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u/Cartmansfartcloud 2d ago
What happened?
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u/iCarloosTV Transalp 750 2d ago
the back wheel skidded, and dunno why
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u/TheFlyingBoxcar 2008 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Custom 2d ago
Back wheel skidded
Pants got shidded
Luckily you stayed off your lidded
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u/latortillablanca muh enjin has CHARACTER 1d ago
Thank god he’s well equidded
After he over commidded
An none of these other cucks appearin as nitwidded
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u/Naive-Direction1351 2d ago
Have this happen to me 2 mins into my ride. Took it as a sign to just go home
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u/sandybuttcheekss XSR700 1d ago
Cold tire maybe?
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u/Naive-Direction1351 1d ago
Probably and some new pavement but didnt have a good feeling after that happened and didnt tempt fate
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u/DadEngineerLegend 1d ago edited 1d ago
Maaate, this is a lesson. Fundamentally, what got you there was over confidence and complacency. Sneaks up on all of us.
Study this video closely, watch it repeatedly, and learn the lessons to be learnt.
You were trying for way too much lean angle and corner speed/force, and plus adding power on too much too soon asked for more friction than there was and your rear tyre let go - remember your friction circle. If you don't know what the friction circle is, it is it's time for you to do some research and learning. Lots of good YouTube videos on it.
And defensive riding means predicting potential hazards anf issues.
Look at all those leaves and crap dropped off the tree close by on your right side. They leach slippery crap all over the road, which hangs around even after the leaves are swept out of the way.
It was also closely followed by a painted crossing - which are always slippery AF.
Also, intersections are always hazardous because small pebbles and debris from car crashes tends to build up and make a nice bit of marbles, particularly between and outside the tyre tracks from all the 4 wheeled vehicles taking roughly the same line.line at low speed.
Even with hot race tyres you'd have trouble with that corner doing what you did - because friction is about 2 surfaces interacting.
If the road surface is shit, doesn't matter how fancy your rubber is, it will still have a poor coefficient of friction and if you don't take it easy you're likely to slide out.
Edit : when I say way too much lean angle, I mean too much on the road. On the road to stay safe you always need a crap tonne of reserve capability from your bike so you can do an emergency manouveur when needed.
On a clean race track you don't, so this would have been fine.
Edit 2: Also check your riding position. You want to have a good grip on the tank with your legs. Looks like you might be sitting back a bit.
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u/SoloSquirrel 1d ago
This. And what are those sneaker going to do if you did lose it completely and had the whole bike on an ankle?
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u/TheAngriestSheep 2d ago
What kinda tires? Was it cold?
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u/iCarloosTV Transalp 750 2d ago
Michelin Anakee Adventure, I don't think they were cold, I'd been riding for about 40 minutes
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u/MrSkrifle 1d ago
Can you upload the video on YouTube to get a better look? Reddit compression too much to sleuth it
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u/kneebeards 2d ago
Leaves
Looks like autumn. Everything is brown and yellow, unless its a trick of lighting.
That corner looks like its full of leaves.
Edit:
Also maybe throttle in the lean.
Hard to tell from the sound if rpm went up as the tire broke loose and starts to spin freely, or whisky'd it after the slip.
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u/iCarloosTV Transalp 750 2d ago
Summer in Spain, could be leaves, but I don’t think so. Probably was the thrortle + leaning
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u/Dazvsemir '96 CB400SF '24 CRF1100L 1d ago
I think the orange flicker on the left side of your screen is the TC light showing you the bike just kept your ass upright.
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u/Ready-Delay3918 2d ago
Yeah it looks like you were leaning the bike and not your body. Lean your body more don't be afraid of it.
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u/Competitive_Stable66 1d ago
This plus the painted lines I think. Glad you made it out fine. Bike sounds mean tho I dig it.
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u/TequilaTits420 1d ago
The little self-talk-in-the-mirror moment. I see you.
Mirror you: "You good"
You: "Jesus fucking christ"
Mirror you: "You're good."
We've all been there.
