r/longrange • u/HERBERT_224 • 1d ago

MEME POST Plus Peak 6.5cm

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Anybody else feel like they have been cautiously optimistic to try this stuff and now it can't be found anywhere? I'm thinking it will have similar issues to 7mm backcountry, but I would like to try it in my rifle for myself without buying another gun. I think it will have more use in the hunting space right away, but who knows 20 years from now what we'll be using.

I think I'm more excited to watch more exposure and testing of what reloaders will do with the technology. I know there are threads of people playing with the 7bc cases, but hopefully this will have more people providing real, valuable data due to less barrier to entry. Velocity consistencies, neck tension, quantity of reloads per case, accuracy, load data, etc. Personally, I'm very interested in how necking it up and down will go for people. Eric Cortina has a couple of short videos messing around with it and so far it looks simple enough.

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u/Fiercekiller 1d ago

We want +Peak 308 next

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago

Agreed! I also think the arc cases would be awesome. 6arc especially. 6.5 grendel could also be a beast. 7mm-08 also. Immediately I'm excited for the creedmoor family cartridges right away since those will be easy to make ammo for with the existing 6.5 cases. I don't even know what I would need the velocities for but a 22 creedmoor +peak and a 65gr lrx bullet would be stupid flat lol

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u/CMFETCU 1d ago

6ARC peak would break AR bolts. So many people struggle to understand bolt thrust limitations and see commercial ammo as safe in their chamber, platform regardless.

If they put 6 ARC PEAK on the shelves, many an AR would be broken as a result of people not knowing some things have higher bolt thrust than the AR bolt can take.

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago

You are absolutely right. Maybe they will release component cases in cartridges that this will be a problem in. It will be interesting to see how the industry handles this overlap period of high pressure ammo and rifles that are not currently rated for the ammo. I feel like if they release component cases it shifts more liability onto a more responsible end user rather than releasing factory ammo

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u/CMFETCU 1d ago

Potential harm to brand occurs even if the problem is end users. Social media allows someone to post “my rifle exploded using Hornady ammo” and that starts to tell a story right or wrong with brand association.

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago

I think that this is going to be seen as an issue for another couple years, but at some point there will be a company that moves past the limitations of existing rifles and leaves them behind with their warning stickers. Whether it’s Hornady or federal that takes that first leap it will happen regardless. It happens with all technology at some point. Might be 6arc or another cartridge, but at some point it will happen

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u/CMFETCU 1d ago

Moves past them?

You don't get to violate physics.

An AR-15 bolt CANNOT physically handle the normal max loads of a 6ARC. Let alone a PEAK load. It cannot do it. There is no material science that makes it happen. The most popular rifle in the country of 300 million guns is not going to just disappear because an ammo company wants to sell some new (and frankly useless) marketing.

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago edited 1d ago

How about they are their own company and they can decide their own risk tolerances? They just released ammo that some rifle manufactures are already saying is too high pressure for their bolts. How do you know what they are going to do and not do lol you don’t work there. They are also just component cases at the end of the day that can offer separate load data. It’s not that big of a deal. I can accidentally put 223/300blk in the same AR and fire it and it’s not safe at all. Does that mean they shouldn’t sell 300 blackout? Such a dumb argument to say a company cant sell component cases even because someone ignorant might load them and put them in an AR despite a bunch of warning labels

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u/fourthhorseman68 19h ago

Putting the wrong caliber in a firearm and having it blow up is completely different than putting the correct round in a weapon and having it blow up. In today's age of lawsuit over common sense I can see where the argument is valid with the Peak ammo. With that there could be a high enough demand by bolt action owners that they consider it a reasonable risk. Demand will dictate that. I do know I have had 2 7.62x39 bolts fail on me in my AR's. There is just to much material removed to fit the x39 case. I can't imagine bumping up the pressures. With that I have a Howa mini I would love to shoot some 6.5 grendel and 6 arc Peak ammo out of.

