r/hotas • u/Milkersathome • 7h ago
r/hotas • u/ddrake1984 • Sep 03 '20
considering your first HOTAS? Read me!
[last edit 01/07/2024]
Welcome to r/hotas!
If you're considering your first HOTAS (Hands On Throttle and Stick) setup, you've come to the right place. This guide will help you make an informed decision.
If you are instead looking for product reviews, I publish my articles here: HOTAS/HOSAS/SIMPIT Reviews
Introduction
This subreddit is managed by u/spliffa and u/ddrake1984. If you need assistance with anything not covered in this post, please reach out to us via private message, and we will try to assist you.
This guide is published and pinned for the benefit of new potential HOTAS buyers. The publisher of this article has first-hand experience with real aircraft flight controls and computer flight controls across a wide range of manufacturers, used for playing in flight simulation.
Purpose
This guide aims to assist first-time buyers in making an educated decision when purchasing their first joystick, throttle, and other flight control peripherals.
The Problem
With a growing number of HOTAS products on the market, it can be challenging to identify the best options. Products vary widely in:
- Price
- Features
- Customer support
Additionally, products have a wide range of:
- Costs
- Features
- Support via customer interactions and product patches and updates
The Budget
Whether you're looking for a budget-friendly option or the top-tier products, this guide will categorize recommendations into five budget ranges:
For those who prefer to build their own with a bit of knowledge and skills, check out our Discord server or visit this subreddit: r/HotasDIY.
Budget Ranges
Note: All prices will be listed in U.S. Dollars (Even though I am Australian, USD is the easiest to base value from)
- Entry-Level ($10 to $100)
- Novice-Tier ($100-$200)
- Mid-Tier ($200-$300)
- Advanced-Tier ($300-$400)
- Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: This is the very best you can buy as a consumer with a lot of money.
Note: Top-tier does not include what a company or industry could or would purchase. This article is not tailored for that, therefore this is out of scope.
The Companies / The Manufacturers / The Vendors
I will list many companies/manufacturers/vendors (all the same) and the products that they offer. However, this post is not an in-depth review of the products. Please read product reviews for that level of detail and information.
The products will be listed to give you an idea of what is available within each range, and at the end, I will list the recommendation for each budget range.
Best Joystick (Base + Grip)
- Entry-Level ($10 to $100): Thrustmaster T.16000
- Novice-Tier ($100-$200): WINWING Ursa Minor
- Mid-Tier ($200-$300): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F16 Grip
- Advanced-Tier ($300-$400): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F16 Grip, or VKB Gunfighter Mk4 Base + Space Combat Edition Grip
- Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: FSSB (Force Sensing Stick Base) TIANHANG F16 PRO Base + TIANHANG F-16 Grip, or FFB (Force Feedback) VPForce RHINO Base + TIANHANG A-10C Grip or TIANHANG F/A-18 Grip
Question: Why was the FFBeast not listed as the best FFB?
Answer: Simply put, its value comparison has not been validated by me. The available information from reviews is scarce, making it difficult to ascertain its value. Additionally, the community is mostly non-native English speaking, making it difficult to track and follow the content. Therefore, I have decided that there is not enough evidence to claim it is better than the VPForce RHINO. Based on my own experience, I do not consider it superior until proven otherwise.
Since this post is focused on first-time buyers, I feel it's already quite lengthy and would confuse anyone wanting to debate the matter.
Best Throttle (Base + Grip)
- Entry-Level ($10 to $100): Thrustmaster TWCS
- Novice-Tier ($100-$200): Thrustmaster TWCS, or WINWING Ursa Minor with Z-extension
- Mid-Tier ($200-$300): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F-15E Grip, or WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F/A-18 Grip
- Advanced-Tier ($300-$400): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F-15EX Grip, or WINWING F-16 Grip
- Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: WINWING Super Taurus + WINWING F-15EX Grip, or WINWING F-16 Grip
Bonus: Best Pedals
Although this post is tailored for first-time HOTAS buyers, I will include this section to accommodate those wishing to take a more comprehensive first step into flight sims. As we all know, a good set of pedals is a requirement for flying helicopters.
- Entry-Level: No recommendations - I don't recommend anything in this price range.
- Novice-Tier: No recommendations - I don't recommend anything in this price range.
