like I have a hard time landing my dot in the same spot after each shot I let off during a bill drill. I prob just need help diagnosing my grip or shooting form. Videos can only help so much before working with an experienced shooter.
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u/anachronism11 1d ago
Huh, the return to zero is one of the PDPs known strengths over most other stock guns out there (unlike the Glock). Same goes for the trigger. Also a novice shooter but suggests something in your form may be worth being looked at. Glad you’re liking your new gun!
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 1d ago
I wholeheartedly blame myself and not the gun, you’re right that the PDP is known for its return to zero. I think my issue is right hand dominance, or putting too much force into my wrists instead of letting the gun do the work itself to return to zero. I’ve been watching Ben Stoeger videos which have been insightful and he often talks about my last point there.
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u/SovietRobot 1d ago
The polymer competition PDP has a better trigger than the Glock. The sear engagement of the PDP is 90 degrees so it’s empirically a much cleaner / lighter break. But somehow it recoils a little snappier. I suspect it’s a combination of the recoil spring and slide design.
The steel competition PDP recoils less than the Glock but it’s a much different feel. It’s almost slower to split but you have to be shooting fast competitively to notice.
That said after having competed with everything under the sun from 1911s to CZ to HK to Sigs to Staccatos to Walthers, I myself have gone back to the Glock. It’s not the best but it works and there’s not enough of a difference for me at this point to use different.
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 1d ago
The PDP trigger is fantastic and your first shot is likely going to be more accurate than anything else you could shoot. But my follow up shots aren’t as consistent. Again, I think it’s user error more than anything and I just need to practice with it and fix my grip. Could also be that I’m looking through the tiny window of the ACRO, lol. But I think that I will get a 17.6 as I hope to get into competition shooting.
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u/DaggerOutlaw bang bang pew pew 1d ago
To me, the PDP feels top-heavy overall, which is why it has such a snappy return to zero, sorta similar to the way a P226 is fun to shoot.
Like you, I keep coming back to the Glock. I’m just slightly more consistent with it, despite having put way more rounds through everything else that I find to be more fun :/
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u/elliottshoots 16h ago
I have a gen 6 19 as well, sick in the head of me wanting to get a COA.
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 16h ago
The COA is very nice. Very crisp and very high quality, a step up from the ACRO in my opinion in regard to the window:housing ratio and seemingly a crisper dot. But I think that we are fortunate to live in a time where there are so many fantastic options regardless of what people’s biases say. Holosun is fantastic and I’d probably have an EPS on my G19 if I didn’t have the COA. Vortex is fantastic. Trijicon is obviously fantastic but pricier. You can’t go wrong with any of them. I don’t have any experience with OSight or Sig dots but some people either love them or hate them.
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u/elliottshoots 15h ago
My buddy has a 17 COA gen 6. I have a p2 gen 5 19. Im a osight believer. I have a holosun, but now it’s to the point if I’m buying an optic ima go osight from my experience. 💪 that coa man, I want one. lol not even a need I just want a coa.
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u/FortitudinousSoul556 12h ago
What makes you stick with OSight over competitors like Holosun, Vortex, etc.? Just the price point or do you think they’re better in some areas? I haven’t even looked through an OSight optic so I’m curious.
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u/elliottshoots 12h ago
I had an eps carry, and got a osight se shortly after.I can say I enjoy the se more just for how crisp the reticle is in the window. It just works better for me eyes and for half the price. 1k rounds through the SE no issues. Why I was considering just getting one for my gen 6. It works well.
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u/elliottshoots 12h ago
I had the vortex venom on my gen 6 starting off. Had it installed 3x. It sat too high. Maybe been a dud, but I just sold it. Heard mixed things, on them. But typically how it goes. Everyone experience is different.
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u/farside808 1d ago
I have a PDP and an RXM. They're both great in different ways. The PDP shoots easily. The RXM shoots solidly. Not sure if that makes sense, but that's how I'd describe it.