r/motorcycles • u/Careless-Comedian176 • 6h ago
Is falling/crashing really this common?
I see so many threads about their first fall/crash and i'm really starting to wonder if I get a skewed perspective on how common this is? The attitude in these threads is also like they treat as you will crash serveral times before you get the hang of it. This feels weird to me and of course there's always a risk of an accident but I don't know anyone that has crashed, including my parents and their friends who have been riding for 35 years +.
I want to add that I live in Sweden and they have pretty advanced requirements before you get a license. I don't know if it's more uncommon than I think or if it's because other countries have lighter regulations and thus doesn't give you proper instructions on how to handle your bike in certain situations?
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u/Nervouspotatoes 6h ago
1.2 million riders in this sub, 24k active rn. This is the place people come to talk about their crashes etc, there’s a tremendous statistical bias. It’s not as common as it seems here, if you’re safe about it.
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u/LippySteve 6h ago
This is what I pointed out to my wife. I live in a very popular motorcycle area with no helmets required. Everywhere we drive as a family we see dozens of riders every single day most wearing no gear with a helmet or just no gear at all. We have about 15 fatal motorcycle accidents per year here with over 30,000 registered motorcycles in the county. Of those 15 about 13 of them usually were drinking, wearing no helmet, excessively speeding, had no endorsement etc.
Is motorcycling dangerous, absolutely. Is it the death threat most perceive it to be for a guy like me on a big sports tourer wearing full gear and going 10mph over the speed limit riding rural roads avoiding inner city intersections, not really. It's probably comparably dangerous to mountain biking in my case and I'm okay with the risk. Took a giant life insurance policy in case the worst happens.
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 6h ago
> Is falling/crashing really this common?
No
The two issues are, when people fall
- It’s generally much worse than getting in a car accident, and
- For some reason people love to talk about their “inevitable” fall, like every rider is somehow destined to fall. I think it makes them feel better about having crashed, like somehow it’s less their fault.
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u/utzutzutzpro 4h ago
I would argue that dropping a bike is something you should expect at least once. And it shouldn't feel bad when it happens. Slidepads help.
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3h ago
It’s not uncommon to drop a bike
My comment said that it is not correct to say that every single rider will
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u/AdWonderful5920 6h ago
Why don't more people make this post, "I rode my 28 mile round trip commute and nothing happened. It was nice, here's the 28 minute video of nothing happening."
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u/crossplanetriple 2019 Yamaha MT-09 6h ago
I think the issue is a lot of the crashing posts are more so common sense problems posted here like it's new information.
Example: 'I tried to lean 50 degrees on cold tires and crashed, don't do what I did' or 'I rode in the blind spot of a truck and I can't believe they didn't see me so I was sideswiped' or 'I rode too fast into a corner as a new rider and wiped out'.
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u/GroundProximity 6h ago
No, its not as common as reddit makes it out to be, ive been riding for ~15 years now with a ~4 year intermission and "crashed" (wasnt really a crash, front slipped away i managed to right up the bike but the corner wasnt finished yet and i rode into the grass and a drainage ditch) only once, and that was only because i was asking for it and 99% my fault.
Also really not a fan of this whole "haha everyone crashes!" type crap, no, not everyone crashes, and its stupid to say that.
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u/Conundrum1911 2014 CBR650FA 6h ago
Riding almost 15 years now. Only two times I've went down was once when learning during the MSF course on day 1, and once again about 3 years later sadly on my new bike.
Both were essentially standstill drops/tip overs, where I had the bars turned somewhat and grabbed too much front brake when trying to stop. During the course it was lack of knowledge, on my own bike i got cut off in a gas station and was too focused on the car that might hit me to think about what I was doing with the bars and brake.
Most of the actual crashes I have seen on group rides over the years mainly come down to one of two things: Either someone riding well beyond their skill, sightlines, and road conditions....or someone who either breaks the rules of the road, speeds aggresively, or slams into a car because "they had the right of way".
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u/vinceherman 5h ago
I have been riding since I was 5 - 56 years now.
Minibikes and dirt bikes got crashed regularly.
Got my first street bike when I was 16.
I have had 4 street bikes over the years.
1 accident.
3 or so bike drops at super slow speed.
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u/Fancy_Strawberry7137 6h ago
Been riding for 15 years, never had a crash or even a tip over on the road. I think learning to ride on dirtbikes helped.