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u/HERBERT_224 17h ago

Do I get to sue hornady when I ignore their load data and use the wrong powder in a case and it blows up? How would they be remotely responsible for that. There is already different load data published for different actions for existing cartridges. It's not a new or dangerous concept. Look in most reloading manuals and you'll see that. This would be no different

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u/CMFETCU 8h ago

You sized your brass shoulder in the wrong direction.

I am not sure you are to be listened to about what a reloading manual says.

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u/HERBERT_224 8h ago

You’re looking at a strangers profile online trying to win an argument. I’m not sure you are able to be listened to about anything. I would bet my dollar against yours I will be able to buy high pressure component cases in 223, 6arc, 6.5 Grendel and lots of others within ten years

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u/Troutrageously 1d ago

Or 6.5 PRC peak, HA!
Truth be told, I load 42.5g h4350 under 143 eldx to 2850 fps already… alpha brass fucks.

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u/Tight_muffin 1d ago

I know I want to size it too 7-08 immediately.

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u/North_Specific_3502 1d ago

I think they just came out with a .308 Super, it hasn't gotten a lot of hype like 6.5 plus peak but I'm curious to try that cartridge out as well.

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u/Fiercekiller 20h ago

Looks like a wildcat cartridge that uses 308 for extra long bullets, in a long action

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u/tomchuk I put holes in berms 14h ago

.308 NAS3 is basically what you’re asking for, no?

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u/LandonTactical 9h ago

What about the 308 Super vortex just posted about

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u/Real-Water3033 1d ago

I coudn't imagine them NOT getting this stuff out before the western hunting season kicks off, but here we are.

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago

It seems like a huge mistake to miss that wave of sales. My theory is there is so much military demand that they just have decided to fry bigger fish despite their initial release timeframe. That would explain their lack of marketing all of a sudden. Either that or they hit a snag in a QC issue or supply line they are trying to fix

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u/Guitarist762 14h ago

Well commercial sales are always iffy. You sell to a distributor, and sure you get that cash up front but if it sits on the shelves they aren’t buying more.

.Mil contracts are different in that regard in the fact they instantly secure a multi million dollar pay day, guaranteed X amount of rounds, and guarantied time frame. So ya the focus always goes there because that’s for sure money, regardless of the hype on the civilian market. Very plausible that’s what’s happening

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u/1776boogapew 1d ago

I preordered from midway, expecting delivery in Oct (127 lrx) but the loads that were supposed to be instock last week are overdue.

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago

I'm most excited for the component cases to become available at some point, but out of the factory loads they are going to offer, the lrx load does look sweet because it is the bullet that I think would stand to gain the most from the added velocity over the regular 127gr lrx load with copper bullets struggling more at lower velocities than cup and core bullets.

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u/1776boogapew 1d ago

Same, but I’m not afraid to hunt lrx and then reload my hammers onto the cases. But if I could skip to reloading I would.

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u/grayman1978 1d ago

They’re late

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u/HallackB 1d ago

I’m looking forward to getting my hands on it. It baffles me that they went out with the marketing so far in advance of launch. Strategically odd.

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u/snusmini 1d ago

Hopefully people will take a hard look at _all_ the components on their rifle to make sure it can handle this.

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u/Tight_muffin 1d ago

Shut up MOM

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u/Professional_Owl5656 1d ago

I'm gonna wait for 6.5 CM +Peak+.

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u/STURMTIGER1 1d ago

Is there any long term reports of what cramming all this pressure does for throat erosion and barrel burning? I feel like it cant be good.

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago

I have not seen any yet. I’m interested to see the data once people can actually get their hands on it. I don’t think most people are burning out barrels as much as they think they are in general. I’m not too concerned about that personally. I don’t think people realize how long it can take to shoot over 1k rounds if you’re not competing. If you are shooting that much then just use lower pressure ammo. PXT might even change that shortly also

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u/painbow__ 14h ago

I've been wildcatting sig Fury cases fora hot minute - pretty excited to play with these onceI can get some empty cases.