- Mid-Tier: VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV
- Advanced-Tier: WINWING Orion Metal Flight Rudder Pedals
- Pro-Tier: Custom FFB Pedals using VPForce motors built with either (Slaw Device, MFG Crosswinds, or VIRPIL Rudders)
Bonus: Best Collective
- Collective (Base + Grip): VIRPIL Rotor TCS Base + VIRPIL Apache-64 Collective Grip
I don't recommend any other collectives on the market, and it's a shame that some companies have discontinued their collective options.
Useful Links
r/hotas • u/juforceone • 7h ago
[WTS] VKB Gladiator NXT Evo left and right sticks, left Omni adaptor, mounts
Excellent condition, used about 50 hrs in star citizen. Bought originally in April 2026.
I am selling these because I originally got Virpil Aeromaxes, but the left stick still hasn’t shipped/been produced after many months. So I got impatient and got these for SC, but I haven’t had time lately to play
The left stick is boxed as an Omni throttle but then I got the vertical stick adapter later on and liked it more. Both will be included.
The mounts are these ones from Amazon:
Solid and heavy, adjustable, fit the bases well. I added a little bit of foam tape at the bottoms so they don’t scrape your knees.
Asking $260 shipped to lower 48 for everything. Would prefer to sell it all together.
r/hotas • u/StephenStax • 13h ago
For Sale: VKB Gladiator NXT EVO Premium SCG (R)+ Omni Throttle (L) $220 Ships in US
Item: VKB Gladiator NXT EVO (stick + base) and Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle
Condition: Like new, barely used
Includes: Both units complete with original boxes/packaging
Price: $220, shipped
Payment: PayPal G&S only
Location: Ships within USA
Selling my Gladiator NXT EVO stick and Omni Throttle together — barely used, like-new condition, everything shown in the photos. Upgrading/reallocating my setup. Both original boxes included for safe shipping. Happy to answer questions, provide timestamp photos, or take more pics on request.
For Sale: VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Right €100 + shipping (Europe)
In good shape, all original parts and boxes included. Selling because of upgrades.
r/hotas • u/12893705160231231245 • 8h ago
Looking to buy the Gladiator NXT Evo Space Combat Edition primarily for MSFS 2020 in VR, do I need the right or left handed version?
Hey guys. New to flight sims and will be using my Quest 3 to play MSFS 2020 in VR. I'm looking for a dedicated stick and have decided on the Gladiator NXT Evo Space Combat Edition. I'm just wondering do I need the left or right handed version? I'm right hand dominant & seems most people use left handed sticks? I'll be using the stick as a throttle as well. Thank you!
r/hotas • u/Broad_Anything6056 • 8h ago
Pedais de leme Winwing Orion vs. Moza MRP (com amortecedores) - Comprando na China, qual escolher?
Possible upgrades for the VKB Gladiator NXT for HOTAS
My VKB Gladiator NXT is already very old and i want to upgrade it.
I've read a lot of new brands in the last months, WinWin, Moza, Virpil, ...
Which Sticks/Brands i should check out?
r/hotas • u/Lacergaming • 14h ago
Good HOTAS in the 500-600€ range
Hey all,
New to flightsims/flying in general, but I want a good setup in the price range of 500-600€. I’m of course open to a setup that’s cheaper ;)
I mainly like flying helicopters, and would like to do so in games like DCS (also jets), WARDOGS and ARMA Reforger. Might even go for some MSFS2024 and Elite Dangerous.
I borrowed the TM t16000m and twcs from a colleague for some months, but ended up getting tired of it because I didn’t like how it felt, if that makes sense.
I’ve heard great things about Virpil, but everything they have is on backorder. So I’ve been looking at mainly the VKB gladiator and STECS, but the Moza ab6 has really caught my eye, as it seems like a potentially really good cyclic. I also think I saw something about the base, being compatible with both virpil and thrustmaster sticks
r/hotas • u/warsuxletsparty • 16h ago
VKB Gladiator baseplate thickness?
Waiting on my Gladiator NXT EVO to arrive and I'm building the desk mount in the meantime, so I'm working blind on a couple of numbers.
Can anyone with the stick in hand throw a caliper on it for me?
