r/pathofexile • u/srmark Márkusz - My builds: thread/1600072 • Jul 24 '26
Information 3.29 Reflecting mist data
Logged into standard league to test this first thing, used 110 mists on rings, captured the highest number from each ring, before and after using the mist
| Statistic | Value |
|---|---|
| Average | 1.4465 |
| Median | 1.4401 |
| Minimum | 1.2879 |
| Maximum | 1.5965 |
| Sample size | 110 |
| Positive/Negative | Count | Percent |
|---|---|---|
| 6/0 | 0 | 0.00% |
| 5/1 | 3 | 2.70% |
| 4/2 | 5 | 4.50% |
| 3/3 | 103 | 92.79% |
| Total | 111 |
| Original | Misted | Ratio |
|---|---|---|
| 96 | 142 | 1.4792 |
| 62 | 95 | 1.5323 |
| 43 | 66 | 1.5349 |
| 75 | 111 | 1.4800 |
| 62 | 91 | 1.4677 |
| 65 | 85 | 1.3077 |
| 91 | 129 | 1.4176 |
| 66 | 88 | 1.3333 |
| 91 | 141 | 1.5495 |
| 43 | 58 | 1.3488 |
| 66 | 87 | 1.3182 |
| 61 | 88 | 1.4426 |
| 46 | 63 | 1.3696 |
| 66 | 88 | 1.3333 |
| 46 | 61 | 1.3261 |
| 48 | 71 | 1.4792 |
| 89 | 124 | 1.3933 |
| 92 | 127 | 1.3804 |
| 157 | 246 | 1.5669 |
| 62 | 92 | 1.4839 |
| 57 | 83 | 1.4561 |
| 60 | 91 | 1.5167 |
| 53 | 81 | 1.5283 |
| 73 | 113 | 1.5479 |
| 55 | 84 | 1.5273 |
| 40 | 57 | 1.4250 |
| 39 | 54 | 1.3846 |
| 62 | 97 | 1.5645 |
| 72 | 110 | 1.5278 |
| 63 | 84 | 1.3333 |
| 61 | 79 | 1.2951 |
| 316 | 467 | 1.4778 |
| 101 | 158 | 1.5644 |
| 66 | 87 | 1.3182 |
| 63 | 100 | 1.5873 |
| 68 | 93 | 1.3676 |
| 72 | 114 | 1.5833 |
| 154 | 234 | 1.5195 |
| 39 | 59 | 1.5128 |
| 60 | 80 | 1.3333 |
| 165 | 260 | 1.5758 |
| 46 | 67 | 1.4565 |
| 40 | 60 | 1.5000 |
| 162 | 238 | 1.4691 |
| 60 | 80 | 1.3333 |
| 58 | 88 | 1.5172 |
| 68 | 95 | 1.3971 |
| 76 | 101 | 1.3289 |
| 65 | 100 | 1.5385 |
| 63 | 93 | 1.4762 |
| 76 | 118 | 1.5526 |
| 57 | 91 | 1.5965 |
| 107 | 149 | 1.3925 |
| 61 | 87 | 1.4262 |
| 56 | 85 | 1.5179 |
| 40 | 59 | 1.4750 |
| 295 | 448 | 1.5186 |
| 123 | 188 | 1.5285 |
| 57 | 78 | 1.3684 |
| 66 | 85 | 1.2879 |
| 52 | 78 | 1.5000 |
| 66 | 90 | 1.3636 |
| 67 | 92 | 1.3731 |
| 68 | 95 | 1.3971 |
| 71 | 97 | 1.3662 |
| 80 | 115 | 1.4375 |
| 76 | 107 | 1.4079 |
| 73 | 107 | 1.4658 |
| 69 | 97 | 1.4058 |
| 62 | 81 | 1.3065 |
| 62 | 89 | 1.4355 |
| 57 | 81 | 1.4211 |
| 58 | 82 | 1.4138 |
| 46 | 64 | 1.3913 |
| 62 | 85 | 1.3710 |
| 79 | 108 | 1.3671 |
| 62 | 82 | 1.3226 |
| 75 | 105 | 1.4000 |
| 72 | 111 | 1.5417 |
| 79 | 108 | 1.3671 |
| 76 | 102 | 1.3421 |
| 76 | 107 | 1.4079 |
| 164 | 223 | 1.3598 |
| 60 | 82 | 1.3667 |
| 45 | 70 | 1.5556 |
| 60 | 78 | 1.3000 |
| 61 | 84 | 1.3770 |
| 108 | 140 | 1.2963 |
| 40 | 60 | 1.5000 |
| 33 | 52 | 1.5758 |
| 75 | 110 | 1.4667 |
| 44 | 64 | 1.4545 |
| 121 | 193 | 1.5950 |
| 40 | 56 | 1.4000 |
| 60 | 91 | 1.5167 |
| 79 | 124 | 1.5696 |
| 60 | 95 | 1.5833 |
| 39 | 59 | 1.5128 |
| 62 | 98 | 1.5806 |
| 43 | 67 | 1.5581 |
| 55 | 78 | 1.4182 |
| 62 | 88 | 1.4194 |
| 43 | 68 | 1.5814 |
| 55 | 86 | 1.5636 |
| 61 | 81 | 1.3279 |
| 64 | 101 | 1.5781 |
| 55 | 72 | 1.3091 |
| 76 | 104 | 1.3684 |
| 52 | 82 | 1.5769 |
| 47 | 67 | 1.4255 |
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u/A_Pile_Of_cats MarauderEartshatter Enthusiast Jul 24 '26
Ouch, combined with the removal of synth implicits it's a real blow to the extreme aspirational items. Sad to see.