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u/actualsize123 1983 r100, 2024 Transalp 6h ago
Did you ever drop any of the dirtbikes when you were learning?
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u/Fancy_Strawberry7137 6h ago
I slid and fell on dirt one time that I can recall when I was learning at 12 or so. I also fell a couple times learning how to jump. I actually go down off-road way more now than I did when I was learning because I try to ride more challenging terrain on bigger bikes.
Maybe it helps to crash off-road because then you know what it feels like to lose control?
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u/Initial-Reading-2775 4h ago
Off-road experience helps on road a lot. Also, falling in offroad is not even considered as a crash, just part of the game.
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u/This-Permission-2618 6h ago
I think there are a lot of attention seeking thrill seekers posting.
im new, but I've only dropped my bike in the wild once. got the kickstand down, got off of it the kickstand just sunk into the deep deep sand and it went over. i picked it up. didn't see any reason to post that lol.
I'm a very conservative, cautious rider. I don't really take any chances as far as what's in my control. had lots of high dopamine endorphin days, don't see any point in posting about those all the time. i suspect there are a lot of other riders like me.
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u/TheWeakLink 6h ago
No, it’s not overly common. It’s just something talked a lot about here.
That being said, I had a KLR650 and when off-road I fell over a lot, but I also was pushing what that bike could do.
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u/nobodyknoes 5h ago
Fwiw I've laid my bike down twice since getting it. Both times I was trying to do a Uturn on gravel. One of those times I was trying to do it like I saw in a video. I have had literally zero problems with my bike falling for about 8k miles now. It's only going to be a common thing if you do things in a way where your bike is likely to fall.
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u/oneWeek2024 5h ago
while it's never "bad" to have a misc fall or drop of a bike. it's not at all a given.
almost every fall or drop of a bike is a lapse in judgement or focus. and plenty of people don't have those sort of failings.
doesn't necessarily mean anything. you're not "better" than someone else because you've never fucked up, you've just never fucked up.
but yeah. idiots and go pro diva dipshits love posting their failures for pick me attention whoring. and some people are legitimately looking to learn from mistakes. OR are ignorant (which is wild... but some people genuinely have no clue why they fucked up) and are looking to understand what went wrong.
in my experience the thing that tends to differentiate people between people who have issues and those who don't are between people who seek information/education on good riding practices and then...people without the ego/bullshit machismo fuckery. and actually incorporate best practices into their riding.... including continual training and practice.
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u/Fadedcamo MSF Instructor 5h ago
You're probably going to drop your bike a few times. That's pretty normal at first. But crashing? I been riding 20 years and have had exactly one very slow crash. Right turn on a cold tire, leaned over too much and the bike slid out. No injuries beyond my pride.
Really it's how you handle risk and if you're riding within your vision and making correct moment to moment decisions that play into crashing. Whenever I tell people I am a good rider and they respond 'its not you I worry about. Its all the other drivers out there.' Well...yea, part of being a good rider to me is constantly dealing with those other riders and riding defensively. Don't stay in people's blind spots, always let off the throttle and hover the brake as you're seeing potential cars pull out in front of you, etc. All these skills are critical to riding safely and reducing your chances of a crash.
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u/Much_Air_356 5h ago
Now 80 started riding at 16. almost taken out by car changing lanes while lane splitting, dropped bike approaching roundabout - found road was deep in loose road surface material. Thats it so far!
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u/TouristTricky 5h ago
I've been riding over 50 years, hard/fast, in Texas. I've only ever laid the bike down twice, both times to avoid a disastrous collision with a pick up truck.
Maybe dropped it twice, just clumsy
But the testing in the US for licensing is not rigorous, few people get trained, American drivers are terrible, riders just slightly better.
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u/Soggy-Bullfrog-9990 5h ago
In the US, requirements are pretty low and that’s assuming the rider even bothered to get a license. Couple that with the stupids on bikes and in cars; yeah I see a lot of accidents involving bikes (they’re usually pretty ugly) in my area.
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u/achillies665 5h ago
Only crash I had wasn't due to my riding. I got rear ended by a car and the driver admitted he wasn't paying attention to me but looking ahead to his exit on the roundabout.