- Thickness of the steel baseplate itself (mm)
- Height of the stock adhesive rubber feet (mm)
- Total stack, plate + feet, i.e. how far the metal sits off the desk
Also curious whether people usually leave the rubber feet on when hard-mounting, or peel them for a flush metal-to-mount fit.
Many thanks!!!
r/hotas • u/UrkaDurkaBoom • 17h ago
Mounting Winctrl ICP to Virpil desk mount.
Has anyone mounted the winctrl ICP and/or MFDs to the Virpil desk mounts? If so how did you do it? I ordered the icp & 2 mfds and am just curious how difficult it’s going to be to mount em to my desk mounts if possible at all.
r/hotas • u/AlphaBravoTango_Sim • 1d ago
Print Files, Instructions and Hardware Kits NOW AVAIALBE!
By popular demand, the BlackWidow mounts are now available as 3D print files and hardware kits!
These are stowaway HOTAS mounts. They allow you to instantly turn your office desk into a cockpit and back, without compromise.
This was a lot of work, hope you guys enjoy!
r/hotas • u/throwawayzyxw2 • 1d ago
Is it always a bit of a pain to configure your set up in a new game or am I just doing it wrong?
Got my VKB Gladiator EVO SC premium (right) in the mail yesterday, ran through the set up and calibration (not sure if i did this correctly).
Been trying it out with a few different games: DCS, Arma Reforger, and Nuclear Option.
The games recognize the joystick no problem, but getting the joystick motions and button mappings setup feels difficult each time. The difficulty ranges in the games I mentioned.
I understand that a players preferred button mappings are always different, but why don’t games have any presets for popular sticks or setups? Is there some software that acts as a middle man between the stick and these games and makes things easier? Or a website with popular config files for popular sticks + games? I guess this would be even more difficult for those that have more peripherals like a throttle and pedals (which i also happened to have ordered)
Perhaps i’ve been spoiled from my years of KBM and controllers…
r/hotas • u/Turbulent_Basis9141 • 19h ago
Should I settle for the Thrustmaster TCA or pay more for the WINWING URSA MINOR?
Hey everyone. I’m looking to get my first proper flight stick for MSFS 2020 (may upgrade tå 2024 in the future)
I’m currently deciding between:
Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus Edition – around $70
WINWING URSA MINOR Airline Joystick – around $62, BUT because I live in Norway, shipping is roughly $75–80, making the total around $140
The annoying part is that WINWING’s EU store offers the URSA MINOR for around €59.90 with free shipping, but Norway isn’t in the EU, so they won’t ship it to me under the EU shipping option. But the global option instead.
So I’d be paying roughly double for the URSA MINOR compared to the TCA.
I’ve also looked into package forwarding services where I could get it shipped to an EU address and then forwarded to Norway, but I’m not sure if the savings would actually be worth the hassle after forwarding costs and Norwegian VAT.
What would you guys do?
Is the URSA MINOR enough of an upgrade over the TCA to justify spending ~$140, or would you just buy the TCA for ~$70 and save the money?
I’m also interested in how much better the URSA MINOR actually feels in practice, especially for Airbus/MSFS.
Thanks!
Non-combat games
I have been given a x52 hotas and although i do enjoy some combat flying, i prefer to do objective based stuff like cargo, passenger hauling.
Do you have any game suggestions?
Much appreciated for any replies :)
r/hotas • u/Substantial_Code6306 • 21h ago
looking to buy a hotas
im trying to find a good set up for games like arma 3, squad, and wardogs, is the difference between a collective and a throttle big enough to be worth how much they cost? and are there any good places to look for used set ups ive only been on marketplace
r/hotas • u/Educational_Basil_54 • 1d ago
Flight base upgrade
Hello! I want to upgrade my Thrustmaster Warthog base and I ordered the Moza AB9 base and the MTLP panel. I would also want to get the Moza z-axis module, but I want it strictly to extend the joystick travel. I see on the website that the z axis can be locked, but it doesn’t mention in which position it’s locked. Can you lock it so that the stick remains slightly rotated to improve ergonomy or can you only lock it in the center position? Thanks
r/hotas • u/thegamerdoggo • 1d ago
Best stuff to buy?