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u/YEEHA120 Jul 24 '26
So magnitudes are pretty heavy nerfed could your provide the +/- chances. Idk if u misted 5 or 6 mod how many got positive 4 or 5?
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u/srmark Márkusz - My builds: thread/1600072 Jul 24 '26
my friend who made the previous spreadsheet will collect detailed data when he has time
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u/Antonaqua Jul 25 '26
Damn, they still need to ninja nerfs things? They said they were making the average outcome worse, not halving the maximum outcome. So baffling, wish they could communicate clearly instead of sneaking nerfs.
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Jul 25 '26
Yeah, wording was veeery elusive.
Imagine they had written the actual full info. Locks would've become more expensive than mirrors for that week lol.
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u/Successful_Refuse Jul 25 '26
Yeah, I'm giga pissed. I have an old +1 frenzy manifold that I was going to try to grind locks for this league to get all positive. Doing this unannounced is mean. I think I still can get +3? If not just fml.
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
To be fair, all positive is like 1/300 (better if only 4 positive required with like an aspect craft) and x2 or better multiplier (required for +3) was another ~1/6 so that'd have been one hell of a grind league to farm 2000+ locks.
So if you want to see the bright side, you saved yourself from serious pain.
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u/Successful_Refuse Jul 25 '26
Well, now I can only grind for them and get much worse results. And what else is there really to grind for in std except perfection?
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Jul 25 '26
Ok, well if you would want it, you grind to buy it, a comparable, or a better then instead. And yes, making it yourself is no longer on the table which is why i'm really happy i succeeded on my amu. Same base as Markusz used. Hit a tri positive x2.05 multiplier.
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u/anne_dobalina Jul 24 '26
Going off this looks like no chances for +8 heist amulets any more?
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u/LukeBomber Jul 24 '26
That's a pretty heavy nerf. Feel slightly thankful. It's not even clear that triple positive is that good if there exists other good mods on your helical. I doubt double positive has that much use anymore
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Jul 24 '26
HOLY SHIT they got fucked.
Did you eventually succeed on your amu btw? Only saw empy's 420 tries on "it" (amu1+2)
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u/srmark Márkusz - My builds: thread/1600072 Jul 25 '26
-675 and no hit
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Ooooooh sheeeeet! Sorry dude, that's fucked.
You got like 3 or 4 others though, right? With crit cata
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u/lionheart832 Jul 24 '26
That isn't a nerf, it's a deletion. That's pretty bad as far as weights go
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u/OrdinaryDecision8857 Jul 25 '26
nerf synthed items ., nerf mist ,nerf end game farm . nerf nerf nerf . fun :)
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u/Designer_Throat_8125 Jul 25 '26
Removing all the aspirational stuff is really depressing ngl. Like even mirrors won't be nearly as useful as in the past. This isn't looking like a long term league at all.
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Jul 25 '26
Well, yes and no. Sure, they removed a ton of power from jewellery, both mist and mirroring, but aspirational league jewellery just changed to good doublecorrupt. If we like it or not. Personally, i don't even mind that much, league stuff has been for league only since at least sanctum league as they could never even only come close to the power of existing standard items. So they're temporary and that's ok for the majority of players.
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u/Nukro77 Jul 25 '26
I think they are nerfing this all since there is no end game farm. Making it as hard a possible to get big power
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u/RaveTheGo Juggernaut Jul 24 '26
And how do these stats differ from before the patch?
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u/srmark Márkusz - My builds: thread/1600072 Jul 24 '26
was about 1.5 to 2.1 before
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u/UTmastuh Jul 25 '26
Fairly certain I've seen 2.5 as the upper limit in the past. 1.59 is pretty much killing what made that mechanic so fun. Getting cool jewelry with really high +/- was a great idea
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u/StacksOfMana Jul 25 '26
The loot you get from the mist directly was able to roll up to 2.6, but the multiplier from using Reflecting Mist on your own item used to be 1.5 to 2.1 like he said. Seems it's down to 1.6 max now.