I posted about it because I was a bit wary and wanted to get advice, my test was the next day and I couldn't afford for my nerves to be at me. Didn't matter because the bike got rejected, the rear brake light had an intermittent fault so it wasn't fit for riding.
Passed the test with no faults 6 weeks later.
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u/Release_the_KRAKEN DR | VStrom800DE 5h ago
I've been riding for 3 years now and I haven't crashed yet. But I have dropped my bikes a few times. Barely tested my gear.
I've been upgrading and acquiring more gear. Just waiting for my crash I suppose.
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u/ItsMe_AllanP 5h ago
I've "crashed" a bike going 1mph, when I squeezed the front brake, but didn't notice a little bit of sand at a stoplight. I dropped my 1500cc cruiser, parking on a very slight incline and it rolled back causing the kickstand to fold up.
While in two wheels, I keep the mindset that everybody on the road could possibly kill me, so I'm not overly surprised when people come close to succeeding. I have avoided dozens of accidents with cars because bad drivers not paying attentive. Also, I have had several instances where drivers that don't like motorcycles tried to hit me on purpose, and I don't ride crazy for the most part.
Accidents can happen. If you ride with common sense, you'll be able to avoid most accidents.
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u/spirilis 5h ago
I rode for 10 years without ever crashing and had maybe 3 close calls in that time period.
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u/TrollCannon377 2002 Shadow Spirit 750 5h ago
Having at least one parking lot tumble is pretty common especially when learning but a crash is by no means innevitable
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u/jcforbes '05 GSX-F600, '06 DRZ400SM, '11 R1200GS, '17 RnineT, '25 Varg EX 5h ago
I have been riding since I was a child and finally got rear ended at a stop sign at just a few kph. If you have your wits about you and mitigate risk you can stay safe; even my "crash" was minor due to mitigation of risk - I stopped where I did because I knew there was a stopped car behind me and that worst case scenario was going to be minor. If there was no car behind me or even worse if there was a car approaching from behind I would have changed what I did (in my case I would have take the riskier move to try to beat the traffic approaching on the road I was turning on to).
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u/Ok_Draw9037 4h ago
Falling extremely often, for crashing more common than cars but you shouldn't expect to have a crash in a sense
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u/wolfox360 4h ago
normally you start that phase on a bicycle, but if you never had fun on a bicycle, get ready on your motorcycle
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u/skcuf2 4h ago
I've been riding for 18 years and have had one accident (on the road) and dropped two bikes. First dropped bike was my second time riding and I grabbed too much front brake and offset my weight. Second time was last year when I stepped on a leaf in my garage while backing out and had no traction. Shit happens lol.
My accident was because I got distracted and someone pulled out in front of me. Panic brake and went down. Wasn't terrible, but it wasn't 0 speed either.
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u/DannoXYZ 4h ago edited 4h ago
Depends upon group you're in. Look up national big-data stats.
I've crashed once in my 45-yrs riding, in younger punk squid days. Learned my lesson.
Got close to 1-million miles under my belt now.
About 1/2 of in crazy S.F. Bay Area commuting with splitting.
Never a problem. Learned lots on splitting by following ChP through traffic.
Seen plenty of crashes like this during my commutes though. All based on what kind of rider you are.
https://youtu.be/u6XSPSLUWVY?t=397
Also 2024 NHTSA fatalities data.
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u/BlastFromBehind 4h ago
Been riding quite a lot for a little over two years now. Not fallen so far at least!
Övade ju som en galning innan uppkörningen så man känner sig ganska säker ändå!
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u/new_x_who_dis Triumph Thunderbird 1600 - Tenere 660 - Ninja 300 4h ago
Short version because I'm tired of answering this question, that gets asked multiple times a week: 30+ years, 2 countries, many miles, many bikes, zero crashes
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u/Ok_Shopping_2367 3h ago
consider how many people get into at least one car accident over the course of their lifetimes and then consider that motorcycles are more difficult.
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u/Sharp_Bus6682 3h ago
I think sometimes "crashing" and "dropping" get conflated. I feel like most riders do drop their bikes at some point- forget to put the stand down, slip on gravel, lost focus while learning to control a new bike, etc. But also, in the US, statistically, over 75% of drivers will be involved in a car accident in their lifetime, so if that same number translates to riding, then yes, most riders will likely be involved in at least 1 accident!