I have no idea what I’m looking at, I’m interested in getting a HOTAS system
(Games listed at the bottom)
I looked at the Logitech x56 and that looks good but I’ve heard it’s out of date or something
I looked at the thrustmaster WARTHOG and I can afford it but it’s a little expensive and I don’t know what else I’m going to have to buy for this and what that’ll run me
I just want to know what’s the best things to get, what things do I need to get for a great setup, and how do you people use a HOTAS without pedals because those are really important to actual flying, I do plan on getting pedals but I also don’t know what pedals
If you have any questions you need to know from me lmk
Games I plan on playing:
-wardogs
-war thunder
-MCFS
-MAYBE DCS
-Star citizen
-squad
-does arma reforger allow HOTAS?
r/hotas • u/RTDquestionaccount • 1d ago
How do we feel about this setup?
Edit: I am a colossal idiot and did not realize that there was a wiki for this subreddit. I apologize, I don't use this platform often. I'll leave this post up if I'm still confused.
Edit 2: The wiki guides seem to be years out of date, so I'll leave this post up.
Hello all. I've been getting back into DCS (specifically the Viper) and I'm getting tired of using an xbox controller. I've been looking into getting this throttle and this stick. I have a budget of ~300 USD, though I can go a bit over if absolutely necessary. Really just wanting to hear if there's any better products in this price range as it seems like I'm always finding new products that are better in some way for the same price or slightly more.
Thank you.
r/hotas • u/aloeballo • 1d ago
Twitchy yaw control?
Using Thrustmaster 160000 with the pedals
Wondering if using something more expensive would be better or if it is just the game..
r/hotas • u/Ashy_Anklez • 1d ago
Sim Racer Takes on Flying — Well… I Think I’m Hooked. Need Gear + VR Advice
r/hotas • u/Interesting_Can_7632 • 1d ago
Looking for my first HOTAS
Hello everyone,
I’m fairly new to DCS and I’m looking to buy my first HOTAS. I started playing since may on a ps5 controller, since then I have been learning how to fly and operate the F-16 module, and let’s just say ever since then I’m HOOKED big time. I’ve got to the point where I think I’m pretty comfortable with the module (as far as you can get on a controller), but I’m coming to the point where it’s feeling like it’s holding me back. I don’t own a HOTAS nor head tracking jet.
I want to invest in a quality HOTAS which will serve me for the coming years without having to worry about upgrading or being let down by the quality or functionality. For now I want to focus on mastering the F-16 before even thinking about getting a new module. My budget is around $500-$1000 in total.
So my questions to you guys are:
-What kind of HOTAS should I look in to? (Preferably something similar to a IRL military style HOTAS)
- Do I need to pair my HOTAS with rudder pedals or is that optional?
- what type of Head tracking do you guys recommend?
- is there anything else hardware related i should look in to that would enhance my experience?
Thanks in advance for the help!
r/hotas • u/Sellingstolenmeats • 1d ago
VKB Canada
Hey everyone I am in need of new cams, springs and some of the grip fasteners for the VKB sticks I have. I havent ordered from them since 2023, when they still had the NA store. Now i see they have a third party retailer here in Canada, but they dont seem to sell the cam kits and the springs are individually sold. Id rather just order it all at once so im wondering if I can just order it from the US store and eat the duties, or if there is another vendor i can get them from.
r/hotas • u/MattCFII • 1d ago
[WTS] [IN-US] Virpil T-50CM2 base, T-50CM grip, TM Warthog and TM Hornet grips
Putting my old lightly used center stick and grips up for sale. Open to offers too, especially for combo deals. Will ship in US and met up in central Indiana, maybe out of the country:
Virpil T-50CM2 base with cams and springs- $220
Virpil T-50CM grip- $120
TM Warthog grip-$140
TM Hornet grip- $140
r/hotas • u/Dramatic_Plate_5498 • 1d ago
Looking to upgrade HOTAS setup for wardogs.
Currently using a Logitech x56 setup on a dedicated simrig and sometimes clamped to the desk. Looking at upgrading for the release of the game on the 10th.
Options I was considering were the VKB with a modern combat grip ultimate, Moza AB9 or AB6 and the VBB STECS throttle or Moza MTP throttle. Does anyone have experience with there or could recommend a good upgrade path. I also play a bit of flight sim,
DCS and arm with my HOTAS.