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Jul 25 '26
It was only in lake of kalandra (and flashback) that you could have such high multipliers (as far as i remember x2.4 on usable mist from mechanic on last perfect snake tablet and ×3 maximum for the random mist that could even give +3 amus) so that's probably what you remember. Itemized mist always was "only" x1.5-×2.1
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u/Zarvon Mine Bat Jul 25 '26
I'm only ok with this if we also get more positives. Otherwise mists are just dead
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u/Accomplished_Rip_352 Jul 25 '26
That’s sucks , I guess full mod heist rings with influence will become the new meta .
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u/Ononeemas 20d ago
I don't get it, why there are still 0 amulets on the trade with +3 lvl which are x1.5 so it should be possible ( https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Allflame/lg0e0eqkfV )
and also why there are normal amulets with +2 lvl which is reflecting mist x2 result ( https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Allflame/mk0w0kgec6 )?
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u/srmark Márkusz - My builds: thread/1600072 20d ago
each multiplier separately rounds down the result before the next one applies, you needed a legacy 2.0x multi for +2 power change on rings, then if it was on manifold then it would get to +3, but if both layers are just 1.5x then it never goes over 1
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u/One-Age-4823 16d ago
I was wondering does the orb of rememberance impart any effect on this?
Like for e.g. one orb of rememberance + 1 essence/fossil combo hit on a ring, you repeat this N number of times to get t1 mods of your choice with some memory strands left on the ring, and THEN you mist it ..?
would be more expensive and time consuming but might be worth checking out ..
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u/cuddlegoop Jul 25 '26
Good. Misted jewellery honestly sucks as a crafting mechanic. I don't have much of an opinion on whether this change to the power level of high end rare rings is good or bad. That will come after we see how it plays out, I don't like to form opinions like that without data. For now I will simply be happy my most hated crafting mechanic is getting shot.
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u/slashcuddle Jul 25 '26
TFT gets nuked, standard mirror items are relatively nerfed, reflected/synth mechanic is all but deleted, and the best items are no longer mirrorable. Maybe they are trying to remove incentives for RMT?
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Jul 25 '26
Plenty are still available though. Settlers for example have some. But the variety and total count got hit hard, yes.
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u/ChadAndStacy678 Jul 26 '26
wat do u mean best items are no longer mirrorable? can u explain more?
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u/slashcuddle Jul 26 '26
Synth implicits have either been removed or turned into Vaal implicits. So to make the best item you need to corrupt it, making mirror unusable
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u/ChadAndStacy678 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
is this bearish for mirror and bullish for hinekora? the ratio has been going down forever, first started at like over 20:1 in ancestors, was ~5:1 on standard back during keepers league, now 3:1. was 1.5:1 couple days ago before the league merge supplied a ton of hinekoras into standard, many thousands all absorbed at 3:1.
feels like demand for mirror service will decline while hinekora usage will keep going up forever.
its even worse in poe2 standard. any comments?
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u/slashcuddle Jul 26 '26
I think ancestors might have been an anomaly because that's when locks were introduced. They were also quite plentiful from the league mechanic. But yeah by the looks of those prices people haven't been as gung-ho about mirroring BiS items. Could also be the meta, some of the recent "build of the leagues" are carried by strong skill and unique combos instead of big dick bows for example.
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u/ChadAndStacy678 Jul 26 '26
its not really mirror prices are weak. the price in divine orbs has been trending sideways for over a year now, this just says the multi decade long structural bull market of mirrors is over and its fully priced now (in d's), not that mirrors are no longer being used. its more that hinekora price in d's keep going up, the direct hinekora to mirror market is secondary and the traders there look at d price for both, the d market for both is the primary market.
i thought the ridiculous hinekora price on standard during mirage was due to reflecting mist, TFT cartel keeps crafting these things and provide a perpetual bid to push prices up (TFT has ∞ mirrors and controls the entire economy so they can keep buying forever). however even AFTER the patch hit and reflecting mist was nerfed, there's STILL an endless bid from TFT cartel members on hinekoras, holding it tight at 3:1 ratio. even reflecting mist itself isn't back to mid 20s. i was expecting price to crash to over 4:1, maybe even 5:1 which is normal for standard.
judging by the comments here it would appear many people won't be buying TFT's crafted rings, but the perpetual bid from TFT is still there.
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u/MikeMaxM Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
Huge nerf. Bye bye all those cool rings. I am playing spectres and misted rings were a substantial part of my dps. No more I guess. And thank you OP for parting with 110 mists (3 mirrors) for that experiment.