Haze!?!?

[u/No_Aspect_2379]

I work at a mid size church without alot of money to throw around. And good haze machines recommendations for an okay price?

[u/SpaceChef3000]

Before you get too far in to the process, what kind of fire/smoke detection system does the building use?

[u/mydude311 → u/SpaceChef3000]

particulate based detectors are almost never in commercial spaces, generally those are going to be heat based.

[u/the_swanny]

First make sure you have the necessary risk assessments, staff, training and equipment to isolate fire zones, or are willing to invest in any of the above. After that choices between unique2.1s, and the smoke factory equivalents are where id be looking

[u/tragge8]

Obviously prefacing with the obligatory, please check with your local fire department and building manager to ensure your church has the correct fire detection system to allow for the use of haze. The Chauvet AmHaze Stadium is a solid hazer, might be a bit up there on your budget but definitely worth it for the ease of use and service. They just released a new IP version of the same hazer as well so it should be a little cheaper going forward getting the non IP rated version as well.

[u/HalfEatenSnickers]

Why do you need haze at a church out of curiosity?

Do you risk having asthma issues with some of your population and older attenedees?

Or is this like a mega church

[u/Alostsoulwithcatears → u/HalfEatenSnickers]

Right? The only mid sized venues with haze are rock clubs or night clubs with younger people. I can't imagine unless it's a large venue an older church going audience would appreciate haze more than find the smell and appearance to be distracting. Unless it's for like an after church music event like this guy does lol

[u/HalfEatenSnickers → u/Alostsoulwithcatears]

I think thats a college based on one of the captjons idk tho

but that is pretty cool

[u/EverydayWeTumblin]

Make sure your fire detection/suppression system isn’t going to have a conniption first but Amhaze Eco was a great unit for me in a small/medium room.

[u/Beardking98]

My first thought reading this post is that you are an overzealous volunteer or staff member. Hearing that you don’t have much budget makes it sound like the current vision and position of your church culture isn’t prioritizing atmospheric effects. I would sit with your senior pastor and have him reach out to what’s called an integration company. Great ones I’ve personally worked with are house right and summit but there may be local ones in your area. They have lots of experience talking through your churches vision and needs in the AVL space and can give you realistic number of what any upgrades may cost. I love the enthusiasm but what works at bigger churches may not work at your church right now if money is tight.

[u/SmileAndLaughrica]

The usual workhorse is a Unique 2.1 IMO.

[u/H3ddwch]

If you have the money? MDG makes the best hazers I have personally ever used. They do come with caveats though, the haze fluid is oil based which can cause some buildup on surfaces especially if used heavily and often (this might be a problem if the church is an old wooden building for example) and they require a CO2 bottle to operate.

I heard Look Solutions has released a new hazer recently that is supposed to be very good and is water based. I haven't tested it personally though.

Best water based hazer I have experienced myself is Martin Pro Haze.

I would steer clear of Unique 2.1s, Smokefactory tour hazers and other similar products simply because I don't consider the haze they produce to be suitable for a church environment. It is too obviously visible and forms clouds, instead of being a near invisible haze in the air that produces beautiful light beams.

[u/Lucky_Blacksmith1005 → u/H3ddwch]

what about antari f7x smaze’s? im about to purchase 2.

[u/H3ddwch → u/Lucky_Blacksmith1005]

I haven't encountered any so far so unfortunately I can't comment on those.

[u/No_Aspect_2379]

Just checked we have a Particulate fire detectors

[u/the_swanny → u/No_Aspect_2379]

So you will need a fire risk assessment and the relevant method statements and procedures for isolation, as well as training and people on fire watch.

[u/ThisIsTenou → u/No_Aspect_2379]

Yeah so, haze/smoke is gonna be an issue there, that will trigger it.

[u/rollerbase]

First step is checking with your local fire marshal about your system and the capability and requirements for bypassing alarms and an establishing a standing fire watch when you are using it since you have particle detectors. No hazer will work without setting them off. Second, anything MDG is the best option for quiet and volume. Small room, ATMe, large hall The One

[u/unicorn-paid-artist]

If you guys are on a budget. Dont do haze. Safe haze fluid is like $100 a gallon.

[u/newshirtworthy]

HAAAAAZE

[u/Capable-Present5483]

Before choosing a machine, I’d recommend first checking whether the venue allows haze machines. It would also help to know your budget, the size of the space, and what features you’re looking for. Maybe list out those requirements first so people here have a better idea of what to recommend.

[u/LVLsteve]

I am a HUGE fan of the hazebase Cube

[u/IWant2BeYourBitchBoy]

Whatever you do, don't forget to allocate some budget to pyrotechnics

[u/Hello56845864]

I’ve seen some small churches use ADJ’s hazer and it works well