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u/No_Mountain_7301 12h ago

I wont buy it out of spite for the obnoxious youtube video i saw. Ill take my ammo slow and heavy outta the cheeto the way god intended

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u/No-Pickle9533 5h ago

I know its not gonna happen but imagine 6.5PRC +Peak. 100gr bullet going at 4000fps

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u/mulyhuntr33 1d ago

The juice is not worth the squeeze. 200fps does nothing for me other than stoke my ego a bit.

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u/NetwerkAirer 1d ago

200fps allows me to cut 2-3 inches from my build to accommodate a full suppressor vs a shorty. So...

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u/mulyhuntr33 1d ago

Just go prc then...

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u/NetwerkAirer 1d ago

Less recoil with the Creedmoor. My wife and kid don't have to shoot a short barrel magnum if the Creedmoor can do it in a short action. The point is to have a lightweight, shoulder-fire-capable, packable firearm, and the ballistics of the 6.5 bullet are the sweet spot for what and where we're trying to hunt. The +Peak ammunition fits that's profile. 308 and a PRC push a little to either side of that spectrum, so it makes the most sense to hit in the middle with the CM +Peak.

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago

This guy probably doesn't know that gun powder is also mass that is being burned and spit out of the barrel. My 6.5prc load has 15 grains more powder than my creedmoor load, and my creedmoor load is relatively much hotter than the more "mild" PRC load. The new +peak loads will have comparable powder loads to the original cases, with a faster burning powder. Hence less recoil

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u/mulyhuntr33 1d ago

Your wife and kids can kill anything a 6.5 can with a 223 and not have to fuss with fancy ammo. If recoil is an issue going to a higher pressure round isn't the solution.

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u/NetwerkAirer 1d ago

Can kill anything with anything, what's the point of this cartridge then? This is a technology advancement in modern ammunition. I'm going to use it.

And what? I really don't care about the killing potential of a 223, when I have a 6.5 CM firearm already built...?

If I can reach magnum-level velocities out of it, without having to burn magnum-level gunpowder amounts, why the hell wouldn't I do this? Why would I go buy another gun, to shoot smaller rounds, with less energy? Recoil IS an issue, so a higher pressure and LOWER WEIGHT POWDER CHARGE round is the solution. Are you serious?

What point are you trying to make?

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u/Coodevale 1d ago

We're on the upswing of the magnum wave again. It used to be coke can cases with a phonograph needle on top but now it's "proof load everything". This comes and goes in cycles.

As does the interest in it. Bet.. you'll do it and mostly shelve the idea in favor of standard loads and less recoil, like every other time before.

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u/mulyhuntr33 1d ago

There is no point to it. That's my point.

So you're telling me that an increase in pressure and velocity won't create more recoil? Is Newton's Law now irrelevant with Plus Peak?

Enjoy the cartridge while it lasts. Sounds like you really need it and will put it to good use.

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u/NetwerkAirer 1d ago

Newton's Law absolutely applies. That's why it has less recoil...?

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u/mulyhuntr33 1d ago

A bullet at 3000 does not have less recoil than a same weight bullet at 2700

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u/NetwerkAirer 1d ago

We are comparing a 6.5CM +Peak with a 6.5 PRC, the velocities are very similar.

The recoil IMPULSE of identical weight bullets at "identical" velocities can be different, however. The +Peak cartridge uses less powder, generating less gas ejecta. This is also a pretty big part of that equation. Couple that with both a more efficient powder burn and the ability to use a larger suppressor - that recoil impulse is going to feel even less.

I think you are in the wrong subreddit.

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u/HERBERT_224 1d ago

Interesting take. Also it's closer to 300fps faster, so you would really hate it

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u/Climbforthesoul 1d ago

It’s more than 200 fps. This allows my effective range to be 800 yards on a deer with a 24 inch barrel, and 600ish for elk.

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u/mulyhuntr33 1d ago

My brass cased 6.5 creedmoor only gets me to 790 on either animal. Darn.

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u/Climbforthesoul 1d ago

Your tolerance for bullet choice is different than I. I don’t reload though. But even if I did, you ain’t touching the Peak Plus for velocity.

Also, if you’re trying to shoot an elk at 790 yards with a 6.5 creed I question your ethics.