r/hatethissmug • u/Sudden-Hoe-2578 • 10h ago

Non-fictional I HATE these "gotcha arguments"

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"Ohhh, look how I tricked this dumb dumb baby in my trap so now I am right and they are wrong. I'm so smaaart even though it does not adress the actual argument and adds nothing to the debate. They teach arabic numerals in school btw."

And these type of comments always get tons of likes

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u/Even-Tear-6965 10h ago

I think it addresses how uneducated people are about fetuses or just about conception and pregnancy as a whole yet still believe they know enough to be hold strong rigid opinions.

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u/Not_So_Normal_ 10h ago edited 10h ago

Most pro choice people cant tell the difference either, Saying this as pro choice, its just a bad faith argument 

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 9h ago

I think you’re missing the forest from the trees here…

We don’t have to know what kind of fetus something is, because our arguments aren’t predicated on defining a fetus as a person.

But if you’re going to claim a fetus is a person then I’d expect you to be able to point out a fetus with human DNA from something. Unless you’re going to claim that all animals are persons too.

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u/Goosepond01 4h ago

But if you’re going to claim a fetus is a person then I’d expect you to be able to point out a fetus with human DNA from something.

Why?

I don't see it being relevant to the argument at all, it doesn't invalidate the point at all, I'd imagine most people would fall for this regardless of their opinion, it really is just a pointless gotcha.

It's really obvious what the subtext to this is, the main question is when does life begin and contextually we all understand that the conversation isn't going to be about where life begins in dolphins but in the more contentious and popular question regarding humans.

to put it in a different context imagine I said to you "why shouldn't this bit of artwork be in a art gallery" and showed a picture that looked like AI and had a watermark you might say something about how it wasn't made by a human, about art theft or whatever, if I then said "actually that was drawn by a human as a form of protest against AI"

all that really does it prove the two things can at times be hard to tell apart, it may mean that your specific view on this exact image changes, but it doesn't invalidate your view that AI art isn't made by humans and has other issues.

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 3h ago

Even if I grant you all that. It doesn’t change the fact that pro-lifers have the more inconsistent definitions on life, quality of life, prioritizing life, and the concept of personhood.

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u/Goosepond01 2h ago

Ok but that wasn't the question.

and it's not like pro lifers are one hivemind, I'm sure plenty do have bad definitions of life and all that jazz, I'm sure some don't, it's a very difficult topic