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u/keyma5ter 2000 Yamaha 650 V-Star 3h ago
Over 20 year riding. I have dropped the bike twice at walking speed and never crashed. I used to put a sticker on my helmet for "close calls" like a fighter pilot putting confirmed kills on his plane. I stopped because it was too many and I forgot what some of them were for. About a half dozen however are seared into my brain and I will never forget them. My MSF course certainly helped and may have saved my life.
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u/NiteShdw 2019 Aprilia RSV4 Factory, 2020 Aprilia RS660 3h ago
Do you know anyone that has ridden a bicycle that hasn’t fallen down at some point?
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u/oracle427 3h ago
I actually don’t know. What is ‘common’? I had one crash thankfully nothing serious in 13 years.
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u/rex8499 2016 BMW S1000XR 3h ago
The kind of bike matters a lot. If you can get both get flat on the ground easily, and it's a light weight and low center of gravity, maybe you'll never tip over.
If it's a tall adventure bike, high COG, loaded with 100 pounds of camping gear+food+water+tools, and you have short legs and can only touch with your tip toes, maybe not even on both sides at the same time. You can see how different this would be for tip overs in a parking lot. There's zero tolerance for error, and if you get a foot planted wrong, and the bike starts to tip at a stop, there's no coming back from it. Even if I manage to get my foot set and catch it mid-fall, I lack the strength to save it. My only hope is to soften the tip. This has happened many times to me, usually when my tip toe slides on a piece of gravel or bit of sand on the ground.
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u/Cadfael-kr 3h ago
People post bad things sooner because when nothing happens it’s not newsworthy.
So don’t go by what you see on reddit. And also there are a lot of americans here that have a completely different level of education than in the EU so that also doesn’t give a realistic image.
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u/No_Collection7360 3h ago
I scroll past every post about crashing, does my bike sound OK, are my tires good, which bike should I buy. So much fluff on this sub.
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u/Confirmation_Email 2h ago
Glad Sweden has strong motorcycle education requirements, looks like they have about the same statistics and media literacy education as everywhere else.
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u/JasonVoorheesthe13th 2004 Honda VTX1300 2h ago
I have been on 2 engine driven wheels since I was 9 years old. Every time any of my bikes have touched the ground it’s been because I was being an idiot.
Most wrecks come down to two reasons; the rider was being an idiot or the rider was scared.
Too hot into a turn and pulls the clutch in out of panic? You could end up in the ditch. Too hot into the turn because you’re riding faster than the road or your tires can handle (ie being an idiot)? You could end up in the ditch. Took the turn at a moderate speed (5-10 mph over posted limit)? You’ll probably be okay as long as there isn’t gravel or wet leaves piled up.
Something like 85% of motorcycle wrecks happen in a turn with no other vehicles involved due to excessive speed or inexperience. Meaning 85% of motorcycle wrecks happen being someone was doing something they shouldn’t have been doing in the first place.
Edit: according to my quick google search it’s more like 50% of motorcycle wrecks only involve the motorcycle and no other vehicles
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u/bigsad-bear 2h ago
I train the BRC 2-3x a week. I had no drops this morning and one yesterday.
But 1-2 drops per class is pretty standard. I've only had one crash this year where a student whiskey throttled and crashed through a fence, but I find that very rare for my classes. I have plenty of students who would lowside if they didn't correct their form, but we catch that shit quick.
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u/sanjuro_kurosawa 1h ago
Crash frequency is really a perspective on riding safety and gear, not how likely it will be. This is a perspective I developed from discussing helmet wear including on bicycles and ebikes. A biking fall is not as likely as playing football or snowboarding, although if a rider does crash, it's almost certain the head will hit something and suffer a very serious injury.
Motorcycle injuries are measured in micromorts, micropossibilities. I make this analogy: if you said you rode safely 99% of the time, that means 1 out of every 100 rides you crashed. It's more like 1 out of 10,000 rides, and some riders never do that many rides.
But more importantly, it's important for all riders to expect to crash so they train, ride safely, and wear protective gear.
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u/sokratesz Tiger 800 / 890 SMT / XSR 900 6h ago
It's common among shitty riders. When you take a proper rider course it's exceedingly rare.
In Sweden, I wouldn't worry.