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u/jdr767 2017 Suzuki Boulevard M109R/B.O.S.S. 2d ago
What a shock when that happens! Had a tank slapper randomly on HW 30 in Dallas doing 70, had to hose my pants and bike off when I got home. I don't remember seeing or hitting anything obvious but a slap on each side of the tank and prayed to all the gods thankful that was I stayed upright.
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u/hardly_working123 2d ago
Accelerating while adding lean... been there done that haha
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u/MrSkrifle 1d ago
Does not sound like he increased throttle at all, besides when the tire was spinning
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u/VegetableShops 1d ago
New rider here, were they accelerating? Looks like they were just maintaining the throttle
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u/Medium-Presence-8008 1d ago
Many year rider. Sounds like the rear just broke loose, but I didn't hear any increased engine loading immediately prior to loss of traction.
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u/hardly_working123 1d ago
Yes they were. Slight addition is hard to detect on video but definitely apparent while riding
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u/MrSkrifle 1d ago
Nahh, I can't hear any acceleration outside of when the tire lost traction. I'm guessing it was caused by road debris/oil/leaves/etc
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u/hardly_working123 1d ago
If it was road/oil whatever the front tyre would slip before the rear slipped
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u/Medium-Presence-8008 1d ago
Not necessarily. apex-onward is always going to be rear-loaded.
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u/Outside-Drag-3031 1d ago
I feel like the way that situation would make sense is exactly what we see in the video: lean being added after the front passes the low traction zone and while the rear is in it. Right?
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u/PretzelsThirst Guzzi V7 Stone 1d ago
This is how I broke my ankle in march, stupid mistake but wont make that one again.
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u/Lckyby51789 1d ago
Keeping on after that is crazzzzy, i'd absolutely have had to pull over to get my shit together real quick. Nice reaction and save OP!
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u/leezardmik 1d ago edited 1d ago
I went for a ride yesterday and had to make a u-turn on a narrow 2 lane country road with no shoulder on either side. I misjudged how much room I had and ended up offroading my 2012 fat boy lo into the ditch and back out onto the road. By the time I got back onto the road someone had shit my pants.
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u/Any_Aardvark_3270 2d ago
tenere?
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u/E-Step MT-09 2d ago
Transalp
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u/KFPindustries 2d ago
How do you like your transalp . I just got an NX500
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u/ItzMichaelHD Hornet 600f 2d ago
Nx500 is incredible. I have never sat on a more ergonomically perfect motorbike. It’s absolutely perfect. The engine is also robust as hell and it has unbelievably good fuel usage and range. You made a great purchase and you’ll get heaps of use out of that workhorse. It’s also very peppy compared to the likes of the nc750x and can be flicked around more. It’s like the perfect in between of the transalp and the nc750x.
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u/require_borgor 2d ago
Yeah, not perfect if you're 6'2". Love mine but it's cramped after an hour
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u/ItzMichaelHD Hornet 600f 2d ago
Strange, I’m 6ft 3 haha. I found it perfect. I do have quite a long back though and reasonably long legs. I found it considerably more comfy than the nc750x over an hour or two.
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u/Dazvsemir '96 CB400SF '24 CRF1100L 1d ago
I'm the same height as you, I had an NC700S and found it pretty comfy. I always thought the NX was a smaller sized bike but I guess not?
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u/ItzMichaelHD Hornet 600f 1d ago
I genuinely have no idea. I’m getting a bunch of people shorter than me telling me it’s cramped for them, it must just be a case by case basis. I have sat on an nc700s and found it nice to be fair. The back position wasn’t quite as good though in my experience
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u/SlowSundae 1d ago
I’m 5’11” and even mine feels cramped
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u/ItzMichaelHD Hornet 600f 1d ago
Now I’m super confused because I found the nx fantastic. Maybe it just fits my body shape idk.
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u/KFPindustries 2d ago
I’m 5’9” and 160lbs so most bikes kinda are sprung and made for someone my size
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u/ItzMichaelHD Hornet 600f 2d ago
Yea that’s fair enough, i find a lot of bikes are simply too small for me. I will happily get on anything though just for fun.
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u/kys90000 2d ago
I really hate how it looks compared to the outgoing 500x honestly. Really needs a front beak.
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u/markommarko 1d ago
I think I'm the only one that likes the new look better. I have NX500 2024 and it's magnificent
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u/Dazvsemir '96 CB400SF '24 CRF1100L 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've seen it in red and in black and it looks so good. I usually think its a transalp if I see one from the side. The front definitely looks nicer than the transalp. In the new model year they released it in pearl white with teal and pink stripes, I hope I get to see one up close one of these days. Plus it comes with e-clutch now.
Ugh. I want all of them. I want all the Hondas. Especially if they come in pearl white.
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u/ItzMichaelHD Hornet 600f 2d ago
Yeah I am not so sure. I don’t mind either but I think I did prefer the more aggressive look of the older gen cb500x. The nx500 is more comfortable for me than the cb500x though. I have ridden a cb500x quite a lot in the past and it was a blast.
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u/Secure_Secretary_882 94 CB1000/99 DR200SE/98 CB750/GROM 1d ago
GOT DEAM CLIBBINS!!!?! RIED SAFE HOSSE BORTHER!!!!!?!
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u/Exact-Job7603 1d ago
I've experienced that, not quite as bad, on hot days when the tar snakes soften up and get greasy.
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u/Shepherd_6061 Honda CB600F PC34 1d ago
What exact tires you have on?
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u/iCarloosTV Transalp 750 1d ago
Michelin Anakee Adventure
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u/DavidFS23 1d ago
Vi tu video en IG. También tengo una Transalp, y también me ha pasado eso con esos mismos neumáticos.
No se pero los Anakee Adventure, el delantero, no me inspira confianza... el trasero no me ha dado ningún problema, pero el delantero ya ha dado un par de sustos.
He pasado al Anakee Road, porque practicamente no salgo del asfalto... pero veremos. De momento MUY contento.
--I saw your video on IG. I also have a Transalp, and I’ve had the same thing happen with those exact same tires.
I don’t know, but the Anakee Adventure front tire just doesn’t inspire confidence in me... The rear hasn’t given me any problems, but the front has already given me a couple of scares.
I switched to the Anakee Road because I practically never leave the pavement... but we’ll see. So far, I’m VERY happy with them.
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u/Wonderful_Sample_590 2d ago
Loos like you leaned over too far, which is why your tire started to skid.
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u/iCarloosTV Transalp 750 2d ago
Could be, but it doesn’t look like a “hard lean”
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u/ImaSneeeek 2d ago
Looking at it, looks like you never fully weighted the tires into the corner as you were only just tipping into it from a turn in the other direction.
Likely your suspension wasn't fully compressed with less weight on the back tire letting it slip easier.
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u/BONESFULLOFGREENDUST 1d ago
Can you dumb down this comment for a noob?
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u/RikiWardOG 1d ago
Either come off gas or hit the brakes to move weight forward onto the front tire. Changes rake angle and give better contact etc. Basically physics reasons whenever you're going into a turn you want to load your front suspension
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u/2garinz 1d ago
Just means from the POV of the tires the bike was lighter then required because part of the bike's weight was still going into compressing the springs in the suspension instead of pressing the tires intro the road.
So roughly speaking, less weight on the tire = less grip available.
The video compression is horrendous, but if the road surface was clean-ish, a more gentle lean most likely would've prevented the slide.
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u/ImaSneeeek 1d ago
Yup so tldr you know when you go over a small bridge and feel your weight come off the bike? That weight that is lifted removes pressure holding the tires firmly to the ground.
If tires have less weight pushing them down, they have less grip. When you transition from leaning left to leaning right your weight goes over the center of the bike.
This transition has the same (but lesser) effect as going over that bridge and removes pressure from the tires until you are fully back into the lean.
If you accelerate before your weight is fully on the rear wheel it can easily slip.
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u/RamesesThe2nd Scrambler 1d ago
Can confirm. Shitting yourself often ends up stabilizing those dangerous situations.