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u/Woodit 2008 Raider S 5h ago
Depends how and you ride and if choose a first bike that’s appropriate or not imo. Lots of people ignore good advice and go buy a 600 sport machine with more power than they know how to manage and the naïveté that comes with a lack of experience and they hurt themselves as a result.
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u/Careless-Comedian176 5h ago
Literally the practice bikes in Sweden is minimum 650 cc, because most aim to get an unrestricted license and most I know go for minimum 800 cc as their first bike, so I don't understand this argument.
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u/Woodit 2008 Raider S 5h ago
650 with what sort of engine? My first bike was a 650 but it was a single cylinder. The ninja 650r is a fine first bike because it’s a twin. I’m talking 600 super sport with inline 4 engines
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u/Careless-Comedian176 5h ago
Yamaha MT-07 is what most schools use, so twin-cylinder. After getting license most I know gets MT-09 or z900
My parents had GSX-R1000 when I grew up
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u/Durnt 3h ago
Falling while slow moving or stopped is more of a when it happens situation vs an if it happens. Think of it this way. Most people can walk perfectly fine. Does that mean you will never slip on something or misjudge a distance and fall? No. It just is very unlikely but pretty much inevitable.
Now crashing on the other hand is less likely but also somewhat inevitable given enough time because you don't control all the variables. No matter how safe you drive, at some point someone will inevitably do something that causes an accident. Your goal as a biker is to make sure you don't cause a crash and do your best to anticipate others who are likely to cause a crash. If you do well enough and are lucky enough someone doesn't exceed your ability to avoid them,you might go your whole life without accident.
It seems common because people who post about accidents are common on reddit and forums. No one posts "hey I had a perfect ride today without accident"
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u/Relevant-Rooster-298 1h ago
I've been daily riding since 2004 and ive only fallen once. I think it's a squid thing.
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u/tronsymphony 1h ago
people who post they are going to eventually fall arent necessaily trying to ride safe if they think theyre going to crash eventually
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u/Rich_Performer_5697 1h ago
Ridden daily for 10 years. Fell once. Slid after hitting oil spill on the road.
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u/Why_Sazs 1h ago
I've been riding over 20 years, my dad and both my brothers ride as well. My dad low sided when he was young and broke his collar bone. My oldest brother got merged into when lane splitting and lost the top part of his thumb. My other brother crashed twice, once head on with a car on a windy road and walked away with only a scratch on his leg. Then was following a car too closely and hit the back of it when the car stopped abruptly. I have never crashed or gone down. But I rode dirt bikes for years as a kid and teenager, and went down a few times on dirt bikes. But that's a whole different ball game.
I will say this, my brother that crashed twice, I was there when both happened, and saw both of them coming, but obviously couldn't do anything in the moment. The "head on" one, I was in front while we were group riding on a somewhat unfamiliar road (we had ridden it before on dirt bikes, but many years before) There is a right hand turn that has a second apex that tightens up pretty substantially. I was riding along the right edge of the road, so when the apex tightened abruptly, my line forced me to the left side of the lane, but I stayed in my lane. I immediately realized if my brothers weren't riding the right edge of the road, they would end up in the oncoming lane. I stopped and waited for traffic to open so I could flip around and warn them. But by the time I got back to the corner, one of the cars that passed the other direction had already wrecked with my brother.
His second wreck, we were riding together on a 2 lane residential road and he was in front. He was coming up on a car going slow. I could tell immediately the car was going slow because he was unfamiliar with the place he was going and looking for it, and as soon as he saw it, he was going to stop abruptly to turn into it. So as my brother was approaching him and getting ready to move left to pass, the guy hits his brakes.
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u/Indiesol CB500X, VFR800, T500 Titan, RD350, Hypermotard 796 1h ago
Sooooo many of the crashes posted in this and other moto-related subs could be easily avoided by simply not riding like an idiot.
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u/Sirlacker 1h ago
Dropping the bike is way more common than crashing because sometimes you get caught out by a random pot hole or slope when you stop, especially if you have to stop harshly and don't have time to look where is the exact best place to stop. Once that bike starts leaning past a certain angle, it's near impossible to stop it from tipping, you can slow it down a minimize damage, but it'll likely go.
But with that being said, dropping a bike isn't exactly that common. It happens to people sometimes, and they'll tell you about it because nobody needs or wants to hear every time you didn't drop the bike.
The chances of it happening at least once is pretty high, but happening even semi-frequently, then that's a rider problem not a vehicle problem.
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u/squirrelly73 1987 Honda CN250 Helix 1h ago
I've crashed once in 30+ years of riding, and it wasn't that bad.
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u/kroopster 1h ago
There are countless bikes with over 100,000 km on the clock that have never even been tipped over.
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u/TrackTeddy 57m ago
Crashes and falls come in lots of different scales from dropping your bike when parking to a far more serious crash involving other vehicles. I learned off road so crashed plenty before my surroundings became more solid.
I crashed on ice once but dropped it more times than I’d care to admit as well as a few off-road excursions where my talent ran out.
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u/mystic-sloth gsxs 1000 klr 650 wxc 250 49m ago
For street bikes not particularly common to crash. Off road is a different story. Iv never crashed on a paved road and have done 70-80k miles. On dirt I bin it on a regular basis
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u/RecognitionFit4871 32m ago
First couple of years there’s a fairly good chance that you’ll have at least one minor spill.
Actual vehicle to vehicle accidents are far more serious and to be avoided generally
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u/GigaChav 7m ago
r/motorcycles is where the worst riders from all over the world go to talk about running into stationary objects, spending 25 years on a 250cc before graduating to a 500cc, "target fixation", and wearing all of your gear to take a shower.
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u/MarginallySeaworthy 6m ago
Been riding for 20 years and put a bike on the ground three times: twice in a parking lot at like 2 mph when I grabbed some front brake with the bars turned, and one really embarrassing “forgot to put the kickstand down” moment.
I think the feeling that crashes are inevitable comes from the fact that there are hazards to riding that we don’t have control over. That doesn’t mean that we can’t mitigate them at all though, and good decision making, and situational awareness can reduce a lot of that risk.
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u/RKWTHNVWLS 6m ago
How many times did you crash your bicycle growing up? It happens, we learn from it. The harder you push your limits the more it happens.
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u/actualsize123 1983 r100, 2024 Transalp 6h ago
It’s common for people to drop the bike by grabbing a handful of front brake or stopping on uneven ground when they’re new, not crashing at any speed basically always when stopped.
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u/sokratesz Tiger 800 / 890 SMT / XSR 900 6h ago
A proper course will teach you not to grab a handful of front brake and to pay attention to tmyout surroundings when stopping..
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u/Argonaut_Not 6h ago
Even having completed my MSF course, I still dropped my first bike in the parking lot twice on day 1 🤷♂️
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u/Think-Sand7161 6h ago
Always learn to ride in the dirt, first. Your machine control skills will become much superior. You will have fallen hard and hurt yourself plenty a dozen times by the time competence creeps up on you.
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u/edelbean TST 675R 6h ago
I've been riding for almost 20 years now. Dropped my bikes 3 times in a parking lot at standstill. Never crashed. I ride sport bikes and sport naked in the canyons. Done track days. Had close calls but never a crash.
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u/pwnageface 5h ago
Are you going out on leisurely rides and obeying traffic laws and keeping both wheels down? You are dramatically less likely to experience a crash that way. Observe the vast majority of the crash videos posted online are crotch rockets stunting or doing hoodrat shit in traffic. They put themselves at a much higher risk of having an oopsie. Ill also add in that in most of these videos the people are younger and a lot less experienced. I met a neighbor a few weeks back, they have 5 dirtbikes, an e-dirtbike, and 3 groms. I see them all the time. Dude is in his early 30s and never rode street until he picked up the groms. 2 of them are road rashed to hell. He goes down on them weekly. Its wild. But hes never taken an msf course and hes doing silly shit on them.
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u/Hood-ini 2023 ZX-10 R 4h ago
True motorcycle fact, there’s in fact just two types of riders :
- those who fell off the bike or crashed
- those who will fall off the bike or crash
Doesn’t mean that crashing is common but be aware it will happen eventually.
In 20 years of riding like a hooligan I crashed maybe 8-10 times, mostly when I wasn’t actually doing stupid stuff and a car driver was responsible for the accident. Only twice it dealt serious damage to the bike and once I had to the hospital for a broken collarbone.
Wear your gear, pay attention to your surroundings, don’t try to look good for the camera and you’ll survive your motorcycle addiction.
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u/i-e-b 6h ago
Standard internet selection bias. No-one is posting that they had no problems today.