If your tires are really old, the rubber may have hardened to the point where it can’t provide real grip, even if it still looks fine at a glance.
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u/Der-Lex 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/1qk249clVZfg2HOgci
FALLEN LEAVES! FALLEN LEAVES! FALLEN LEAVES ON THE GROUND!
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u/Dry-Site-8764 1d ago
It happens bro and actually the way you reacted was perfect by not reacting at all just staying on the throttle and that ride itself out whether you knew about it or not
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u/latortillablanca muh enjin has CHARACTER 1d ago
The quick check down to see if it was a liquid shit or a turd
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u/Retrogroucho 1d ago
Did both your feet leave the pegs?? Bad form. Good luck that might not be your last pucker!
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u/Fruginni 1d ago
Holy shit what a save man. Especially the smooth inputs during and after.
Id be glad i was wearing brown pants too
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u/Beginning_Corner930 1d ago
Did this on my bike except it was from me gassing it after coming off a muddy dirt road trying to show off for my cousin. Thankfully I had traction control or I would have went down for sure. Can confirm its not fun.
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u/1crazypj 1d ago
That's the kind of thing that happens when you have 'lines of shadow' across the road hiding something.
I think it's probably happened to everyone who rides to work and back at some time?
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u/Med_stromtrooper 2015 V-Strom 650 XT 22h ago edited 21h ago
Had this happen on two different bikes at two different right-hand turns, one from a stop at an intersection and the other an on-ramp. The cruiser did a flat-tracker slide at a stopped right at the intersection. By some smiling gods I saved it, then stopped on a side street and spent a few mins shaking. I'd been riding a year by then. ADV bike stepped out at an on-ramp, so I pulled in the clutch and chopped throttle, it straightened right up. Clutch out, add power, merge normal, nonplussed all the way.
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u/Roverjosh 21h ago
First time I rode my bike in Italy was in Monte di Procida near Naples. They use a lot of marble remnants in their asphalt, so when it’s dusty or wet (or god forbid both) it’s like riding on ice.
I was not prepared for that… thank goodness my R1100S had ABS. Needless to say, I needed to check my pants after my first round-a-bout….
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u/Sea_Split8730 1d ago edited 1d ago
You can add lean, you can add throttle, but never both. You put force on the tire in 2 different directions at the same time, and thats the result
The idea is traction budget.
A tire can only generate so much total force before it starts to slide. If you're already asking the tire for a lot of cornering force, there is less traction available for acceleration. So if you're leaned over heavily and suddenly give a lot of throttle, you're asking the rear tire to do both jobs simultaneously. It can exceed its available grip and spin. What is dangerous is demanding more acceleration than the remaining traction budget permits.
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u/hobbicon 🅰️prilia Tuareg 660 | Yamaha XMAX 300 1d ago
How do you drive through a round about then
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u/Sea_Split8730 1d ago
You can just let off the throttle and coast through it while leaning over as much as you want, or you can lean over, hold the lean angle to make sure you dont increase it, and only then accelerate as you wish... the answer to your question is 'Slowly and carefully', people who highside like that always do it on 100+hp bikes in low gear, add a little dust or sand and its a done deal
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u/bearishparrot CRF300L 1d ago
When you're leaning into a turn the idea is that you already have your throttle in a position you're going to hold throughout the turn, or you could be slightly decelerating through trail braking. Once you reach the apex and want to remove lean angle, you can accelerate which stands the bike up, essentially shifting your traction budget from lean -> acceleration. I'm no pro but this is how I understand it.
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u/SpaceMonkeyEngineer 1d ago edited 1d ago
It looked like you were both adding throttle while increasing turn pressure with a somewhat torquey engine. Just enough to break the rear end loose. I've had more than one of these myself.
At my old job there was a turn in the road on the property between the main roadway and the parking lot that had slightly lower friction than the roadway. More than one car understeered off the road on this turn. More than once I had a slight skid on it as well. Sometimes the front wheel only, sometimes, both, sometimes just the rear.
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u/kys90000 2d ago
Uhhh gravel? Oil slick? Sand?